今年是“民主社会主义”的元年。然而,那个最初推动了民主党变革的团体几乎没能活到2026年。
It’s the year of the democratic socialist. But the group that helped start the earthquake currently transforming the Democratic Party almost didn’t make it to 2026.
在上次选举周期中,由于大量亲以色列游说团体的资金投入,该团体遭受了重大损失;该团体原本致力于支持进步派候选人当选国会议员,如今几乎已被彻底击败(其影响力已降至最低)。
After suffering major losses last election cycle after a deluge of pro-Israel lobby spending, Justice Democrats, which supports progressive candidates getting elected to Congress, was on the verge of being written about in the past tense.
“几乎所有人都认为他们无法东山再起。我认为,包括美国以色列公共关系委员会(AIPAC)在内的许多人都将上次选举的结果视为未来趋势的预兆:亲以色列势力正在崛起,而民主党的进步派势力却在衰退。自成立以来,我们第一次没有支持任何新候选人;因为我们不得不集中精力应对AIPAC高达1亿美元的竞选资金攻击,”该团体的公关总监兼发言人乌萨马·安德拉比(Usamah Andrabi)说道。“说实话,那个时刻可以说是AIPAC势力的巅峰……”不过,该团体最终成功实现了复兴,经历了有史以来最成功的初选阶段,并为“民主社会主义”理念的传播做出了重要贡献。那么,究竟发生了什么呢?
“Everyone sort of doubted that there was a comeback to be had. I think a lot of people, AIPAC included, saw last cycle as the harbinger for what’s to come: They were on the rise, JD and the left were on the decline. For the first time ever, we didn’t endorse a new candidate since our founding, and because we had to focus on defending against $100 million in spending from AIPAC,” says communications director and spokesperson Usamah Andrabi. “The truth is, that moment was really — for lack of a better word — the apex of AIPAC’s momentum and ability.” But Justice Democrats resurrected itself, had its most successful primary season to date, and helped put democratic socialism on the map. So what changed?
该组织表示,尽管他们在竞选中花费了大量资金,但仍然取得了巨大成功——因为他们成功抓住了选民心中的不满情绪(这种不满主要针对民主党领导人)。安德拉比(Andrabi)说:“唐纳德·特朗普获胜后,我们就立刻意识到:民主党内部的领导层根本无力进行有效抵抗。而选民们真正需要的,是一个能够代表他们利益、敢于抗争的‘战斗者’。这种抗争并不只是通过发布新闻稿或撰写措辞强硬的信件来实现的;它意味着要与企业势力、AIPAC(美国以色列公共关系委员会)等机构作斗争,还要与加密货币和人工智能技术相关的利益集团作斗争。”在本周的《The Intercept Briefing》节目中,安德拉比与主持人阿凯拉·莱西(Akela Lacy)讨论了该组织如何帮助亚历山德里娅·奥卡西奥-科尔特斯(Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)、伊尔汉·奥马尔(Ilhan Omar)和拉希达·特莱布(Rashida Tlaib)等议员成功当选;他们还探讨了如何利用这些胜利成果,并从失败中吸取教训,以便在未来的政治斗争中继续发挥作用。
The group says it won big this year, even being massively outspent, because it tapped into the brewing frustration among voters — frustration directed at Democratic Party leaders. “We understood as soon as Donald Trump won that clearly the Democratic establishment was unfit to fight back, and what voters were looking for as we’ve seen throughout this cycle, is this amorphous fighter that they want,” says Andrabi. “That fight doesn’t just look like, as we say so often, press releases and strongly worded letters. It looks like fighting corporate establishment. It looks like fighting AIPAC. It looks like fighting crypto and AI.” This week on The Intercept Briefing, Andrabi speaks to host Akela Lacy about how the group that helped elect Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib has seen their candidates make impressive gains in the primaries, and how they’re planning to leverage their wins — and what they can learn from their losses — beyond November. This primary season, Justice Democrats endorsed 15 candidates; seven won, with democratic socialists knocking out three incumbents. That includes Darializa Avila Chevalier who toppled Congressional Hispanic Caucus Chair Adriano Espaillat in New York, Melat Kiros who beat Rep. Diana DeGette in Colorado, and state Rep. Donavan McKinney who took out Rep. Shri Thanedar in Michigan. Those three are all but guaranteed to head to Congress next year, along with the four other candidates who won.
在本次初选中,“正义民主党”(Justice Democrats)支持了15名候选人,其中7人最终获胜,其中3名民主党社会党人成功击败了现任议员。这些获胜者包括:达里亚利扎·阿维拉·切瓦利埃(Darializa Avila Chevalier)——她在纽约州击败了西班牙裔议员团体主席阿德里亚诺·埃斯帕亚特(Adriano Espaillat);梅拉特·基罗斯(Melat Kiros)在科罗拉多州击败了现任议员戴安娜·德盖特(Diana DeGette);以及唐纳万·麦金尼(Donavan McKinney)在密歇根州击败了现任议员什里·塔纳达尔(Shri Thanedar)。这3人以及其他4名获胜者几乎可以肯定会在明年进入国会。
“This work doesn’t happen overnight. These losses don’t happen overnight. It takes years and years to build this progress,” says Andrabi. “These candidates that we elected this cycle are giving you a blueprint on a silver platter on how to excite your base and how to energize your party. The Democratic Party can either listen to them or be forced to listen to them, as they have been this cycle when we beat them.” “Until they start taking lessons from the left on what to actually fight for, they will continue to be running on cycle-to-cycle losses and wins instead of really looking at, long-term, how can we take back power and ensure that we don’t consistently backside into this fascist and authoritarian regime that is overrun by the same corporate interests that the Democratic establishment is also funded by.” For more, Akela Lacy: Welcome to The Intercept Briefing, I’m Akela Lacy, senior politics reporter at The Intercept.
“这样的成就不可能一蹴而就;这些损失也不可能突然发生。取得这样的进步需要花费多年的时间,”安德拉比说。“我们这次选举出来的候选人已经为我们提供了具体的方案,告诉我们应该如何激发选民的热情、如何让我们的政党重新焕发生机。民主党要么选择倾听他们的建议,要么就不得不被迫倾听——就像上次我们击败他们时那样。”
Jessica Washington: I’m Jessica Washington, politics reporter at The Intercept. So, Akela, how are you doing? What’s been top of mind for you this week? AL: I am really stuck on this news that apparently hackers now have information on all FBI agents, which is crazy. Hackers claimed that they were able to breach a bunch of FBI services and steal a bunch of information about federal agents.
“除非他们开始向左翼学习应该为哪些目标而奋斗,否则他们只会继续在选举中经历失败与胜利的循环,而不会真正从长远角度思考:我们该如何夺回权力,以及如何避免再次落入那个被企业利益集团控制的法西斯主义、专制政权的掌控之中。这些企业利益集团同时也是民主党的主要资助者。”
That’s on top of another insane story that I saw on Thursday morning about yet another rogue AI agent, but this time it hacked an Australia government healthcare portal — an OpenAI agent. I don’t know if you saw that, but that really stuck with me. JW: All of these AI attacks, everything that’s come out, I keep thinking back to our interview with Karen Hao, who wrote “Empire of AI,” and how so much of the stuff that she’s warned about is now something that people are talking about in the discourse. It’s all really scary stuff, but it’s also stuff that’s kind of been reported on before, so it is interesting to see it all blow up now.
更多内容,请关注《The Intercept Briefing》节目;我是阿凯拉·莱西(Akela Lacy),《The Intercept》的资深政治记者。
JW: All of these AI attacks, everything that’s come out, I keep thinking back to our interview with Karen Hao, who wrote “Empire of AI,” and how so much of the stuff that she’s warned about is now something that people are talking about in the discourse. It’s all really scary stuff, but it’s also stuff that’s kind of been reported on before, so it is interesting to see it all blow up now.
杰西卡·华盛顿(Jessica Washington):我是杰西卡·华盛顿,《The Intercept》的政治记者。阿凯拉,最近怎么样?这周你最关注的是什么?
As someone who started in television, I have to say I cannot stop thinking about this Paramount deal. So for those who don’t know, on Monday, Paramount reached a deal to acquire Warner Bros., which would give Trump ally David Ellison control of a massive media empire, which includes both CNN and CBS News. Ellison is reportedly considering tapping Elon Musk for an investment, which would give the billionaire a stake in two of the largest news organizations in the world.
阿凯拉·莱西(Akela Lacy):我最近非常关注一则新闻:黑客似乎掌握了所有FBI特工的信息,这简直太离谱了!黑客声称他们入侵了FBI的多个系统,窃取了大量关于联邦特工的资料。
As someone who started in television, I have to say I cannot stop thinking about this Paramount deal. So for those who don’t know, on Monday, Paramount reached a deal to acquire Warner Bros., which would give Trump ally David Ellison control of a massive media empire, which includes both CNN and CBS News. Ellison is reportedly considering tapping Elon Musk for an investment, which would give the billionaire a stake in two of the largest news organizations in the world.
此外,周四早上我还看到另一个令人震惊的报道:一个由OpenAI开发的“人工智能代理”竟然黑进了澳大利亚政府的医疗保健门户网站。我不知道你是否也看到了这个新闻,但它真的让我印象深刻。
AL: This is all happening while the White House is waging a war on mainstream media outlets: CNN, Politico, and MS Now. A federal judge has temporarily blocked the White House efforts to strip those outlets of their White House press credentials. But we saw President Trump this week at the United Nations General Assembly in New York ask CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins why she was there because she wasn’t supposed to be covering him — but she wasn’t at the White House.
