联合国——正当乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基警告俄罗斯可能将战争扩大到乌克兰境外时，芬兰总统亚历山大·斯图布却表现得明显冷静得多。他表示芬兰已为莫斯科做好了准备，并称赞唐纳德·特朗普总统在推动通过谈判结束战争方面付出了更大的努力。
UNITED NATIONS — As Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warns that Russia could take its war beyond Ukraine, Finnish President Alexander Stubb is striking a markedly calmer tone — saying Finland is prepared for Moscow and crediting President Donald Trump with pushing harder for a negotiated end to the war.
“我认为我们现在的处境肯定比特朗普总统开始介入之前要好，”斯图布在纽约联合国大会期间接受福克斯新闻数字频道（Fox News Digital）的视频采访时说道。“在过去的一年半里，他加大了力度，试图通过史蒂夫·威特科夫（Steve Witkoff）、贾里德·库什纳（Jared Kushner）等许多谈判代表来寻求和平解决方案。”一直密切参与外交努力的斯图布表示，他和挪威首相主要在“幕后”工作，在乌克兰、美国和欧洲各国政府之间传递信息。
"I think we're certainly in a better place than we were before President Trump started," Stubb told Fox News Digital in an on-camera interview on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York. "He's doubled down in the past year and a half to try to find a solution for peace with negotiators such as Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner and many others." Stubb, who has been closely involved in the diplomatic effort, said he and Norway’s prime minister have worked largely "in the back office," relaying information among Ukraine, the United States and European governments. KUSHNER, WITKOFF SET FOR KYIV TALKS AFTER PUTIN MEETING IN US PUSH FOR PEACE "I think he's really working hard and hopefully we'll get a solution," Stubb said.
库什纳和威特科夫在与普京会面后准备前往基辅进行和平谈判。“我认为他确实在努力工作，希望我们能找到一个解决方案，”斯图布说。
The interview came during an intense diplomatic week in New York focused heavily on the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East.
这次采访是在纽约一个密集的外交周期间进行的，该周的重点主要集中在乌克兰和中东的战争上。
Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met in New York during UNGA week as Washington continued its effort to revive negotiations with Moscow. Zelenskyy said peace remained Ukraine's priority and thanked Trump for sending the two envoys to Kyiv after they had also held talks in Moscow.
特朗普和乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基在联大周期间在纽约会面，当时华盛顿正继续努力重启与莫斯科的谈判。泽连斯基表示，和平仍然是乌克兰的首要任务，并感谢特朗普在两位特使与莫斯科举行会谈后将他们派往基辅。
Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met in New York during UNGA week as Washington continued its effort to revive negotiations with Moscow. Zelenskyy said peace remained Ukraine's priority and thanked Trump for sending the two envoys to Kyiv after they had also held talks in Moscow. Zelenskyy was asked by Fox News Digital after the meeting about the possibility that Russia could invade or attack another European country in the near future.
会面后，福克斯新闻数字频道询问泽连斯基关于俄罗斯在不久的将来入侵或攻击其他欧洲国家的可能性。
BATTLE-TESTED ZELENSKYY SOUNDS CHILLING ALARM ON WHERE PUTIN’S WAR COULD HEAD NEXT "That's why the risk of offensive by drones, missiles or land operation is very high against other countries who are bordering Russia or Belarus," Zelenskyy said.
久经沙场的泽连斯基对普京战争的下一步走向发出了令人不寒而栗的警告。“这就是为什么对于那些与俄罗斯或白俄罗斯接壤的国家来说，遭受无人机、导弹或地面行动攻击的风险非常高，”泽连斯基说。
BATTLE-TESTED ZELENSKYY SOUNDS CHILLING ALARM ON WHERE PUTIN’S WAR COULD HEAD NEXT "That's why the risk of offensive by drones, missiles or land operation is very high against other countries who are bordering Russia or Belarus," Zelenskyy said.
乌克兰领导人认为，俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京无法在乌克兰实现其军事目标，可能会试图在欧洲其他地区制造不稳定，以迫使西方政府减少对基辅的支持。他指出，无人机入侵和针对多个欧洲国家的干扰事件表明，莫斯科已经在试图恐吓欧洲社会并测试其反应。
The Ukrainian leader argued that Russian President Vladimir Putin, unable to achieve his military objectives in Ukraine, could seek to create instability elsewhere in Europe to pressure Western governments into reducing their support for Kyiv. He pointed to drone incursions and disruptions affecting several European countries, arguing that Moscow is already attempting to intimidate European societies and test their response.
当福克斯新闻数字版询问欧洲国家应如何应对日益增长的威胁时，泽连斯基给出了直接的回答。
Asked by Fox News Digital what European countries should do in response to the growing threat, Zelenskyy offered a direct answer.
“回应。永远要回应。这不仅仅是关于战争。如果你不回应，俄罗斯人就会走得更远，”他说。
"Respond. Always respond. It's not about the war. If you don't respond, Russians, they will go further," he said.
