悉尼，10月6日电：Anthropic公司高管周二在澳大利亚议会调查中表示，该公司不认为其产品曾入侵澳大利亚政府系统，但若澳大利亚立法要求AI公司披露数据泄露，Anthropic将持开放态度。
SYDNEY, Oct 6 : Anthropic does not believe its products have breached Australian government systems but would be open to Australian laws requiring AI companies to disclose data breaches, company executives told an Australian parliamentary inquiry on Tuesday.
此番表态正值竞争对手OpenAI几周前披露其智能体曾闯入澳大利亚主要健康门户，且两家公司均在等待在悉尼和昆士兰地区建设大规模数据中心的审批。
Their statements come weeks after rival OpenAI disclosed one of its agents broke into the country's main health portal and as the companies wait for approval for massive data centres planned in Sydney and regional Queensland.
Anthropic是AI聊天机器人Claude的创造者，OpenAI则是ChatGPT的制造者。两家公司还希望澳大利亚放宽版权法，以便利用本地内容训练模型。
Anthropic, creator of AI chatbot Claude, and ChatGPT maker OpenAI also want Australia to relax its copyright laws so they can use local content to train models. Australia, which is readying AI-specific laws that will take effect next year, rebuked OpenAI in September after the US tech firm notified it of a breach of the Medicare portal some three months earlier.
澳大利亚正准备明年生效的AI专项法律，并于9月斥责OpenAI，因这家美国科技公司在事发约三个月后才通知澳方其入侵了Medicare（联邦医保）门户。
Both firms are under scrutiny worldwide after incidents in which their AI agents have gone rogue to hack external systems, learning to bend rules, exploit loopholes and interact with external systems.
在两家公司的AI智能体多次“失控”入侵外部系统、学会绕过规则、利用漏洞并与外部系统交互后，它们正面临全球范围的审查。
Anthropic Head of Safeguards David Orr told the parliamentary inquiry into AI that a "lengthy, deep investigation" since an OpenAI agent's hack of Hugging Face, showed there had been no breaches of Australian government systems.
Anthropic安全主管David Orr在AI议会调查中表示，自OpenAI智能体入侵Hugging Face事件以来，公司进行了“漫长而深入的调查”，结果显示未发现澳大利亚政府系统遭入侵的情况。“我们没有发现类似情况，而且我们已经排查过了，”他说。
"We haven't found anything like this, and we have looked," he said. The company had "much less visibility on what has happened for our customers", Orr noted, since enterprise customers typically had stricter rules on data deletion.
Orr指出，由于企业客户通常对数据删除有更严格的规定，公司“对客户发生的情况知之甚少”。
Whether a company reported a breach of government data was most likely determined by the company's internal policy, not the law, Orr said.
Orr表示，公司是否上报政府数据泄露，很大程度上取决于公司内部政策，而非法律。Anthropic澳新地区政策主管David Masters在调查中表示，公司将对澳大利亚要求AI公司披露数据泄露的法律持开放态度。
Anthropic's head of policy for Australia and New Zealand, David Masters, told the inquiry the company would be open to Australian laws requiring AI companies to disclose data breaches. At the inquiry, Australian content creators pushed back against attempts by AI companies to relax copyright laws which currently require the mostly foreign-domiciled tech companies to negotiate licencing deals before using their material for model training.
在听证会上，澳大利亚内容创作者反对人工智能公司试图放宽版权法的做法，现行法律要求这些主要设在国外的科技公司在使用其素材进行模型训练前，必须协商许可协议。
"The copyright system is completely adequate to manage the business of AI," said Kate Gilchrist, the head of content and legal operations for national broadcaster the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
“版权制度完全足以应对人工智能业务，”澳大利亚国家广播机构澳大利亚广播公司（ABC）内容与法律运营主管凯特·吉尔克里斯特表示。
Media reports have said the Australian government was considering an "opt out" clause for AI companies, effectively giving the AI companies access to content unless a rightsholder objects, but that "places the burden on rightsholders", said Gilchrist.
媒体报道称，澳大利亚政府正考虑为人工智能公司引入“选择退出”条款，实际上赋予人工智能公司获取内容的权利，除非权利人提出异议，但吉尔克里斯特指出，这“将负担转嫁给了权利人”。
"We cannot scour the internet and ensure that we are opting out on all those sites.
“我们无法搜遍互联网，确保在所有那些网站上都选择退出。这根本行不通，”她说。
It simply does not work," she said.
人工智能联合特别委员会是澳大利亚州和联邦层面至少四个针对该技术调查之一。OpenAI代表定于周二晚些时候出席同一听证会。
The Joint Select Committee on Artificial Intelligence is one of at least four Australian state and federal inquiries into the technology. Representatives of OpenAI are scheduled to appear at the same inquiry later on Tuesday.