杰西卡·华盛顿:所有这些人工智能相关的攻击事件……我一直回想起我们之前对凯伦·郝(Karen Hao)的采访,她曾撰写过《Empire of AI》一书。她所警告的许多问题如今都成为了人们热议的话题。这些情况确实非常可怕,不过这类事件其实之前也都有过报道;现在看到它们再次成为焦点,确实挺有意思的。
So the state of our media ecosystem is healthy as ever. JW: Things are going great in our democracy. In other news, ProPublica reported that in 2024, the FBI was seeking to launch an investigation into a potential pay-to-play scheme between Sen. Susan Collins and one of her top donors, a former defense contractor who reportedly told federal agents that he had received millions in federal contracts by donating to campaigns of politicians. The investigation was reportedly halted after President Donald Trump returned to office and gutted the entire bureau.
作为一个从电视行业起步的人,我实在无法停止思考Paramount的这笔收购交易。据报道,Paramount周一与Warner Bros.达成了收购协议,这使得特朗普的盟友David Ellison控制了一个庞大的媒体帝国——这个帝国包括了CNN和CBS News。有消息称,Ellison正在考虑邀请Elon Musk进行投资,这样这位亿万富翁就能拥有全球两大新闻机构的股份。
Akela, you had a really interesting campaign finance story come out this week as well, relating to Sen. John Fetterman. What happened there?
AL:这一切都发生在白宫正在对主流媒体(如CNN、Politico和MS Now)发动攻击的时候。一位联邦法官已经暂时阻止了白宫试图剥夺这些媒体机构“白宫新闻采访资格”的企图。不过,本周在纽约举行的联合国大会上,特朗普总统竟然质问CNN记者Kaitlan Collins为何出现在那里,理由是她本不应该报道他的活动(因为她当时并不在白宫现场)。看来我们的媒体生态系统依然“健康”得很……JW:我们的民主制度运作得“非常顺利”啊。另外,ProPublica报道称:2024年,FBI曾计划调查参议员Susan Collins与她的一位主要捐赠者之间的潜在利益输送行为。这位捐赠者曾是一名国防承包商,他向联邦调查人员透露,自己通过向政治人物的竞选活动捐款获得了数百万美元的合同款项。不过据报道,这项调查在唐纳德·特朗普总统重新上任后就被终止了——因为特朗普大幅削弱了FBI的独立性。
AL: I got a text on Monday from a source who had seen an email that the Fetterman campaign sent from a domain called, “gopsquad.com.” The story we basically did was about after finding several other conservative email domains that Fetterman was using to send this campaign fundraising email after he delivered a surprise video speech to the Republican midterm convention earlier this month, was that he’s either renting or buying Republican targeted email lists to raise money right now. We’ve been covering Fetterman’s fall from grace over the past several years, but his fundraising numbers have really struggled as he has pursued this rightward turn on issues from immigration to Iran to Israel. Many of his small dollar donors, we reported in, in recent years, were asking for their money back. We see his campaign now pretty openly just asking Republicans for money. Something funny — well, funny or depressing —that happened on Wednesday, Republican Sen. Mike Lee from Utah was sending out emails fundraising off of Fetterman’s fundraising. I’ll just read you this The subject line: “I just got this email from John Fetterman.” “Friend, I just got an email from John. He’s basically a Republican now. I need your help to draft him. Sign here. Thanks, Sen. Mike Lee.” Which is pretty chef’s kiss, if you ask me. JW: I have to say: gopsquad.com is probably my favorite part. AL: Not subtle.
Akela,本周还有一则与参议员John Fetterman相关的、非常有趣的竞选资金丑闻被曝光。具体发生了什么?
JW: Not at all subtle. Is there anything else that you’re following that you want to talk about?
AL: 周一,我收到了一位消息人士提供的信息:该消息人士看到了一封来自费特曼竞选团队的电子邮件,这封邮件的发送域名是 “gopsquad.com”。我们的报道主要揭示了这样一个事实:在费特曼本月早些时候在共和党中期选举大会上发表了意外演讲后,他继续使用其他保守派相关的电子邮件域名来发送筹款邮件。这表明他目前正在通过租赁或购买针对共和党选民的电子邮件名单来筹集资金。
AL: We’re still waiting to learn the name of the ICE officer who shot a 28-year-old Venezuelan delivery driver in Austin, Texas. I spoke with sources there who said that the local district attorney’s office and the Austin Police Department are cooperating to basically get whatever information they can from HSI — the Department of Homeland Security Investigations — which apparently has not declined to give them any information, but also hasn’t given them any information yet.
过去几年里,我们一直在关注费特曼的声望是如何逐渐下滑的;尤其是在他在移民、伊朗和以色列等问题上采取保守立场后,他的筹款活动遇到了严重困难。据我们报道,近年来,他的许多小额捐款者都要求退还他们的捐款。
So we’re seeing a very similar playbook as to what we saw after the ICE shootings in Minneapolis, where local law enforcement and prosecutors are basically fighting with federal agencies to try to get any information — the bare minimum, this person’s name — out of this. The Travis County district attorney, which encompasses Austin, has apparently been in close touch with the Minneapolis prosecutor to learn how they navigated the situation.
目前,费特曼的竞选团队公然向共和党人求助以获取资金。有趣(或者说令人沮丧)的是:周三,犹他州的共和党参议员迈克·李竟然也利用费特曼的筹款活动来发送自己的筹款邮件。我给你们读一下邮件的主题行:“我刚收到约翰·费特曼发来的邮件。”邮件内容大致是:“朋友,我刚收到约翰的邮件……他现在基本上算是共和党人了;我需要你们的帮助来支持他。请在这里签名。谢谢,迈克·李参议员。”在我看来,这种行为实在是一种极不专业的做法。
I’ll remind our listeners, we interviewed Mary Moriarty, the Minneapolis prosecutor, who was working on prosecuting the ICE shootings in Minneapolis earlier in the year. JW: To your point, it’s been so many months, and there’s still not any kind of justice in those cases, and it’s hard to imagine that there will be in this most recent shooting. Thinking about ICE and the election, I’ve been reporting on groups that are trying to fight back against potential election interference. They’re planning for a ton of different scenarios, one of which includes ICE potentially coming to the polls and being there to intimidate voters of color and immigrant voters as well.
JW: 我得说:“gopsquad.com” 这个域名绝对是我最感兴趣的部分……这个域名实在太明显了(即它明显暗示了费特曼与共和党的紧密关系)。
These groups are trying to prevent that harassment, and so they’re there to monitor, to report, and to keep people safe against a terrifying new threat. Obviously, voter intimidation isn’t new. I spoke to the NAACP, who had mentioned, we’ve been fighting on this issue “for the last 117 years.” But ICE at the polls is new. What Trump has been discussing in terms of election sabotage scenarios are very new, and so these organizers are trying to use the tools they learned in the resistance to ICE movement that we saw pop up in January and February to try and keep our election safe as well.
AL: 没错,这个域名的确非常具有暗示性。还有其他值得关注的事情吗?
These groups are trying to prevent that harassment, and so they’re there to monitor, to report, and to keep people safe against a terrifying new threat. Obviously, voter intimidation isn’t new. I spoke to the NAACP, who had mentioned, we’ve been fighting on this issue “for the last 117 years.” But ICE at the polls is new. What Trump has been discussing in terms of election sabotage scenarios are very new, and so these organizers are trying to use the tools they learned in the resistance to ICE movement that we saw pop up in January and February to try and keep our election safe as well.
AL: 我们仍在等待得知那名在德克萨斯州奥斯汀开枪射杀一名28岁委内瑞拉快递员的ICE(美国移民与海关执法局)官员的姓名。我咨询了当地的相关人士,他们表示地方检察官办公室和奥斯汀警察局正在与国土安全部调查局(HSI)合作,试图获取尽可能多的信息。不过,国土安全部调查局虽然没有拒绝提供信息,但目前也尚未向他们透露任何实质性内容。
On that topic, Akela, I know you also speak with Justice Democrats communications director and spokesperson Usamah Andrabi about how progressives are preparing for the general after a really impressive sweep in the primaries. Let’s hear that conversation. AL: I speak now with Usamah Andrabi, Communications Director and Spokesperson for Justice Democrats, the group that brought us AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and many more.
我们看到的情况与明尼阿波利斯发生的 ICE 枪击事件后的情形非常相似:当地执法部门和检察官正在与联邦机构抗争,试图从这些事件中获取哪怕是最基本的信息(比如涉案人员的姓名)。负责奥斯汀地区的特拉维斯县地方检察官显然一直与明尼阿波利斯检察官保持密切联系,以了解他们是如何处理那起事件的。
Usamah, welcome to the Intercept Briefing. Usamah Andrabi: Thanks for having me. AL: I want to start by taking our listeners back to a different time. It’s 2018. The “Squad” has just been elected to office, and a fresh new crop of democratic socialists and progressives are making themselves known on Capitol Hill.
需要提醒听众的是,我们之前曾采访过明尼阿波利斯检察官玛丽·莫里亚蒂,她当年负责调查那起 ICE 枪击事件。
Think: AOC joining a sit-in to protest for a Green New Deal outside of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office. For listeners who aren’t familiar with the legacy of Justice Democrats, they have your group to thank in large part for that moment in time and for bringing us the Squad. But a lot has changed since then. How is Justice Democrats different today from in 2018, and what’s the same?
JW:正如你所说,虽然已经过去好几个月了,那些案件仍然没有得到任何公正的裁决;对于这起最新的枪击事件,我们也很难相信会有公正的结果。
Think: AOC joining a sit-in to protest for a Green New Deal outside of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office. For listeners who aren’t familiar with the legacy of Justice Democrats, they have your group to thank in large part for that moment in time and for bringing us the Squad. But a lot has changed since then. How is Justice Democrats different today from in 2018, and what’s the same?