但当被问及泽连斯基关于俄罗斯最终可能攻击包括芬兰在内的其他欧洲国家的警告时，斯图布（Stubb）的语气明显更为冷静。芬兰与俄罗斯拥有最长的共同边界。
But Stubb struck a notably calmer tone when asked about Zelenskyy’s warnings that Russia could eventually attack other European countries, including Finland, which shares the longest border with Russia.
“作为芬兰的总司令，我掌握所有相关信息，但我看不到任何事实依据，”斯图布说。
"As commander-in-chief in Finland, I sit on all the relevant information and I just don't see a factual basis for it," Stubb said.
俄罗斯的阴影战争让欧洲如坐针毡，德国正面对日益增长的威胁。他强调，这并不意味着莫斯科已经停止将欧洲作为目标。
RUSSIA'S SHADOW WAR IS PUTTING EUROPE ON EDGE AS GERMANY CONFRONTS A GROWING THREAT That does not mean, he stressed, that Moscow has stopped targeting Europe.
斯图布区分了俄罗斯在乌克兰进行的“动能”战争和他所描述的在欧洲更广泛的“混合”行动，并指出了网络攻击、破坏活动以及波罗的海海底电缆的受损情况。
Stubb distinguished between the "kinetic" war Russia is fighting in Ukraine and what he described as a broader "hybrid" campaign in Europe, pointing to cyberattacks, sabotage and damage to undersea cables in the Baltic Sea.
“我们必须将其视为一场行动，”他说。“俄罗斯试图恐吓欧洲，吓唬我们，并动摇我们的心理。”
"We have to see this as a campaign," he said. "Russia tries to intimidate Europe, scare us and get into our heads."
他的建议颇具芬兰特色：“保持冷静、镇定和沉着，去蒸个桑拿，洗个舒服的澡，然后处理它。”斯图布表示，芬兰作为一个拥有560万人口的国家，之所以能够保持这种态度，正是因为它几十年来一直在为来自东部邻国的潜在威胁做准备。“我们之所以冷静，是因为我们做好了准备，”他说。
His prescription was characteristically Finnish: "cool, calm and collected, take a sauna and a nice bath and deal with it." Stubb said Finland, a country with a population of 5.6 million, can afford that attitude precisely because it has spent decades preparing for a potential threat from its eastern neighbor. "We are calm because we are prepared," he said.
他指出了芬兰的义务兵役制、预备役部队、火炮、远程作战能力以及广泛的民用避难所网络。芬兰国防军将芬兰的战时军事力量定为28万人，如有需要，还可动员更多预备役人员。
He pointed to Finland’s mandatory military service, reserve force, artillery, long-range capabilities and extensive network of civilian shelters. The Finnish Defence Forces puts Finland’s wartime military strength at 280,000 personnel, with additional reservists available if needed.
就在斯图布前往纽约的前几天，这种威慑力又得到了进一步加强。芬兰政府宣布了一项采购决定，将购买64架F-35A战斗机，以取代现有的F/A-18“大黄蜂”机队。
That deterrent received another boost just days before Stubb traveled to New York. Finland is acquiring 64 F-35A fighter jets to replace its F/A-18 Hornet fleet under a procurement decision announced by the Finnish government.
据芬兰国防军发布的新闻稿显示，首批两架计划在芬兰境内执行任务的F-35战斗机已于9月18日抵达罗瓦涅米的拉普兰空军联队。
The first two F-35s intended for operations inside Finland arrived at the Lapland Air Wing in Rovaniemi on Sept. 18, according to a Finnish Defence Forces press release.
“我们实行义务兵役制。我服过兵役，我儿子也服过。还有女性自愿参军。我们拥有60多架F-18战斗机。我们刚刚购买了64架F-35，其中前两架已经抵达。我们拥有远程导弹，涵盖海、陆、空领域。在冲突情况下，我们有能力在几天内动员28万名士兵。除此之外，我们还有地雷。我们与波兰一起拥有欧洲最强大的炮兵力量……不仅如此，在560万人口中，我们为超过440万人提供了民用避难所。”
"We have obligatory military service. I did mine, my son did his. We have women who do it voluntarily. We have over 60 F-18s. We just bought 64 F-35s, the two first of which arrived. We have long-range missiles, air, land and sea. We have the capability to mobilize 280,000 troops within days in a conflictual situation. On top of that, we have land mines. And we have the biggest artillery in Europe together with Poland… On top of that, we have civilian shelters for over 4.4 million people out of 5.6."
