纳特·巴加齐最初的工作并不体面。披萨配送员、代客泊车员、搬运工——这些职位“永远都实至名归，与工作内容完全相符”，他说。他回忆自己在必胜客打工时经历的一件事：“我记得有一次去一户人家，他们让我替他们买啤酒。他们会多给你一点现金，你就会想，‘好啊，不错。’口袋里多了20美元，你就去了。”如今，巴加齐的事业要风光得多。
Nate Bargatze's first jobs weren't fancy. Pizza deliveryman, valet driver, mover — titles that "were always exactly what the job was," he said. "I remember going to one house, and they wanted me to go buy them beer," he recalled of his time working for Pizza Hut. "They'd give you a little extra cash, and you'd be like, 'Alright, that's nice.' A little extra $20 in the pocket, and you go." Bargatze's career is now much more flashy.
他两度主持《周六夜现场》，出演了自己的奈飞特别节目，担纲全国巡演，还成为福特广告中的男主角。商业内幕网是在周三的福特“Accelerate”大会上采访他的。他主持了这场在底特律举行的活动，多位商业领袖齐聚一堂，讨论美国技术工匠短缺的问题。我们询问巴加齐，如何打造梦想中的职业生涯。他的回答与会上许多首席执行官的说法惊人地相似——只不过可能少了一些企业式的虚饰。
He's hosted SNL twice, starred in his own Netflix specials, headlined national tours, and is the leading man in Ford ad campaigns. And that's how Business Insider met Bargatze on Wednesday — at Ford's Accelerate conference. He emceed the Detroit event that brought together business leaders to talk about America's skilled-trades shortage. We asked Baratze about building a dream career. His response was remarkably similar to what CEOs at the conference were saying — but perhaps with less corporate frou-frou.
他们最主要的建议是：不要期待第一份工作就是梦想中的职位；一旦找到机会，就要好好把握。工作服制造商Carhartt首席执行官琳达·哈伯德告诉商业内幕网，她曾听一名零售员工说，他申请了一个数据分析职位，但公司并没有空缺。后来，他进入公司位于底特律的零售店工作——由此先踏进了公司的大门。“他现在可以查看我们所有内部发布的职位信息，”她周三说，“所以他已经领先了一步，对吧？他会认识其他人，而且，你知道吗？他最后可能会发现自己很喜欢零售工作，成为店经理、区域经理，然后突然发现：‘我原以为自己想要的是数据分析职位，但也许我并不想要。’”
Their main piece of advice: Don't expect your first role to be the dream job, and once you find an opening, make the most of it. Linda Hubbard, the CEO of the workwear maker Carhartt, told Business Insider that she had heard from a retail worker who had applied for an analytics role, but Carhartt did not have an opening for him. Instead, he took a job at the company's Detroit retail store — and got his foot in the door. "He has all of our internal posting access," she said on Wednesday. "So he's now one step ahead, right? He'll meet other people, and, you know what? He may end up loving retail, becoming a store manager, a district manager, and like, all of a sudden, 'I thought I wanted the data position, but maybe I don't.'"
其他几位高管也以自己的职业经历为例。“我以前想当投资银行家，那就是我的梦想工作，”暖通空调制造企业特兰技术首席执行官戴维·雷格纳里在台上说。他讨厌银行业，于是转去特兰的工厂车间工作。“如今，40年过去了。”
Several other executives used their own career trajectories as an example. "I wanted to be an investment banker. That was my dream job," David Regnery, CEO of Trane Technologies, an HVAC manufacturing company, said onstage. He hated banking and pivoted to a job on Trane's factory floors. "Here I am, 40 years later.
我就在这家公司。”福特首席执行官吉姆·法利表示，他最初在汽车制造厂的车间担任时间—动作研究专家，后来一路升至公司管理层。威瑞森首席执行官丹·舒尔曼说，他一直想当一名消防员，至今仍梦想成为牧场主。太平洋煤电公司首席执行官帕蒂·波普最初是一名汽车工程师，后来领导了加州最大的能源公用事业公司。
I'm at the same company." Ford's CEO Jim Farley said he moved up in the company after working on the automaker's factory floor as a time-motion-study expert. Dan Schulman, CEO of Verizon, said he always wanted to be a fireman — and still has dreams of being a rancher. Patti Poppe, PG&E's CEO, started out as an automotive engineer before heading up California's biggest energy utility.
对这些首席执行官而言，相比普通的职业励志建议，他们提出的建议更加迫切。这场会议围绕技术工人日益短缺的问题展开，而与此同时，人工智能正让许多员工思考哪些工作还能长久存在。这些高管经常引用的一项数据是：在过去十年中，每有五名技术工人退休，就只有两名美国人准备好填补空缺。与此同时，高管们不断表示，他们也不知道人工智能将会如何影响我们的就业。
For the CEOs, their advice carries more urgency than a standard career pep talk. The conference was built around a growing shortage of skilled-trades workers, even as AI leaves many workers wondering which jobs will endure. A frequently cited stat among the execs: For every five trade workers who retired over the past decade, only two Americans have been ready to pick up the slack. Meanwhile, executives kept saying they don't know what AI is going to do to our jobs ("The pace of technological change right now is hard to even fathom, and we're right in the middle of it," Schulman said.)
（舒尔曼说：“目前技术变化的速度甚至很难想象，而我们正身处这场变革的中心。”）尽管如此，他们给出的建议都一样：对任何出现的机会都保持开放，即使那些机会出乎你的意料。由此，你就能掌握长久适用的技能。巴尔加齐说，他的喜剧生涯也建立在这一理念之上。他说，一切始于他签下一份在邮轮上进行单口喜剧表演的合约。
Still, their advice was the same: remain open to whatever opportunities pop up, even if they surprise you. From there, you can build enduring skills. Bargatze said his comedy career was also built on that premise. He said it started when he booked a contract to do stand-up on a cruise ship. It wasn't the audience he wanted to perform for, but it gave him a stage to test out his material.
那并不是他渴望面对的观众，但给了他一个检验自己表演素材的舞台。他在一次圆桌讨论中告诉《商业内幕》：“如果我掌握了一小时可以信赖的表演素材，这就是别人无法从我这里夺走的东西。我拥有这一小时的表演。如果你会组装和拆解汽车，你就有一门手艺，有可以利用的技能。这本身就是最坚实的保障。”
"If I have an hour of material that I can rely on, that's something that nobody can take from me. I have this hour," he told Business Insider during a roundtable. "If you know how to build and take apart a car, you have an act, you have something you can use. That's just a giant backstop."