考虑到 ICE 与选举之间的关系,我一直在报道一些致力于抵制潜在选举干扰的团体。这些团体正在为各种可能的情况制定应对计划,其中就包括 ICE 可能会出现在投票站,对有色人种选民和移民选民进行恐吓。这些团体正在努力防止这种骚扰行为的发生,他们通过监控、举报等方式来保护选民的安全,以应对这一新的威胁。显然,选民恐吓现象并不新鲜——美国全国有色人种协进会(NAACP)曾表示,他们“在过去 117 年里一直在为此问题而斗争”。不过,ICE 出现在投票站这样的情况确实是前所未有的。特朗普所提到的选举破坏计划也非常新颖;因此,这些组织正试图利用他们在今年 1 月和 2 月反抗 ICE 运动中积累的经验和手段,来确保我们的选举安全。
UA: What’s the same, first and foremost, is the commitment to the values that we had then are the same commitment we have to those values, and those are the values that we demand of the candidates we recruit, support, and endorse. Because those are the values that Democratic voters share — values that put the needs of working-class people above the needs of corporations and billionaires, and taking on lobbies like AIPAC, crypto, or AI. I think that’s a little bit of what’s changed, is what we have seen since 2018, really, is the increased appearance of more and more moneyed interest organizing against the Squad, organizing against left-wing politicians, because they are bringing working-class people into the halls of power and bringing their needs to the top of the agenda for the Democratic Party. Billionaires hate that.
关于这个话题,阿凯拉,我知道你还与民主党司法部门的发言人乌萨马·安德拉比(Usamah Andrabi)进行过交流,讨论了进步派人士如何在初选中取得令人印象深刻的成绩后为大选做准备。让我们来听听他们的对话吧。
I don’t think we would have seen the sort of organized construction of a United Democracy Project or a Democratic Majority for Israel or Jobs and Democracy PAC or Fairshake or a lot of these. But particularly the Israel lobby seems to really organize in direct response to the success of our candidates in Congress.
AL: 我现在与乌萨马·安德拉比对话,他是“正义民主党人”的传讯总监兼发言人,该组织为我们带来了AOC、伊尔汗·奥马尔、拉希达·特莱布等人。乌萨马,欢迎来到《拦截者简报》。乌萨马·安德拉比:谢谢邀请。AL: 我想从带听众回到另一个时代开始。
We had the Squad get elected in 2018. Then two years later, folks like Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush won very specifically against deeply pro-Israel politicians like Eliot Engel and [William] Lacy Clay, and they won without compromising on those values. That’s a really scary thing for the Israel lobby, who has really had a sharp control over how Democrats unconditionally support the Israeli government and military like Republicans have for decades.
那是2018年。“四人小组”刚当选就职,一批新晋的民主社会主义者和进步派正在国会山崭露头角。
What I think has happened is, we’ve had some wins, we’ve had some losses, and we’ve had to learn a lot from those losses and understand how to organize our donors better, organize funders, organize progressives, really, to coalesce more around independent candidates and broaden this network.
想想看:AOC参加静坐抗议,在时任众议院议长南希·佩洛西的办公室外呼吁“绿色新政”。
What I think has happened is, we’ve had some wins, we’ve had some losses, and we’ve had to learn a lot from those losses and understand how to organize our donors better, organize funders, organize progressives, really, to coalesce more around independent candidates and broaden this network.
对于不熟悉“正义民主党人”遗产的听众来说,很大程度上要感谢你们的组织促成了那一刻的到来,并为我们带来了“四人小组”。
I talk a lot about how I feel like in 2024, Democrats across the board suffered a lot of losses. We suffered two of our best members of Congress, Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush lost their seats. And obviously, the Democratic Party lost every single other thing they could have lost. It felt like the job was to go home, everyone was supposed to do their homework and come back stronger to fight back against this very clearly fascist agenda that was laid out for us.
但自那以后发生了很多变化。与2018年相比,“正义民主党人”今天有何不同,又有何相同之处?
I talk a lot about how I feel like in 2024, Democrats across the board suffered a lot of losses. We suffered two of our best members of Congress, Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush lost their seats. And obviously, the Democratic Party lost every single other thing they could have lost. It felt like the job was to go home, everyone was supposed to do their homework and come back stronger to fight back against this very clearly fascist agenda that was laid out for us.
UA: 首先,相同的是我们对价值观的承诺,那时的承诺与现在对这些价值观的承诺一致,这些也是我们招募、支持和背书候选人时所要求的价值观。
I talk a lot about how I feel like in 2024, Democrats across the board suffered a lot of losses. We suffered two of our best members of Congress, Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush lost their seats. And obviously, the Democratic Party lost every single other thing they could have lost. It felt like the job was to go home, everyone was supposed to do their homework and come back stronger to fight back against this very clearly fascist agenda that was laid out for us.
因为这些是民主党选民共同拥有的价值观——将工薪阶层的需求置于企业和亿万富翁的需求之上,并挑战AIPAC、加密货币或人工智能等游说集团。
The left went home. We did our homework. We organized coalitions, we built broader donor networks, and we really invested a lot in candidate recruitment at Justice Dems.
我认为这有点变化的地方,是我们自2018年以来真正看到的,越来越多的金主利益集团组织起来反对“四人小组”,反对左翼政客,因为他们将工薪阶层带入权力大厅,将他们的需求推上民主党议程的首位。亿万富翁痛恨这一点。
And it feels like the establishment came back even weaker. Despite having weeks and months and years to really prepare for what Donald Trump promised he was going to do, they came back flat-footed and continue to look as weak as possible. That’s why I think you’re seeing so many successes for the left this cycle, because we are a true balm to the ineptitude of the Democratic establishment.
我认为,如果没有我们的国会候选人取得成功,特别是以色列游说集团似乎直接针对这一成功进行了有组织的回应,我们大概率不会看到“联合民主项目”、“以色列民主多数派”、“就业与民主政治行动委员会”、“公平摇动”等组织这种有组织的建立进程。
AL: We’re going to run through some of those wins in a second; many of our listeners are already familiar with them because we’ve talked a lot about these candidates on the show. But I want to go back to this money thing before we get into that because, as you mentioned, coming off of those major losses of Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman to money from the pro-Israel lobby last cycle — I don’t think expected you all to notch as many wins as you did in the primaries this year.
2018年,“四人小组”当选国会议员。两年后,贾马尔·鲍曼和科里·布什等人分别击败了埃利奥特·恩格尔和威廉·莱西·克莱等坚定的亲以色列政客,且在相关立场上毫不妥协。这对长期以来像共和党一样牢牢控制民主党无条件支持以色列政府和军队的以色列游说集团来说,是一件非常可怕的事。
We read obituaries of Justice Democrats, right? And that outside spending, as you mentioned, still has not gone away; it’s only increased. But it still wasn’t enough to stop the candidates behind the rise of democratic socialism that everyone is talking about, who were, to your point, far outmatched in terms of spending.
我认为发生的情况是:我们经历了一些胜利,也遭遇了一些失败,我们必须从这些失败中吸取教训,学会如何更好地组织捐助者、资助者,组织进步派力量,真正围绕独立候选人凝聚共识,拓宽这张网络。
I’ll just run through the numbers quickly. You endorsed 15 candidates; seven of them won, with democratic socialists knocking out three incumbents. That includes Darializa Avila Chevalier who toppled Congressional Hispanic Caucus Chair Adriano Espaillat in New York, Melat Kiros who beat Rep. Diana DeGette in Colorado, and state Rep. Donavan McKinney who took out Rep. Shri Thanedar in Michigan. Those three are all are but guaranteed to head to Congress next year, along with the four other candidates who won. Three of your other candidates won or came in the top two slots in the California primaries, which are nonpartisan, and are headed to runoffs in November. And only five candidates lost.
我常谈到,感觉2024年民主党全线溃败。我们失去了国会中两位最优秀的议员——贾马尔·鲍曼和科里·布什。显然,民主党其他能输的选举也全输了。当时感觉任务是回家,大家本该各自做好功课,然后变得更强大,回归战场,对抗那条摆在面前、清晰可见的法西斯议程。
I’ll just run through the numbers quickly. You endorsed 15 candidates; seven of them won, with democratic socialists knocking out three incumbents. That includes Darializa Avila Chevalier who toppled Congressional Hispanic Caucus Chair Adriano Espaillat in New York, Melat Kiros who beat Rep. Diana DeGette in Colorado, and state Rep. Donavan McKinney who took out Rep. Shri Thanedar in Michigan. Those three are all are but guaranteed to head to Congress next year, along with the four other candidates who won. Three of your other candidates won or came in the top two slots in the California primaries, which are nonpartisan, and are headed to runoffs in November. And only five candidates lost.
左翼回家了。我们做了功课。我们组建联盟,建立更广泛的捐助者网络,并在“正义民主党人”组织内大力投入候选人招募工作。
So what made this cycle different?
感觉建制派回来得更虚弱了。尽管他们有数周、数月甚至数年的时间来为唐纳德·特朗普承诺要做的事情做准备,但他们却毫无准备,看起来依然弱不禁风。这就是为什么我认为本周期左翼取得了如此多胜利的原因,因为我们是对民主党建制派无能的真正良药。
UA: First and foremost, love to prove our haters wrong at all times. [Laughter] A lot of spite drives that. But also, it’s exactly that. Everyone sort of doubted that there was a comeback to be had. I think a lot of people, AIPAC included, saw last cycle as the harbinger for what’s to come: They were on the rise, JD and the left were on the decline. For the first time ever, we didn’t endorse a new candidate since our founding, and because we had to focus on defending against $100 million in spending from AIPAC.
AL:稍后我们会梳理其中一些胜利;许多听众已经熟悉这些胜利,因为我们在节目中大量讨论过这些候选人。
UA: First and foremost, love to prove our haters wrong at all times. [Laughter] A lot of spite drives that. But also, it’s exactly that. Everyone sort of doubted that there was a comeback to be had. I think a lot of people, AIPAC included, saw last cycle as the harbinger for what’s to come: They were on the rise, JD and the left were on the decline. For the first time ever, we didn’t endorse a new candidate since our founding, and because we had to focus on defending against $100 million in spending from AIPAC.
