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英国政坛直播:伯纳姆证实俄罗斯干预脱欧公投运动后,保守党指责其“危险且制造分裂”UK politics live: Tories accuse Burnham of being ‘dangerous and divisive’ after he confirms Russian interference in Brexit campaign

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早上好。上次安迪·伯纳姆在休会后向议员们发表声明时,讲了超过三个小时。这促使凯米·巴登诺赫后来开了一则关于首相体力的下流玩笑(她在党的大会招待会上重复了这个笑话,并补充说她只能“坐着躺着”)。

Good morning. The last time Andy Burnham gave a statement to MPs after a recess, it went on for more than three hours. This prompted Kemi Badenoch to make a lewd joke later about the PM’s stamina (which she repeated at a party conference reception with an additional line about how she just had to “sit back and lie there”.)

自从议员们上次在议会厅出现已经将近一个月以来,发生了很多事情,他们想就生活成本、北海石油和天然气、伊朗战争和乌克兰等问题向首相提问。我们尚未被告知伯纳姆的声明具体将涉及哪些内容。但正如阿莱莎·杜报道的那样,伯纳姆将谈论脱欧,重申他在工党大会上所说的他认为脱欧弊大于利的观点,并主张尝试与欧盟建立更好、更紧密的关系。

Today we are getting another post-recess, potentially wide-ranging statement from the PM, but the mood might not be so cordial. Quite a lot has happened since MPs were last in the chamber almost a month ago, and they will want to ask the PM about issues like the cost of living, North Sea oil and gas, the Iran war and Ukraine. We have not been told yet exactly what Burnham’s statement will cover. But, as Aletha Adu reports, Burnham will talk about Brexit, restating what he told Labour’s conference about how he thinks it has done more harm than good and making the case for trying to find a better, closer relationship with the EU.

声明将在下午3点30分之后发表。伯纳姆还接受了《政治休息》播客的采访,在采访中他确认俄罗斯干预了脱欧公投。这是一则在政治上既平凡又具有新闻价值的说法。平凡——因为过去十年来,任何关注新闻的人都清楚俄罗斯一直在试图帮助离开阵营;具有新闻价值——因为此前没有任何首相愿意公开这么说。

The statement will come after 3.30pm Burnham has also given an interview to the Rest is Politics podcast and in it he confirmed that Russia interfered in the Brexit referendum. This is one of those statements, quite common in politics, which are simultaneously unremarkable and newsworthy. Unremarkable – because it has been obvious to anyone reading the news for the past decade that the Russians were trying to help the leave campaign. And newsworthy – because it is not something that any previous PM has been keen to say.

多年来,部长们一直在使用一句表述——该表述出现在2020年政府对情报和安全委员会关于俄罗斯威胁的报告的回应中——即“我们没有看到欧盟公投成功干涉的证据”。这暗示存在未成功干涉的证据。但过去的首相从未明确这样说过。2016年后的保守党首相,无论他们是投了留票还是离票,都不愿对离票的合法性产生怀疑;凯尔·斯塔默也同样不愿触及这个敏感议题。

For some years ministers have been using the line – set out in 2020 in the government’s response to the intelligence and security committee’s report on the threat posed by Russia – that “we have seen no evidence of successful interference in the EU referendum”. That implies there is evidence of unsuccessful interference. But in the past prime ministers have not said that explicity. Post-2016 Tory PMs, whether they voted leave or remain, did not want to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the leave vote, and Keir Starmer was also reluctant to poke his stick into that particular hornets’ nest.

伯纳姆则采取了不同的做法。在他的采访中,伯纳姆既没有被问及,也没有表示他认为俄罗斯的干涉是否对公投结果产生了影响。外交部大臣斯蒂芬·道蒂今天上午一直在接受采访,他对《时代》广播电台说:结果就是结果,我认为首相已经非常明确地表示他在谈论干涉的企图。安全大臣之前已经谈论过这个问题。我有信心,无论是英国人民还是英国国家,都能够应对并抵御这类威胁,但我们需要非常诚实地承认这些威胁的存在。

Burnham is taking a different approach. In his interview, Burnham was not asked, and did not say, if he thought that Russian interference had an impact on the result. Stephen Doughty, a Foreign Office minister, has been giving interview this morning and he told Times Radio: The result is the result, and I think the prime minister has been very clear that he’s talking about attempts to interfere. The security minister has spoken about this before. I’m confident that both the British people and the British state are able to respond to and defend against these types of threats, but we need to be very honest that those threats exist.

(“我认为首相已经非常明确”这句话,部长们通常在实际意思是“当然,首相根本就不清楚,但我很乐意现在给你这个说法”时才会说。)道蒂后来在LBC的采访中表示,俄罗斯“在众多企图破坏我们[民主]进程的尝试中都未成功”。

(“I think the PM has been very clear” is the sort of thing a minister says when what they mean is “Of course, the PM wasn’t clear at all, but I’m happy to give you the line now.” Doughty later told LBC the Russians “haven’t succeeded in their many, many attempts to undermine our [democratic] processes”.

保守党批评伯纳姆甚至提出这个话题。影子能源大臣安德鲁·鲍伊今天上午对《时代》广播电台说:这次脱欧公投是一次合法的投票。全国人民以创纪录的参与度投票决定离开欧盟。我认为首相以这种爆炸性的方式重新开启这场辩论,实际上非常危险且具有分裂性。以下是今日议程。上午11时:人工智能部长卡尼什卡·纳拉扬发表演讲。

The Conservatives have criticised Burnham for even raising the topic. Andrew Bowie, the shadow energy secretary, told Times Radio this morning: That Brexit referendum was a legitimate vote. People voted in this country in record numbers to leave the European Union. And I actually think it’s very dangerous and divisive of the prime minister to reopen this debate in such an explosive fashion. Here is the agenda for the day. 11am: Kanishka Narayan, the AI minister, gives a speech.

上午11时:英国改革党领袖奈杰尔·法拉奇及其内政事务发言人齐亚·优素福举行新闻发布会。上午11时30分:唐宁街举行游说简报会。

11am: Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, and Zia Yusuf, its home affairs spokesperson, hold a press conference. 11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

下午2时30分:工作与养老金大臣帕特·麦克法登在下议院接受提问。

2.30pm: Pat McFadden, the work and pensions secretary, takes questions in the Commons.

下午:北爱尔兰议会议员(MLAs)将就米歇尔·奥尼尔(辛恩费党首席部长)因支持反对拟议中的橙色秩序游行队伍沿加瓦奇路游行的抗议活动而面临的不信任动议进行投票。下午3时30分后:安迪·伯纳姆向议员发表声明。

Afternoon: MLAs (members of the legislative assembly) will vote on a no confidence motion in Michelle O’Neill, the Sinn Féin first minister, over her support for a protest against the proposed Orange Order march down the Garvachy Road. After 3.30pm: Andy Burnham makes a statement to MP.

傍晚时分:内政大臣沙巴纳·马赫莫德在下议院就议员安全问题发表声明。

Late afternoon: Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, makes a statement to the Commons on the safety of MPs.

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