外交部长苏杰生表示，要求各国在金砖国家合作机制和联合国等组织之间作出选择是一种“虚假的选择”，他强调，规模较小的集团支持联合国，并希望推动联合国改革。他说，联合国虽然存在不足，但也有重大成就，不应被全盘否定。周四，苏杰生在纽约举行的第81届联合国大会期间参加一场讨论时表示，金砖国家合作机制与联合国不应被视为彼此对立。
External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar has said it is "a false choice" to ask countries to choose between groupings such as BRICS and the United Nations, stressing that smaller groups support the UN and want it to be reformed. He said the UN has shortcomings but also major achievements, and should not be dismissed. Speaking at a discussion on the sidelines of the 81st session of the UN General Assembly in New York on Thursday, Jaishankar said BRICS and the UN should not be seen in opposition to each other.
他说，金砖国家合作机制支持联合国，其许多成员希望推动这个全球性机构的改革。在观察家研究基金会、信实基金会、联合国驻印度机构和印度常驻联合国代表团举办的一场题为“断裂与壁垒：为一个变化中的世界架起桥梁”的讨论会上，苏杰生说：“联合国就是联合国。它可能有许多不足，也有许多成就。显然，当你想改革它、改变它时，自然会关注它的不足。但我认为，这不应导致我们全盘否定联合国。”
He said BRICS supports the UN and that many of its members want to push reform of the global body. Addressing a session titled 'Ruptures & Ramparts: Building Bridges for a Changing World', organised by the Observer Research Foundation, Reliance Foundation, UN in India and the Permanent Mission of India to the UN, Jaishankar said, "The UN is the UN. It may have many shortcomings. It also has many achievements, and obviously, when you want to reform it, when you want to change it, it's natural to focus on the shortcomings.
他还说：“说到底，如果没有联合国，我们大家都会坐在这里，试图重新发明一个。”这场讨论由观察家研究基金会主席萨米尔·萨兰主持，与会者包括牙买加外长卡米娜·约翰逊·史密斯、苏里南外长梅尔文·布瓦、加纳外长塞缪尔·奥库德佐托·阿布拉克瓦，以及东西方中心总裁兼首席执行官塞莱斯蒂·康纳斯。谈及印度于9月12日至13日主办的金砖国家领导人峰会，苏杰生表示：“金砖国家合作机制的一点共识是，联合国是国际体系的核心。”
But I don't think that should lead us to be dismissive of the UN." He added, "At the end of the day, if there wasn't a UN, we'd all be sitting here trying to invent one." The session was moderated by ORF President Samir Saran and included Jamaica's Foreign Minister Kamina Johnson Smith, Suriname Foreign Minister Melvin Bouva, Ghana Foreign Minister Samuel Okudzeto Ablakwa and East-West Center President and Chief Executive Celeste Connors. Referring to the BRICS Leaders' Summit that India hosted on September 12 and 13, Jaishankar said, "One of the points in the BRICS is that the UN is central to the international system."
他还说：“因此，并非要在金砖国家合作机制和联合国之间作出选择。金砖国家合作机制支持联合国，其中许多成员希望改革联合国，只是各成员的诉求程度不同。”他说，金砖国家合作机制所强调的议题，包括韧性、可持续性、创新与合作，也都是联合国的关键议题。
He added, "So it's not BRICS or the UN. The BRICS is supportive of the UN and a large part of the BRICS would like to reform the UN, some more than others." He said the issues highlighted by BRICS, including resilience, sustainability, innovation and cooperation, are also key issues for the UN.
“当我们身在纽约高级别周会议现场，距离联合国总部只有几公里时，我会思考这样一个问题：金砖国家做了什么来加强联合国、推动联合国改革？我认为，它确实从一定程度上推动了这一进程。这表明了一种自下而上的压力。”他说。
"When we sit here at the high-level week in New York, a few kilometres away from the UN headquarters, I would look at it like what did the BRICS do to strengthen the UN and strengthen the cause of UN reform. I think it nudged it a little bit stronger. It indicated a certain pressure from bottom up," he said.
贾伊尚卡尔还表示，金砖国家常常受到“非常耐人寻味的报道”，并称“主流媒体”通常对这一机制不屑一顾，直到它即将举行会议时，媒体才会对有关动向“有些紧张起来”。他说，金砖国家扩大成员规模、突破巴西、俄罗斯、印度、中国和南非五国框架时，才迎来真正的考验。“我们的成员数量翻了一番，但请相信，我们原本完全可以将其扩大到四五倍。各国对此存在巨大需求。”
Jaishankar also said BRICS often gets "very interesting press", adding that the "mainstream press" is usually dismissive of the grouping until it meets, after which it gets "a bit worked up about it". He said the "true test" of BRICS came when it expanded beyond Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. "We doubled our numbers, but believe me, we could have easily gone up four or five times. There was a huge demand from countries," he said, describing BRICS as a platform for "alternative thinking".
他将金砖国家称为“替代性思维”的平台。他说，金砖国家是一个非西方平台，成员横跨多个大洲，将它们凝聚在一起的是一种认识：存在重要的非西方观点、贡献和信念，需要得到认真考虑。他补充说，非西方在全球话语体系中的分量日益加重，这正是金砖国家日益重要的原因。该机制包括巴西、中国、埃及、 Ethiopia、印度、印度尼西亚、伊朗、俄罗斯、沙特阿拉伯、南非和阿拉伯联合酋长国。
He said BRICS is a non-Western platform, with members spanning multiple continents, and that what brings them together is "the sense that there are strong non-Western viewpoints and contributions and beliefs which need to be taken into account". He added that the non-Western part of the global debate is growing in weight, which is why BRICS is becoming more significant. The grouping includes Brazil, China, Egypt, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa and the United Arab Emirates.
当被要求在利益、信任和价值观之间作出选择时，贾伊尚卡尔表示，他会努力三者兼得，但他补充说，信任已成为外交中更占主导地位的理念。他说，“价值观往往只被宣扬，却得不到践行”，而信任是靠积累赢得的。“信任是以过往记录为基础的，是可以验证的。如果你做了一件好事，一件你知道自己有助于他人的事，人们会记住它。如果你的行为恶劣，人们同样会记住。”他说。
When asked to choose between interest, trust or value, Jaishankar said he would try to get the best out of all three, but added that trust has become a more dominant idea in diplomacy. "Values are often preached and not practiced" but trust is earned, he said. "Trust is record based. It is empirical. If you've done something good, something you know contributive, people remember it. If you have behaved badly, people remember that too," he said.
贾尚卡尔在总结发言时表示，联合国仍然是国际体系的核心，而金砖国家等平台则反映了国际社会对更广泛代表性、改革以及提升非西方国家话语权的日益增长的需求。含PTI供稿——完
Summing up his remarks, Jaishankar said the UN remains central to the international system, while platforms such as BRICS reflect growing demand for wider representation, reform and greater weight for non-Western voices. With PTI Inputs- Ends