但在深入探讨之前,我想回到资金这个话题上来,因为正如你提到的,上一周期科里·布什和贾马尔·鲍曼在亲以色列游说团体的资金攻势下惨败——我不认为你们能在今年的初选中赢得如此多的胜利。
The truth is, that moment was really — for lack of a better word — the apex of AIPAC’s momentum and ability. Because on the other side of that, as we had been working for years to expose, was the toxic involvement of AIPAC in these primaries and the right-wing network of billionaires who are actually funding this.
媒体都在为“正义民主党人”写讣告,对吧?正如你提到的,那些外部支出非但没有消失,反而只增不减。但这仍不足以阻挡大家热议的那些推动民主社会主义兴起的候选人,正如你所言,他们在资金上处于绝对劣势。
It took many years for us to break down AIPAC, and it took a lot of losses to get to that point, but it was worth it. We did a lot of polling. We invested a lot of money in research to bring this message to voters.
我简要梳理一下数字。你们背书了15位候选人;其中7人获胜,民主社会主义者击败了3位现任议员。其中包括在纽约击败国会西班牙裔核心小组主席阿德里亚诺·埃斯帕耶特的达里亚莉扎·阿维拉·舍瓦利耶,在科罗拉多击败众议员戴安娜·德盖特的梅拉特·基罗斯,以及在密歇根击败众议员什里·塔内达尔的州众议员多诺万·麦金尼。这三人几乎板上钉钉明年将进入国会,连同另外4位获胜候选人。你们还有3位候选人在加利福尼亚的无党派初选中获胜或进入前两名,将于11月进入决选。只有5位候选人落败。那么,是什么让这个周期与众不同?
Cori and Jamaal’s losses unfortunately were the final nails in the coffin for a lot of people to wake up to realize how the Israel lobby really functions in our politics — paired with the fact that obviously we watched a genocide get livestreamed on our screens for years at this point, and voters began to wake up to understand: Why is it that a majority of us oppose this genocide — we support an arms embargo, we support a ceasefire — yet only a minority of left-wing politicians in Congress are responding to our demands? They understood that that was the role of the Israel lobby, spending infinite amounts of money and buying members of Congress to ensure that they would do their bidding. Even before the 2024 election, we were very clear that this cycle was going to have to be a cycle where we went back on the offense, made big bets, and fought back really hard.
UA: 首要的是,我们总是喜欢让那些诋毁我们的人闭嘴。[笑声] 很大程度上是怨气在驱使我们。但也是因为这个。大家都怀疑我们能否东山再起。我认为很多人,包括AIPAC(美国以色列公共事务委员会),都把上一个周期视为未来趋势的先兆:他们势头正劲,而JD(正义民主党人)和左翼则在衰退。自成立以来,我们首次没有背书新候选人,因为我们必须集中精力抵御来自AIPAC的1亿美元攻击性支出。
We knew we were going to have to endorse a lot more candidates, spread the board out across the country, really, to make sure that AIPAC didn’t just have two members of Congress to target but had 15 different candidates, as well as meeting where Democratic voters were at. We know no matter if Kamala won or if Donald Trump won, there was still a lot of work to do to rebuild this Democratic Party to actually represent the needs of the working class. We understood as soon as Donald Trump won that clearly the Democratic establishment was unfit to fight back.
事实是,那个时刻确实是——找不到更好的词了——AIPAC声势和能力的顶峰。因为在那之后,正如我们多年来致力揭露的那样,是AIPAC在这些初选中有毒的介入,以及真正为其提供资金的右翼亿万富翁网络。
What voters were looking for, as we’ve seen throughout this cycle, is this amorphous fighter that they want. That fight doesn’t just look like, as we say so often, press releases and strongly worded letters. It looks like fighting corporate establishment. It looks like fighting AIPAC. It looks like fighting crypto and AI.
我们花了很多年才瓦解AIPAC,付出了许多惨痛教训才走到这一步,但这值得。我们做了大量民调,投入大量资金进行研究,以便将这一信息传达给选民。
What voters were looking for, as we’ve seen throughout this cycle, is this amorphous fighter that they want. That fight doesn’t just look like, as we say so often, press releases and strongly worded letters. It looks like fighting corporate establishment. It looks like fighting AIPAC. It looks like fighting crypto and AI.
科里·布什和贾马尔·鲍曼的落选不幸成为了压垮骆驼的最后一根稻草,让许多人醒悟到以色列游说集团在我们政治中究竟是如何运作的——这与一个显而易见的事实相结合:我们已经在屏幕上目睹了多年的种族灭绝直播,选民开始醒悟并理解:为什么我们中的大多数人反对这场种族灭绝——我们支持武器禁运,支持停火——但国会中只有少数左翼政客回应我们的诉求?
For so long, even people who call themselves progressive have tried to figure out, how can we go around, under, or behind these lobbies and skirt this very particular line to avoid their wrath? We try to make it clear to everyone, even in the cycle where we lost the most we’ve ever lost, that there’s no going behind, under, or any other prepositional phrase around AIPAC or these lobbies. The only way to defeat them is to go right through them and beat them head-on.
他们意识到,这就是以色列游说集团的角色:花费无限量的金钱,收买国会议员,确保他们为其效命。即使在2024年大选之前,我们就非常清楚,这个周期必须是我们重新转入进攻、孤注一掷、奋力反击的周期。
We knew that this was an existential crisis for us. As you said, people are already reading our obituaries, and we wanted to make it clear that this work doesn’t happen overnight. These losses don’t happen overnight. It takes years and years to build this progress.
我们知道我们必须背书更多候选人,将战线铺开到全国各地,确保美国以色列公共事务委员会(AIPAC)面对的不再只是两名国会议员,而是15位不同的候选人,同时也要回应民主党选民的诉求。
The excitement that you are seeing from the Democratic electorate across the country for our candidates, it’s taken years to build, and it’s taken years of the Democratic establishment failing to actually live up to their potential and what the demands of working-class people across the country have been. AL: I want to talk about this process that you’re talking about, this iterative process of bench-building that gets lost in a lot of the horse-race analysis.
无论是哈里斯获胜还是特朗普获胜,我们都清楚:重建民主党、让其真正代表工人阶级需求,依然任重道远。特朗普一旦获胜,我们立刻意识到,民主党建制派根本无力反击。
But first, I just want to mention, we had one of your candidates, Tennessee state Rep. Justin Pearson, on the show earlier this year to talk about Republican gerrymandering efforts as part of this last-ditch plan to fight off what is expected to be big losses for Republicans in November. Pearson is running in one of the districts at the forefront of that gerrymandering fight.
正如本轮选周期所显示的,选民渴望的是一位模糊却坚定的“斗士”。这种斗争绝非我们常挂嘴边的新闻稿和措辞严厉的信函,而是直面企业建制派、直面AIPAC、直面加密货币与人工智能利益集团。
But first, I just want to mention, we had one of your candidates, Tennessee state Rep. Justin Pearson, on the show earlier this year to talk about Republican gerrymandering efforts as part of this last-ditch plan to fight off what is expected to be big losses for Republicans in November. Pearson is running in one of the districts at the forefront of that gerrymandering fight.
长期以来,甚至自称进步人士都在琢磨:如何绕过、潜入或隐匿于这些游说集团之后,小心翼翼避开他们的雷霆之怒?我们要向所有人表明——即便在我们惨败最惨的这个周期里——没有任何“绕过”、“潜入”或其他介词短语能让你避开AIPAC或这些游说集团。击败他们的唯一途径,就是正面交锋、硬碰硬地打赢他们。
Even with the momentum we’ve seen against Republicans and against the Democratic establishment, as we’re talking about, what can Democrats do in the face of this massive gerrymandering push? How do you think that could potentially affect Pearson’s race? I’ll just mention this again: Justin Pearson is running in a seat that was vacated by longtime Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen, who is the last Democratic representative in Tennessee, so this is an important race.
我们深知这是生存危机。正如你所说,人们已在为我们写讣告,我们必须明确:这项工作不可能一蹴而就,这些失败也非一日之寒,构建进步需要年复一年的积累。
UA: First and foremost, it’s doing exactly what Justin is doing, which is really not surrendering to the Republican gerrymander.
你所看到的民主党选民在全国范围内对我们候选人的热情,凝聚了多年的心血;也见证了民主党建制派多年来屡次辜负潜力、辜负全国工薪阶层的诉求。
It’s very easy for us far away in the Democratic establishment to see these sort of Republican gerrymanders and say, “All right. Well, it’s cooked. There’s no chance of us doing anything here. We can put forward our standard DCCC candidate and talk about it a little, but we’re not going to invest any resources in there.” I think that would be a failure. This is the tip of the spear of our modern civil rights movement. We are seeing the Voting Rights Act gutted in front of our face, take away the last Black-majority district in the state of Tennessee at a time when Justin J. Pearson was ostensibly going to win his Democratic primary against Steve Cohen.
AL: 我想谈谈你提到的这个过程,这种反复打磨、建立后备梯队的迭代过程,在大量的赛马式分析中往往被忽视。
It’s very easy for us far away in the Democratic establishment to see these sort of Republican gerrymanders and say, “All right. Well, it’s cooked. There’s no chance of us doing anything here. We can put forward our standard DCCC candidate and talk about it a little, but we’re not going to invest any resources in there.” I think that would be a failure. This is the tip of the spear of our modern civil rights movement. We are seeing the Voting Rights Act gutted in front of our face, take away the last Black-majority district in the state of Tennessee at a time when Justin J. Pearson was ostensibly going to win his Democratic primary against Steve Cohen.
但首先,我想提一下,今年早些时候,你的候选人之一、田纳西州众议员贾斯汀·皮尔森做客本节目,谈论共和党的选区划分努力,这是作为最后一搏计划的一部分,旨在抵御预计将在11月到来的共和党大败局。皮尔森竞选的选区正是这场反选区划分斗争的最前沿。
It’s very easy for us far away in the Democratic establishment to see these sort of Republican gerrymanders and say, “All right. Well, it’s cooked. There’s no chance of us doing anything here. We can put forward our standard DCCC candidate and talk about it a little, but we’re not going to invest any resources in there.” I think that would be a failure. This is the tip of the spear of our modern civil rights movement. We are seeing the Voting Rights Act gutted in front of our face, take away the last Black-majority district in the state of Tennessee at a time when Justin J. Pearson was ostensibly going to win his Democratic primary against Steve Cohen.
