边境事务主管汤姆·霍曼在周五的一次采访中指责CBS记者提出了“充满偏见的问题”，询问他在拜登政府下关于ICE如何对待被拘留的非法移民的问题时，还问及他是否收集了有关移民死亡的数据。
Border czar Tom Homan accused a CBS journalist of asking a "loaded question" in a Friday interview about how ICE treats detained illegal migrants, asking him whether he gathered statistics about migrant deaths under the Biden administration.
CBS新闻的移民通讯员卡米洛·蒙塔加尔瓦斯问及霍曼在特朗普政府下ICE拘留人员的死亡情况，指出今年可能会创下“新的历史最高纪录”。
CBS News' immigration correspondent Camilo Montoya-Galvez asked Homan about deaths in ICE custody under the Trump administration, noting that this year could set a "new record high."
“我们查阅了官方的ICE数据，先生，并发现到目前为止在这个政府下有57人在该机构的拘留中去世,”蒙塔加尔瓦斯说道。“事实上，据该机构报告，今天有人刚刚在ICE拘留中去世。2026年在拘留人员死亡人数上可能会创下新的历史最高纪录。这有什么措施来预防这种情况？我知道部分解释是因为更多的人被拘留，因此悲剧性地更多的人去世。但这不能成为唯一的解释，对吧？”
"We looked at official ICE data, sir, and found that 57 people have died in the agency's custody so far under this administration," Montoya-Galvez said. "In fact, somebody was just reported to have died in ICE custody today by the agency. 2026 could set a new record high in the number of detainees dying. What is being done to prevent that? And I know one partial explanation is that more people are being detained and, so tragically, more people are dying.
“在拜登政府期间有多少人去世？”霍曼立即回答道，随后停顿了很长时间。“在拜登政府期间有多少人在拘留中去世？你知道吗？”“很多人，”蒙塔加尔瓦斯回答道。“你知道吗？”霍曼进一步追问。
But that can't be the only explanation, can it be?" "How many people died during the Biden administration?" Homan immediately replied, followed by a long pause. "How many people died in custody during the Biden administration? Do you know?" HOMAN VOWS ICE DETENTION FACILITY 'ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE' DESPITE DEMOCRATS' PUSH TO SHUT IT DOWN "A significant number," Montoya-Galvez replied. "Do you know?" Homan pressed further.
“但这将是2026年的最高年份，”蒙塔加尔瓦斯继续说道。“我只是想问如果这种趋势继续下去——”“你知道在拜登政府期间有多少人去世吗？”霍曼再次追问。“我这里没有这些数据，”CBS的记者承认。
"But this is going to be the highest year in 2026," Montoya-Galvez continued. "I'm just asking if the pace continues —" "Do you know how many died during the Biden administration?" Homan pressed again. "I don't have the data here," the CBS interviewer admitted.
“当然你不知道，”霍曼说道。“再一次，这又是针对特朗普政府的充满偏见的问题。”霍曼表示，ICE保持着最高标准的拘留中心管理。
"Of course you don't," Homan said. "Again, it's another loaded question against the Trump administration." BORDER CZAR TOM HOMAN FIRES BACK AT MARGARET BRENNAN OVER ICE PURSUIT Homan said that ICE maintains the highest standards for detention centers.
我们在行业中拥有最高的拘留标准，甚至高于任何州或联邦机构。我们的在押死亡人数……在所有州监狱或联邦监狱中名列前茅。人数上升是因为我们的拘押人数翻了一番。我们有超过7万人——我想最近我们有74000人在押，"他说。
"We have the highest detention standards in industry, higher than any state or federal institution. Our deaths in custody ... are among the lowest of any state prison or Bureau of Prisons. Numbers are up because our population has doubled in custody. We got over 70 — I think the other day we had like 74,000 in custody," he said.
霍曼随后辩称，ICE的医疗护理质量之高，甚至达到了帮助拘押人员解决他们自己都不知道存在的医疗问题的程度。"所以我们有更多的人在押，我们在处理来自第三世界国家的人，"他说。"他们见到的第一批医生中，有些就是我们的医生。事实上，没人谈论ICE在拘押期间发现严重医疗问题并进行治疗所拯救的生命有多少。
Homan went on to argue that the quality of ICE medical care is so high to the point detainees are helped with medical issues they didn’t even know they had. "So we have more people in custody, and we're dealing with people from third-world nations," he said. "Some of the first doctors they see are our doctors. And matter of fact, no one ever talks about how many lives that ICE saves in detention when they found a serious medical issue that the alien didn't even know about and we treat.
当我担任ICE局长时，我想我们在医疗护理上花了近10亿美元。""BAKED TO DEATH"：霍曼在分享边境执法职业生涯中的可怕场景时抨击媒体他将ICE拘押与联邦或州监狱进行了比较。"再次强调，这是不幸的，也是悲伤的，当任何人在押时去世。我不希望任何人死去，但我们尽我们所能为他们提供最好的医疗护理。再次强调，最高的拘留标准，"霍曼说。"
When I was ICE director, I think we spent almost a billion dollars on medical care." ‘BAKED TO DEATH’: HOMAN RIPS MEDIA WHILE SHARING HORRIFIC SCENES FROM BORDER ENFORCEMENT CAREER He compared ICE detention to federal or state prisons. "Again, it's unfortunate, and it's sad when anybody dies. I don't want to see anybody die, but we do everything we can to give them the best medical care that we can provide. And again, highest detention standards," Homan said.
我想如果你比较在押死亡人数与州监狱或联邦监狱的情况，我想我们名列前茅。在我上次查看数据时——可能是两年前——我们是最低的。"
"I think if you look at deaths in custody compared to state prisons or federal penitentiaries, I think we're one of the lowest. At least the last time I looked at the data — it was probably a couple years ago — we're the lowest."
在唐纳德特朗普总统的第一届政府中担任前任代理助理司法部长和副助理总统兼国内政策顾问的泰奥·沃尔德在接受福克斯新闻数字台采访时批评了蒙塔-加尔瓦雷斯的提问。
Theo Wold, a former acting assistant attorney general and deputy assistant to the president for domestic policy during President Donald Trump's first administration, criticized Montoya-Galvez's questions in comments to Fox News Digital.
他说：“这就是现代美国的新闻业——记者带着陷阱式的问题却没有任何支持数据。目的是为了制造晚间新闻节目的意识形态短片，而不是为了向公众提供信息（这应该是新闻业的目标）。”
"This is what passes for journalism in modern America — a reporter comes prepared with gotcha questions but no backup data," he said. "The purpose isn’t to inform the public (which ought to be the goal of journalism), it’s to manufacture ideological sound bites for the nightly news."
“没有人希望发生在押人员死亡，但任何政府都无法避免这种情况，”沃尔德补充道。“特朗普政府的执法行动已超过倍增了拜登时期的执法力度，这意味着被拘留的人数更多，以及在押人员死亡事件更多，其中大多数并非来自ICE或其执法官员的过错。”
"No one wants in-custody deaths, but no administration can avoid them," Wold added. "The Trump Administration has more than doubled Biden-era enforcement, which means more individuals detained and more in-custody deaths, most often through no fault of ICE or its enforcement officers."