芬兰议会投票解除实施数十年的核武器禁令，实现历史性的北约防务转型。“我们拥有这些装备并不是因为担心瑞典，”斯图布在谈到芬兰的军事能力时开玩笑说，“我们拥有这些是因为我们看到了来自俄罗斯的安全威胁。”他表示，这种准备程度，加上芬兰的北约成员国身份，使得俄罗斯直接发动攻击的可能性变得很小。在俄罗斯全面入侵乌克兰后，芬兰放弃了长期以来的军事不结盟政策，于2023年4月4日正式成为北约第31个成员国。
FINLAND'S PARLIAMENT VOTES TO LIFT DECADES-OLD BAN ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN HISTORIC NATO DEFENSE SHIFT "We don't have them because we're worried about Sweden," Stubb joked of Finland’s military capabilities. "We have them because we see a security threat coming from Russia." He said that level of preparedness, combined with Finland’s NATO membership, makes a direct Russian attack unlikely. Finland became NATO's 31st member on April 4, 2023, after abandoning its longstanding military non-alignment following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
“我们认为自己已做好充分准备，这构成了足够强大的威慑力，使我们相信俄罗斯不会试探芬兰这样的国家，”斯图布表示。“当然，锦上添花的是，我们现在已成为北约联盟的安全提供者。”
"We feel that we're very prepared, and that gives us a strong enough … deterrent that we don't believe that Russia is going to test a country like Finland," Stubb said. "And of course the icing on the cake is that we are now security providers in the Alliance NATO."
斯图布还在9月22日联合国大会的演讲中呼吁继续支持基辅，称支持乌克兰的“意愿联盟”“尤其令我感同身受”。他表示，该联盟正致力于“根据《联合国宪章》在乌克兰实现公正且持久的和平”。在联大会议周期间，斯图布就乌克兰问题再次引发关注，他敦促太空探索技术公司（SpaceX）老板埃隆·马斯克扩大星链（Starlink）的覆盖范围，以便乌克兰军队能够在包含俄罗斯弹道导弹发射器的区域使用卫星网络，包括俄罗斯境内。他辩称，这样做有助于乌克兰打击向乌克兰城市发射导弹的发射器。
Stubb also used his Sept. 22 address to the U.N. General Assembly to advocate for continued support for Kyiv, calling the "Coalition of the Willing" supporting Ukraine "particularly close to my heart." He said the coalition was working toward a "just and lasting peace in Ukraine in accordance with the U.N. Charter." Stubb made additional news on Ukraine during UNGA week, when he urged SpaceX owner Elon Musk to extend Starlink coverage so Ukrainian forces could use the satellite network in areas containing Russian ballistic missile launchers, including inside Russia. He argued that doing so could help Ukraine target launchers firing missiles at Ukrainian cities.
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当被问及特朗普在联合国呼吁各国支持阻止伊朗获得核武器的努力时，斯图布态度明确。
Asked about Trump’s call at the U.N. for countries to support efforts to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, Stubb was unequivocal.
“我同意，伊朗不应获得核武器，”他告诉福克斯新闻数字版，并补充说德黑兰不应使用代理人，也不应能够生产导弹。
"I agree, Iran should not obtain nuclear weapons," he told Fox News Digital, adding that Tehran should not use proxies or be able to produce missiles.
斯图布还认为，涉及俄罗斯和伊朗的冲突已不能再孤立看待。他指控莫斯科向德黑兰提供情报，伊朗已将这些情报用于针对美国在海湾地区的军事基地，而伊朗的武器则被提供给俄罗斯，用于对抗乌克兰。
Stubb also argued that the conflicts involving Russia and Iran can no longer be viewed in isolation, alleging that Moscow is providing intelligence to Tehran that Iran has used against U.S. military bases in the Gulf, while Iranian weapons have been supplied to Russia for use against Ukraine.
“我们正在陷入这种旋转木马式的循环，冲突的每一个环节都与其他环节相互关联，”斯图布说。“我们越早结束这两场冲突，就越好。”据路透社报道，特朗普在9月22日的联合国大会讲话中呼吁孤立伊朗经济，重申德黑兰不应获得核武器，同时警告称，如果未能达成和平协议，美国将采取进一步的军事行动。
"We're going in this merry-go-round where every bit of the conflict is linked to another," Stubb said. "The sooner we can end both, the better." Trump used his Sept. 22 U.N. General Assembly address to call for Iran's economic isolation and reiterate that Tehran should not obtain a nuclear weapon, while warning of further US military action if a peace agreement is not reached, according to Reuters.
在斯图布看来，冲突不断蔓延——从乌克兰和伊朗，到加沙、也门和苏丹——正在考验一个本就难以跟上形势的外交体系。
For Stubb, the proliferation of conflicts — from Ukraine and Iran to Gaza, Yemen and Sudan — is testing a diplomatic system already struggling to keep pace.
“这不是一场零和博弈，”他说。“遗憾的是，我们眼下必须同时处理多场冲突。”斯图布补充说，对特朗普而言，这意味着要“昼夜不停地工作”。
"It's not a zero-sum game," he said. "We have to deal with a multiplicity of conflicts right now, unfortunately." And for Trump, he added, that means "working around the clock."