即使我们看到了针对共和党和民主党建制派的势头,正如我们所讨论的,面对这股大规模的选区划分攻势,民主党能做什么?你认为这可能会如何影响皮尔森的竞选?
When he talked about whether or not he wanted to do this, he understood no matter if he wins or loses, this is a fight worth having. It’s worth showing Democratic voters in the electorate, and the establishment more than anyone, that we can go into these Republican districts and these rural communities and not compromise on our most basic values.
我要再强调一次:贾斯汀·皮尔森竞选的席位原由长期担任民主党众议员的史蒂夫·科恩留空,他是田纳西州最后一位民主党籍联邦众议员,因此这是一场关键的竞选。
Justin has not changed the policies and agenda he was running for when he was running against Steve Cohen to what he’s running for now. He has been the leader in that state on taking on AI data centers, and he is still the leader taking them on as his Republican opponent has unleashed them on Republican areas of this district.
UA: 首要之务,就是做贾斯汀正在做的事,绝不向共和党的选区划分投降。
Justin has not changed the policies and agenda he was running for when he was running against Steve Cohen to what he’s running for now. He has been the leader in that state on taking on AI data centers, and he is still the leader taking them on as his Republican opponent has unleashed them on Republican areas of this district.
我们这些身处民主党建制派、远在天边的人,看到这种共和党的选区划分,很容易就说:“行了,这局定了。我们在这里毫无机会。我们可以推出一个标准的DCCC候选人,稍微谈谈,但我们不会投入任何资源。” 我认为那将是一种失职。这是我们现代民权运动的矛尖。我们眼睁睁看着《投票权法案》被彻底掏空,在贾斯汀·J·皮尔森本有望在民主党初选中击败史蒂夫·科恩之际,夺走了田纳西州最后一个黑人占多数的选区。
He’s uncompromised on standing up against the genocide and endless wars abroad and U.S. taxpayers funding for that, and he’s demanding Medicare for all. These are extremely popular policies, not just in the bluest districts across the country, but across the board ideologically. He is showing an example of how we don’t have to run Amy McGraths everywhere we go in these red districts to win over “red voters.” These are working-class voters who are also been shivved and fucked by the same establishment that is run by Republicans and Democrats. These are people who are getting their hospitals and schools closed down in rural communities, who are getting their ACA subsidies cut and Medicaid subsidies cut.
当他谈论是否想要这样做时,他明白无论输赢,这都是一场值得进行的斗争。这值得向选民中的民主党选民,尤其是建制派展示,我们可以进入这些共和党选区和农村社区,而不必在我们最基本的价值观上妥协。
This is a failure of the establishment of both parties. We can show that a different way is possible. Obviously, we need to fight to restore the Voting Rights Act, and we need to expand the Supreme Court and reform this court so we cannot continue just to see fights that people who are still living have fought for to be taken away in the same breath.
贾斯汀没有改变他在对阵史蒂夫·科恩时竞选的政策和议程,与他现在竞选的主张一致。他在该州带头应对人工智能数据中心的问题,并且在他的共和党对手将这些数据中心释放到该选区的共和党地区时,他仍然是带头应对它们的人。
This is a failure of the establishment of both parties. We can show that a different way is possible. Obviously, we need to fight to restore the Voting Rights Act, and we need to expand the Supreme Court and reform this court so we cannot continue just to see fights that people who are still living have fought for to be taken away in the same breath.
他在反对种族灭绝和海外无休止战争以及美国纳税人为其买单的问题上毫不妥协,并要求全民医保。这些政策极受欢迎,不仅在全国最蓝的选区,而且跨越意识形态界限都广受支持。他展示了一个榜样,证明我们不必在所有红色选区都派出艾米·麦格拉斯式的候选人来赢得“红色选民”。这些是工薪阶层选民,他们同样被由共和党和民主党共同主导的建制派背叛和搞砸了。这些人在农村社区面临医院和学校关闭,他们的《平价医疗法案》补贴和医疗补助补贴被削减。
There’s a lot of work to do. It feels really difficult to know how we can claw back some of this institutional power when our institutions are so broken and corrupt. But I think that visionary agenda and ideals are what we need to see more from the Democratic Party, rather than simply being a party that is not Republicans. That’s what these candidates have been so exciting for voters across the country about are that they, for the first time, are giving Democratic voters in a lot of these districts an affirmative positive agenda that centers their most urgent crises and actually has bold enough solutions to tackle those crises.
这是两党建制派的失败。我们可以展示另一种方式是可能的。显然,我们需要为恢复《投票权法案》而战,我们需要扩大最高法院并改革该法院,这样我们就不会继续眼睁睁看着还健在的人们为之奋斗的权利在同一口气中被剥夺。
AL: This criticism came up a lot in this cycle, and this is the kind of thing I think that often says more about the person that is saying the criticism than the people they’re actually targeting. This is often lodged against candidates on the left or candidates backed by Justice Democrats that, “OK, all this is great, congratulations on your win, but once you get to Congress you’re not actually going to be able to do anything because there aren’t enough of you yet.” What do you say to that?
还有大量工作要做。当我们的体制如此破败腐败时,要想知道如何夺回部分体制权力,感觉非常困难。但我认为,民主党更需要的是那种有远见的议程和理想,而不仅仅是一个“不是共和党”的政党。
UA: You could have said that to us nine years ago, right? That would’ve been the case. Yet one of the most popular politicians in this country is AOC, and the most popular politician is Bernie Sanders, who has these same values. So clearly there’s an appetite from the American electorate for more voters like that.
这就是为什么这些候选人让全国选民如此振奋的原因:他们首次为这些选区的民主党选民提供了一个肯定性的、积极的议程,聚焦他们最紧迫的危机,并真正拥有足够大胆的解决方案来应对这些危机。
UA: You could have said that to us nine years ago, right? That would’ve been the case. Yet one of the most popular politicians in this country is AOC, and the most popular politician is Bernie Sanders, who has these same values. So clearly there’s an appetite from the American electorate for more voters like that.
AL:这种批评在这个周期中频繁出现,我认为这往往更多地反映了提出批评者本身,而非他们攻击的对象。这种批评常针对左翼候选人或获得“正义民主党人”背书的候选人:“好吧,这些都很棒,恭喜你获胜,但一旦进入国会,你实际上什么也做不了,因为你们的人数还不够多。”你怎么回应?
People know who Ilhan Omar is, people know who Rashida Tlaib is, and it’s not simply because Fox News uses them as an attack every other week. It’s because they have been standing up and been the most courageous leaders in Congress, standing up for the values they need, not only on Palestine, but no one is louder about needing clean water in the state of Michigan than Rashida Tlaib. Ilhan Omar is the reason that the state of Minnesota has universal school lunches for children. These are leaders who have actually delivered on the promises that the Democratic Party has only hypothetically talked about.
UA:九年前你也可以对我们这么说,对吧?那时确实如此。然而,这个国家最受欢迎的政治人物之一是AOC,而最受欢迎的政治人物是伯尼·桑德斯,他们拥有相同的价值观。所以显然,美国选民渴望看到更多这样的人。
Coming off a cycle where we lost two members, it’s very easy for people to say “Well, you have no power in Congress.” Yet we are sending seven new leftists to Congress this cycle, at least. It’ll be really telling how big the hypothetical Democratic majority is in Congress, because if it is seven-member majority, then you’re starting to ask a lot more different questions of, well, now you have a block of new members of Congress who can actually sway what policy and what agenda we are fighting for in this party.
人们知道伊尔汗·奥马尔是谁,人们知道拉希达·特莱布是谁,这不仅仅是因为福克斯新闻每隔一周就拿她们当攻击靶子。这是因为她们一直挺身而出,成为国会中最勇敢的领袖,为所需的价值观发声,不仅是在巴勒斯坦问题上,在密歇根州需要清洁水源这件事上,也没有人比拉希达·特莱布呼吁得更响亮。明尼苏达州之所以为儿童提供全民免费校餐,是因为伊尔汗·奥马尔。这些领袖真正兑现了民主党只是在假设层面上谈论过的承诺。
Coming off a cycle where we lost two members, it’s very easy for people to say “Well, you have no power in Congress.” Yet we are sending seven new leftists to Congress this cycle, at least. It’ll be really telling how big the hypothetical Democratic majority is in Congress, because if it is seven-member majority, then you’re starting to ask a lot more different questions of, well, now you have a block of new members of Congress who can actually sway what policy and what agenda we are fighting for in this party. So this shit doesn’t happen over fucking night. It takes years and years and cycles to build this block in Congress. You have to bring the people with it, and it takes time to organize and convince the masses of the working class to really buy into an electoral project that has screwed them time and time again, and to have that revolutionary optimism that there’s something to be done here.
在刚刚失去两名成员的周期结束后,人们很容易说“看,你们在国会毫无权力”。然而,这一周期我们至少要送七位新左翼议员进入国会。民主党在国会假设的多数优势有多大,这将非常关键,因为如果只有七席的多数优势,那么你就得开始问完全不同的问题了:现在你们有一个新国会议员群体,他们实际上能左右我们在这个党内为之奋斗的政策和议程。
There’s a lot of promise with this new class of members who are now joining an already existing class of members. We will nearly double our size in Congress, and that’s a big deal. You can look at far smaller groups of members of Congress that have wielded much more power than the amount that we’re sending to Congress.
所以这狗屁事不是一夜之间能成的。在国会建立这个集团需要年复一年、周期复一周期的努力。你必须带着民众一起走,组织和说服广大工人阶级真正认同一个一次次坑害他们的选举项目,并怀有那种革命乐观主义——相信这里是有作为的——这都需要时间。
These leaders were elected with the mandate to challenge the Democratic establishment, and so they will have to do that. More than anything, it’s up to the Democratic establishment on how they want to respond to the clear demands of their voters. These candidates that we elected this cycle are giving you a blueprint on a silver platter on how to excite your base and how to energize your party. The Democratic Party can either listen to them or be forced to listen to them, as they have been this cycle when we beat them.
这批正在加入现有议员行列的新成员充满希望。我们在国会的规模将几乎翻倍,这是件大事。你可以看看那些规模小得多的国会议员群体,他们行使的权力远超我们即将送入国会的人数。
These leaders were elected with the mandate to challenge the Democratic establishment, and so they will have to do that. More than anything, it’s up to the Democratic establishment on how they want to respond to the clear demands of their voters. These candidates that we elected this cycle are giving you a blueprint on a silver platter on how to excite your base and how to energize your party. The Democratic Party can either listen to them or be forced to listen to them, as they have been this cycle when we beat them.
这些领导人当选的使命就是挑战民主党建制派,因此他们必须这么做。最重要的是,民主党建制派要如何回应选民明确的诉求,全看他们自己的选择。我们这届选上来的候选人,把如何激发基本盘、如何振兴党派的蓝图摆在了台面上。民主党要么听他们的,要么被迫听他们的,就像这届选举周期我们击败他们时那样。
AL: I do have to ask here, Cori Bush is the anomaly in the success stories that we’re talking about, right? What happened in that race? Why do you think that this momentum did not extend to her challenge to take back her old seat from Wesley Bell in Missouri? UA: She is not the only loss we’ve had this cycle. The first race of the cycle was Nida Allam, who had lost a really close race. AL: In North Carolina.
AL: 我必须在这里问一下,科里·布什是我们谈论的这些成功案例中的异数,对吧?那场竞选发生了什么?你认为为什么这种势头没有延伸到她在密苏里州夺回原属于她的、现由韦斯利·贝尔占据的席位的挑战中?
US: In North Carolina. We saw two races, Kat Abughazaleh and Junaid Ahmed in Illinois, lost at the hands of big money from AIPAC, crypto, and AI. Saikat Chakrabarti in Nancy Pelosi’s seat also lost the primary as well to a lot of big spending from seemingly pro-Israel donors.
UA: 她不是我们这周期唯一的失利。周期的首场竞选是尼达·阿拉姆,她在一场非常胶着的比赛中落败。AL: 在北卡罗来纳州。
The truth is, we are always going to be up against this insurmountable amount of money. To the best of our ability, we have to organize our resources and organize our people to fight back against that. But it’s also the truth that we don’t take corporate PAC money. We don’t take money from billionaires, and so our resources are limited, and we’ve grown that. We’ve grown that pool. We’ve expanded our donor network to be able to run 15 candidates and win seven races.
US: 在北卡罗来纳州。我们看到两场竞选,伊利诺伊州的卡特·阿布加扎莱和朱奈德·艾哈迈德,败给了来自AIPAC、加密货币和AI的大笔资金。在南希·佩洛西的选区参选的赛卡特·查克拉巴蒂,也因似乎是亲以色列捐赠者的大量支出而在初选中失利。
But there’s not an infinite amount of resources, and so those losses are proof that the left still also has work to do. We do need to build more resources. We do need to build better connections to ensure that champions and fighters like Cori Bush, who to me really embody the fighter that Democratic voters are talking about, can be sent back to Congress.
事实是,我们将永远面对这笔难以逾越的巨额资金。我们必须竭尽所能,组织我们的资源、组织我们的人员来反击。但事实也是,我们不接受企业政治行动委员会的钱,不接受亿万富翁的钱,所以我们的资源有限,但我们已经壮大了这笔资源。我们扩大了这个资金池。我们扩展了捐赠者网络,从而能够推出15名候选人并赢得7场胜利。
Because in the absence of them, we have useless corporate shills like Wesley Bell, who have done absolutely nothing for their community since they got to St. Louis — and it shows.
但资源并非无限,因此这些失利证明左翼仍有大量工作要做。我们确实需要构建更多资源,建立更好的联系,以确保像科里·布什这样真正体现了民主党选民心目中“斗士”形象的冠军和斗士能够重返国会。
A big part of that is a resource constraint, also, the truth is, Cori had to go up against nearly $15 million of attacks last cycle, and that’s really recent. It’s not just the money that was spent against her this cycle. You have to look at what happened last cycle, because it’s all the same attacks. They ran the same playbook all over again, and it’s effective.
因为如果没有他们,我们得到的将是像韦斯利·贝尔这样毫无用处的企业代言人,自从来到圣路易斯以来,他们为社区毫无建树——这显而易见。
When you have a 20 to 1 outspending situation, and the only thing you’re seeing on TV and mail is how much you should dislike Cori Bush, it works at a certain point. That’s why it worked last cycle. Cori is a deep proof point that the left still has some work to do to really ensure that all of our champions can get to Congress.
很大一部分原因是资源限制,事实也是,科里上一轮不得不面对近1500万美元的攻击性支出,这还是最近的事。不仅要看本轮针对她的花费,还得看上一轮发生了什么,因为攻击手段全都是一样的。他们完全照搬了同一套剧本,而且奏效了。
AL: I want to move now to some of the news of the week. This week, ICE shot yet another person in Austin, Texas: 28-year old food delivery driver Wilber Rafael Garcés Pérez from Venezuela. After he was released from the hospital he was taken to an immigration detention center with a bullet still in his back, according to him and his lawyer.
当你面临20比1的支出劣势,电视和邮件广告全都是让你讨厌科里·布什时,到了一定程度就会起作用。这就是为什么上一轮奏效了。科里是一个深刻的佐证,证明左翼仍需努力,才能真正确保我们所有的冠军都能进入国会。
If Justice Democrats candidates make it to Congress in November, what power do they have to push Democrats to do more to stop ICE from killing and terrorizing people? What can they do, particularly in a House session where we expect Democrats, if they win power to be putting a laser focus on investigating Trump’s corruption, for example?
AL:我想现在转到本周的一些新闻。本周,移民与海关执法局(ICE)在德克萨斯州奥斯汀又枪击了一人:28岁的委内瑞拉籍外卖骑手威尔伯·拉斐尔·加尔塞斯·佩雷斯。据他和他的律师称,他出院后带着仍留在背部的子弹被送进了移民拘留中心。
If Justice Democrats candidates make it to Congress in November, what power do they have to push Democrats to do more to stop ICE from killing and terrorizing people? What can they do, particularly in a House session where we expect Democrats, if they win power to be putting a laser focus on investigating Trump’s corruption, for example? UA: We should first and foremost be bold and listen to where voters are at. A majority of voters do not believe that ICE needs to exist. That’s understandable because both you and I were alive at a time when ICE didn’t exist — and yet I’m still living.
如果“正义民主党人”候选人在11月进入国会,他们有什么权力推动民主党采取更多行动,制止ICE杀害和恐吓民众?特别是在预计民主党若掌权将把调查特朗普腐败等问题作为重中之重的众议院会期中,他们能做什么?
AL: What a time. UA: What a time that was. The proof is in the pudding that we don’t need an ICE to have a “safe” America, whatever that means. But clearly the fascist governments need ICE to execute immigrants in this country and shoot down our neighbors and kidnap our families.
UA:我们首先应该大胆行动,倾听选民的心声。大多数选民不相信ICE(美国移民与海关执法局)有存在的必要。这很容易理解,因为你我都经历过ICE不存在的时代——而我至今仍然活着。AL:那是个什么时代啊。
First and foremost, we should start from pushing to abolish ICE and ending this agency for all. Delia Ramirez, one of our Justice Democrats in Congress, has been leading the charge on this, calling to abolish ICE and also to dissolve the Department of Homeland Security, [which] in many ways, is also a relic of our lifetime. It is a relic of the George W. Bush era.
UA:那是个什么美好的时代啊。事实胜于雄辩,证明我们不需要ICE也能拥有一个“安全”的美国,无论那意味着什么。但显然,法西斯政府需要ICE来处决这个国家的移民,枪杀我们的邻居,绑架我们的家庭。
First and foremost, we should start from pushing to abolish ICE and ending this agency for all. Delia Ramirez, one of our Justice Democrats in Congress, has been leading the charge on this, calling to abolish ICE and also to dissolve the Department of Homeland Security, [which] in many ways, is also a relic of our lifetime. It is a relic of the George W. Bush era.
首先,我们应该从推动废除ICE、彻底终结这个机构开始。我们的正义民主党众议员德莉亚·拉米雷兹一直在带头冲锋,呼吁废除ICE,并解散国土安全部,后者在很多方面也是我们有生之年的遗物。它是小布什时代的遗物。
I am baffled when there are Democratic leaders in this country who are so obsessed with defending an institution created by George W. fucking Bush. I remember when we didn’t like George W. Bush, and we didn’t agree with his policies. I’m not sure why the Democratic Party of 2026 should be the same as the Republican Party of 2004.
我感到困惑,为什么这个国家的民主党领袖们如此执着于捍卫一个由小布什创建的机构。我记得我们曾经不喜欢小布什,不同意他的政策。我不明白为什么2026年的民主党要和2004年的共和党保持一致。
It doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me, and I think we are always, on immigration over the last 20 years, have always been allowing the right to dictate what the agenda and our playground should be on immigration policy, on border policy, on all of these policies. And as a result, have always tried to be a diet Republican Party on immigration policy, when the most popular policies we ever put forward on immigration were things like a pathway to citizenship for DREAMers and abolishing ICE, now.
这对我来说讲不通,我认为在过去20年里,我们在移民问题上一直允许右翼决定议程,决定我们在移民政策、边境政策以及所有这些政策上的活动空间。结果,我们在移民政策上一直试图做一个“低配版共和党”,而我们提出过的最受欢迎的移民政策,却是像给“梦想生”提供入籍途径、以及现在的废除ICE这样的主张。
We have to be bold and not only end this agency, but also, as many people are talking about, prosecuting the people who were in charge of ICE and these officers who were killing folks.
我们必须大胆行动,不仅要终结这个机构,还要像许多人所呼吁的那样,起诉那些掌管ICE、杀害民众的官员和警官。
The ICE agent who was the shooter in Austin wasn’t even wearing a body cam. As if that’s enough anyway. Then there’s so many different accounts and these lies. We are living through another evolution of our criminal legal system being so extrajudicial and so outside of the bounds of what should be legally allowed that I think we have to massively reign in this agency. We cannot do it in a mealy-mouthed way that says we need to pay lip service to this right-wing propaganda, while continuing to allow our immigrant neighbors and families to be murdered and shot down in the streets while they’re trying to deliver food to your house.
在奥斯汀开枪的ICE特工甚至没有佩戴执法记录仪。就算戴了也不够用。接着出现了这么多不同的说法和谎言。我们正经历着刑事法律体系的又一次演变,它变得如此法外、如此超出法律允许的界限,我认为我们必须大幅收紧对该机构的管控。我们不能用那种含糊其辞、只会向右翼宣传表面服从的方式来做,同时还继续允许我们的移民邻居和家庭在街头被谋杀、被枪杀,而他们只是想给你送餐。
The ICE agent who was the shooter in Austin wasn’t even wearing a body cam. As if that’s enough anyway. Then there’s so many different accounts and these lies. We are living through another evolution of our criminal legal system being so extrajudicial and so outside of the bounds of what should be legally allowed that I think we have to massively reign in this agency. We cannot do it in a mealy-mouthed way that says we need to pay lip service to this right-wing propaganda, while continuing to allow our immigrant neighbors and families to be murdered and shot down in the streets while they’re trying to deliver food to your house.
AL:在奥斯汀枪击案中,特拉维斯县的地方检察官——枪击案就发生在那里,也就是奥斯汀所在地——他们仍在设法查明这名警官的姓名,正等待获取现场其他佩戴了执法记录仪的ICE警官的录像,同时也试图获取当地医院的监控录像,以查明据称受伤的那名警官去了哪里,因为他们至今仍不知其姓名。UA:但他们知道被他射杀的那个男子的名字,所以。
AL: In the Austin shooting the district attorney in Travis County, which is where the shooting happened, which is where Austin is, they are still trying to figure out the name of this officer, and they are waiting on getting footage from other ICE officers in the vicinity who had body cameras on, and they’re also trying to get footage from local hospitals to figure out where this officer who was allegedly injured went, because they do not yet know his name. UA: But they know the man who he shot’s name, so. AL: Yes. Much of the news this week centered on President Donald Trump’s attacks on the news media and his trip to New York City, where he met with Mayor Zohran Mamdani and attended the United Nations General Assembly.
AL:是的。本周大部分新闻聚焦于唐纳德·特朗普总统对新闻媒体的攻击,以及他前往纽约市的行程,在那里他会见了市长扎赫兰·马姆达尼,并出席了联合国大会。
Outside the UNGA, Jewish leaders protested Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday. Mamdani once said he would arrest Netanyahu if he came to New York, though he didn’t have the authority to do so, and the two battled publicly this week.
联大期间,犹太领袖周四在联大外抗议以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡。马姆达尼曾表示如果内塔尼亚胡来纽约他会将其逮捕,尽管他没有权力这么做,但两人本周公开交锋。
Many people praised Mamdani’s pledge to arrest Netanyahu, even though it had not really any teeth, but as an example of what we’re talking about, of just wanting Democrats to do — the kind of sentiment that has animated many voters who’ve supported Justice Democrats candidates this cycle.
许多人赞扬马姆达尼承诺逮捕内塔尼亚胡,尽管这承诺并无实质约束力,但这正如我们所讨论的,是选民希望民主党人采取行动的一个例证——这种情绪激励了许多在本周期支持“正义民主党人”候选人的选民。
Many people praised Mamdani’s pledge to arrest Netanyahu, even though it had not really any teeth, but as an example of what we’re talking about, of just wanting Democrats to do — the kind of sentiment that has animated many voters who’ve supported Justice Democrats candidates this cycle.
民主党正进入特朗普的这段跛脚鸭会期,领导层在以色列问题上仍缺乏推动实质性行动的意愿——尽管上周我们看到了一个不同寻常的拒绝:民主党高层、众议员格雷格·米克斯拒绝批准特朗普最新提议的向以色列出售价值28亿美元炸弹的交易。
Democrats are heading into this lame-duck session for Trump where there is still little appetite among leadership to do something substantive on Israel — though last week we saw an unusual refusal from top Democrat Rep. Greg Meeks to approve Trump’s latest proposed $2.8 billion sale of more bombs to Israel.
进步派阵营目前在这一问题上的策略是什么?似乎每当这类军售方案出台,都会引发一场大争论:好吧,会发生什么?每次都会有更多民主党人投反对票,或者像这次一样公开表达某种反对。但你在下届国会看到这会走向何方?
What is the strategy for the progressive bench on this issue right now? It seems like every time one of these packages comes up, there’s this big dust-up over OK, what’s going to happen? And every time, a few more Democrats either vote against it or, as in this case, voice some sort of opposition. But where do you see this going in the next Congress? UA: The writing is on the wall if even Chairman Greg Meeks is suspending some of these things. You can go to the FEC’s website to see why that is an interesting development.
UA:如果连主席格雷格·米克斯都开始暂停其中一些事项,那么墙上的字已经写得清清楚楚了。你可以去联邦选举委员会(FEC)的网站上看看,为什么这是一个有趣的发展。
AL: [Laughter] Just in terms of support that Meeks has gotten from the pro-Israel apparatus in the past is what you’re referring to, I’m assuming.
AL:[笑] 就米克斯过去从亲以色列机构获得的支持而言,我想你指的就是这个。
UA: Yes. He’s been a dear ally to the lobby historically. But I think, like we saw on the vote on the Massie amendment, for the first time a majority of Democrats are voting to say, “We’re not going to send money to Israel.” A lot of people can say, “Well, that’s just a performative vote,” all these things.
UA:是的。历史上他一直是游说集团的亲密盟友。但我认为,就像我们在马西修正案的投票中看到的那样,民主党人首次以多数票投出了“我们不给以色列送钱”这一立场。很多人会说,“那只是做做样子的表演性投票”,诸如此类。
UA: Yes. He’s been a dear ally to the lobby historically. But I think, like we saw on the vote on the Massie amendment, for the first time a majority of Democrats are voting to say, “We’re not going to send money to Israel.” A lot of people can say, “Well, that’s just a performative vote,” all these things.
听着,我在国会工作过。除非选民施压国会议员推动事情发展到这一步,否则那种表演性投票不会以这种方式发生。我们看到的正是这一点:全国各地的民主党选民如果你有以色列公共事务委员会(AIPAC)的背书,或者哪怕收了AIPAC一分钱,都会抛弃你,这也是为什么AIPAC在这个周期不得不如此大力隐瞒其资金来源。
Look, I worked in Congress. Those performative votes don’t happen in that sort of way, unless the people are pressuring members of Congress to get to this point. That’s what we’re seeing, is that you are seeing Democratic voters across the country reject you if you have an endorsement from AIPAC or you take a single dollar from AIPAC, which is why AIPAC has to hide its money so much this cycle. That’s what we’re going to see coming into this new Congress, is a real thrust of energy for the pro-Palestinian movement within Congress now that you are really doubling the amount of leaders in Congress who are unabashedly against the endless supply of military funding and resources to the Israeli government.
随着新一届国会的召开,我们将看到国会内部亲巴勒斯坦运动迎来真正的能量爆发,因为在国会中毫不掩饰反对源源不断向以色列政府提供军事资金和资源的领袖数量,现在实际上已经翻倍。
That’s what we’re going to see coming into this new Congress, is a real thrust of energy for the pro-Palestinian movement within Congress now that you are really doubling the amount of leaders in Congress who are unabashedly against the endless supply of military funding and resources to the Israeli government.
你会看到一场重振旗鼓的运动,致力于组织更多议员加入。看看《阻止轰炸》法案的联合提案人,德莉亚·拉米雷斯的武器禁运法案获得了许多议员的支持,这在上一届国会周期中是难以想象的。但这正是选举的力量,也是全国各地大规模运动的力量,它们要求领袖们真正停止源源不断的武器供应。
You have a renewed movement to really organize even more members. You can look at the co-sponsor for the Block the Bombs, Delia Ramirez’s arms embargo bill has a lot of members you would not have expected even a cycle ago to do so. But that’s the power of not only these elections, but also mass movements across the country demanding that their leaders actually stop the endless supply of weapons.
在下一届国会中,绝对将不得不展开一场斗争,要求停止向以色列政府和军队提供资金,而民主党选民站在我们这边。这可能是一场不得不向党魁发起挑战的斗争,因为显然党魁历来更倾向于为以色列军队和政府提供资金。
There will absolutely have to be a fight in Congress for this next Congress to say we need to stop funding the Israeli government and military, and the Democratic voters are behind us. That might be a fight that has to challenge leadership on that fight, because obviously leadership has historically been more aligned with funding the Israeli military and government.
但在某个时刻,他们也必须看清墙上的字迹。他们开始意识到了这一点。如果民主党掌握多数席位,将有许多机会向选民表明我们听到了他们的声音,我们也不认为你们的税款应该用于资助一场他妈的种族灭绝三四五年,更不用说此前已经资助了数十年的种族隔离制度。
But at a certain point they have to also see the writing on the wall. They are beginning to see that. There’s a lot of opportunities with a Democratic majority to show voters that we are hearing them, that we also don’t think your tax dollars should fund a fucking genocide for three to four to five years after also already funding decades of apartheid.
我们下一步必须推动的方向,不仅是立即终止资助,更要确保我们永不再向这支军队和政府提供资金,并真正推动一种解决方案,终结以色列在巴勒斯坦人身上实施的种族隔离国家,真正建立一个人人享有平等权利和尊严的地方,而这在目前显然是不存在的。
That’s where we have to move next is not only ending funding right now, but ensuring that we never fund this military and government, and actually push towards a solution where we can end the apartheid state that Israel is running over the Palestinian people, and actually have a place where everyone has equal rights and dignity, which currently does not exist, obviously.
AL:你提到过你曾在国会工作,这让我想起了2018年左右初次见面的美好时光,当时你正为当时的国会进步核心小组联合主席、众议员马克·波坎工作。从那时起,我们一直在进行同一场关于民主党未来走向的斗争对话。
AL: You mentioned that you used to work in Congress, and I’m taken back to the fond days when I first met you around circa 2018 when you were working for then Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Rep. Mark Pocan. And since that time, we have been having this same conversation about the fight over the future of the Democratic Party.
你认为哈基姆·杰弗里斯和查克·舒默,以及更广泛的党领导层,是在契合还是阻碍你对未来的愿景?顺着这个话题,我想问一下,最近有很多讨论关于“正义民主党”提名的候选人将在2027年支持哈基姆·杰弗里斯担任议长的问题上站在何处?你们正在进行什么样的对话?你认为这场对话将走向何方?
Where do you see Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, and party leadership more broadly, either fitting into or obstructing your vision for the future? In that vein, I’m curious there’s been a lot of talk about where will Justice Democrats’ candidates land on, supporting a Speaker Hakeem Jeffries in 2027? What conversations are you having around that? Where do you see this conversation going?
UA:看吧,企业建制派永远会成为进步变革和满足工人阶级需求的障碍。这一点,他们已经证明了。他们已经说得很清楚了。他们在公开记录中已经表态了。
UA: Look, the corporate establishment will always be a barrier to progressive change and delivering for the needs of the working class. That, they have proven. They have made it clear. They have said it on the record.
这不是我的感受,是他们的感受。这些选举、这些竞选已经证明,他们站在民主党选民的对立面,而且他们一如既往地处于少数派地位。但对于领导层的人来说,看到克莱尔·瓦尔德兹、佐兰和达里亚利扎这样的人在纽约成为领袖,这确实令人大开眼界——就在你的后院,说的就是查克·舒默和哈基姆·杰弗里斯,他们显然分别在参议院和众议院代表纽约。
These are not my feelings. They’re theirs. These elections, these campaigns, have proven that they are on the wrong side of the Democratic Party electorate, and they are in the minority, as they always have been. But it’s really eye-opening for people in leadership to have races like people like Claire Valdez, and Zohran, and Darializa become these leaders in New York, in your backyard, speaking of both Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, who obviously represent New York in the Senate and the House.
这还远未结束。尽管人们想说每个城市都不是纽约——好吧,纽约不是费城,不是丹佛,不是达拉斯,不是加利福尼亚,不是田纳西。让我们他妈的面对现实吧。这正在全国范围内发生。全国各地都有一批领袖,他们真正在回应工人阶级的需求。
It doesn’t stop there. As much as people want to say every city is not New York — well New York is not Philly, is not Denver, is not Dallas, is not California, is not Tennessee. Let’s be fucking for real. This is happening across the country. There is a bloc of leaders across the country who are actually responding to the needs of the working class.
正如我所说,他们当选是基于挑战民主党建制派的授权。他们将推动民主党满足选民需求,无论是推行全民医保、对以色列实施武器禁运、叫停人工智能数据中心,还是对亿万富翁增税。这些都是广受欢迎的政策,民主党本可以在其中发挥领导作用。
Like I said, they got elected on a mandate to challenge the Democratic establishment. They will be pushing this Democratic Party to meet the needs of voters, be it pushing for Medicare for All, or an arms embargo on Israel, or a stop to AI data centers, or raising taxes on billionaires. All universally popular fucking policies that the Democratic Party could lead on.
这一问题常被框架化为:左派进入国会后会怎么做?他们将如何应对这些体制?我们应该更多地向哈基姆·杰弗里斯、查克·舒默及其他人提问:既然你们的选民明确表明你们没有为他们想要的政策而战,你们打算怎么办?
So often this question has been framed as, what will the left do when they get to Congress? How will they deal with these sorts of institutions? We should be asking Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and everyone else that question far more, which is: What are you going to do about the fact that your electorate is making clear that you are not fighting for the policies they are looking for?
当你曾连任几届联合提案人却出来反对全民医保时,你已处于民主党选民的少数派。我敢打赌,在你的选区,同意你观点的选民恐怕只有5%左右。民主党领导层有责任觉醒,决定在这些议题上站在何处、如何领导本党,因为他们想做单届众议院多数党吗?
So often this question has been framed as, what will the left do when they get to Congress? How will they deal with these sorts of institutions? We should be asking Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and everyone else that question far more, which is: What are you going to do about the fact that your electorate is making clear that you are not fighting for the policies they are looking for?
他们之所以能赢回多数席位,很大程度上是因为共和党在失败,而左派向选民展示了一个真正的反对党和执政党的模样。建制派没有做到这一点。除非他们开始向左派学习到底该为何而战,否则他们将继续在周期性的得失中循环,而非从长远考量:如何夺回权力,并确保我们不持续滑向由同样资助民主党建制派的企业利益主导的法西斯和威权政权。
When you come out to say you oppose Medicare for All after being a co-sponsor for it for a few cycles, you are in the minority of Democratic voters. I promise in your district particularly I imagine maybe, what, 5 percent of voters agree with you. It’s incumbent upon Democratic leadership to wake up and decide where they want to be on these issues and how they want to lead this party, because do they want to be a one-term House majority?
我们绝对在关注这批新晋领袖加入现有的进步派阵营,以真正形成可观的影响力,将民众的力量带入国会大厦,并利用他们协同一致的“扩音器”,以多种方式将民众迫切需要关注的议题曝光。
They can win back the majority a lot because Republicans are failing and because the left is showing voters what an opposition party could actually look like and what a governing party could actually look like. The establishment is not doing that. Until they start taking lessons from the left on what to actually fight for, they will continue to be running on cycle-to-cycle losses and wins instead of really looking at, long-term, how can we take back power and ensure that we don’t consistently backside into this fascist and authoritarian regime that is overrun by the same corporate interests that the Democratic establishment is also funded by.
因为即使我们夺回众议院多数席位,唐纳德·特朗普依然是总统,即使我们夺回参议院也是如此。他可以否决任何法案,这是现实,但这不应阻止我们向民众展示:如果我们掌权,能够做成什么。
They can win back the majority a lot because Republicans are failing and because the left is showing voters what an opposition party could actually look like and what a governing party could actually look like. The establishment is not doing that. Until they start taking lessons from the left on what to actually fight for, they will continue to be running on cycle-to-cycle losses and wins instead of really looking at, long-term, how can we take back power and ensure that we don’t consistently backside into this fascist and authoritarian regime that is overrun by the same corporate interests that the Democratic establishment is also funded by.
如果我们掌权所能做的,仅仅是把时钟拨回特朗普上台前的样子,那便不够了——而我看着民主党领导层的部分议程,就是“废除这个,恢复那个”。三年、两年、五年、七年、八年前,随便挑个他妈的年份,那个现状对工薪阶层来说根本不够好,那我们为什么要回到那个现状?
We absolutely are looking at this new crop of leaders joining this already existing group of progressives to really have a sizable influence in bringing the people’s power to the halls of Congress more than anything, and using their coordinated megaphones in many ways to bring light to the issues that people need them to.
显然,我们需要废除所有这些倒行逆施,挽回特朗普政府造成的破坏,但这显然还远远不够。我们需要全民医保。我们需要人人有房住。我们需要让亿万富翁缴纳应有的税份。我们需要阻止他妈的AI数据中心毁坏每一个社区,推高我们的水电费,污染我们的水源。我们面临一系列危机。含糊不清、不痛不痒的方案,不是民主党选民想要的。
Because even if we take back the House majority, Donald Trump is still president, even if we take the Senate back. He can veto any bill, and that’s a reality, but that should not stop us from showing people what we could do if we had power. And what we could do if we had power should not simply look like turning back the clock to what it looked like before Donald Trump, which is what some of the agenda I’m seeing from Democratic leadership is, let’s roll back this. Let’s get this back. The status quo three, two, five, seven, eight, pick a fucking year, was not good enough for working-class people, so why would we go back to that?
他们已经表达得非常清楚,无论你如何通过渲染“社会主义”恐惧或制造“红色恐慌”来恐吓,事实是:选民支持这些政策,因为这些政策支持选民。
And what we could do if we had power should not simply look like turning back the clock to what it looked like before Donald Trump, which is what some of the agenda I’m seeing from Democratic leadership is, let’s roll back this. Let’s get this back. The status quo three, two, five, seven, eight, pick a fucking year, was not good enough for working-class people, so why would we go back to that?
AL:如果要选年份,我选2004年。[笑声] 我觉得你抓住了重点。今天就聊到这里,乌萨马。非常感谢你参加《The Intercept Briefing》节目。UA:谢谢,阿凯拉。
Obviously, we need to roll back all these attacks. We need to claw back the destruction that the Trump administration has done, but that’s obviously also not enough. We need universal healthcare. We need housing for all. We need to make billionaires pay their fair share. We need to stop fucking AI data centers from destroying every community, and raising our utility bills and poisoning our water. There are a litany of crises that we are facing. Mealy-mouthed solutions are not what Democratic voters are looking for.
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Obviously, we need to roll back all these attacks. We need to claw back the destruction that the Trump administration has done, but that’s obviously also not enough. We need universal healthcare. We need housing for all. We need to make billionaires pay their fair share. We need to stop fucking AI data centers from destroying every community, and raising our utility bills and poisoning our water. There are a litany of crises that we are facing. Mealy-mouthed solutions are not what Democratic voters are looking for.
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