
纽约——在《耶稣受难日协议》促成北爱尔兰局势转变近三十年后,爱尔兰总理米歇尔·马丁表示,在唐纳德·特朗普总统表态支持爱尔兰统一之后,美国有望在未来推动爱尔兰统一的过程中发挥作用。
NEW YORK — Nearly three decades after the Good Friday Agreement transformed Northern Ireland, Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin said the United States could potentially play a role in a future push for a united Ireland following President Donald Trump's backing for reunification.
米歇尔·马丁所在的共和党支持爱尔兰统一。他指出,1998年签署的这项具有里程碑意义的协议基本终结了北爱尔兰长达30年的宗派暴力冲突,为决定北爱尔兰的宪法前途建立了和平机制。不过他也提醒道,首先必须弥合北爱尔兰的民族主义群体与联合主义群体之间的深刻分歧。
Martin, whose Fianna Fáil party supports Irish unity, said the landmark 1998 agreement – which largely ended 30 years of sectarian violence in Northern Ireland known as "the Troubles" – created a peaceful mechanism for deciding Northern Ireland's constitutional future, but cautioned that the deep divide between Northern Ireland's nationalist and unionist communities must first be bridged.
“我坚信爱尔兰统一,我的政党也支持统一,但我们需要为此努力,”马丁在接受福克斯新闻数字频道独家采访时说道,“我们必须促进爱尔兰岛上不同群体间的和解。”他还补充道:“美国对爱尔兰实现和平与解决冲突起到了至关重要的作用。”
"I believe in unity and my party believes in unity, but we have to work on it," Martin told Fox News Digital in an exclusive interview. "We have to build reconciliation amongst the different traditions on the island of Ireland." "The U.S. were critical to the success of peace and conflict resolution in Ireland," Martin added.
此次采访是在纽约举行的联合国大会期间进行的。马丁称当前世界正处于一个“十字路口”:乌克兰战火未息,中东冲突不断,有关伊朗及霍尔木兹海峡的谈判也正在进行中。
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整个采访过程中,马丁多次以爱尔兰自身的冲突与和平经历为例,说明该国应如何应对海外危机。尽管爱尔兰对乌克兰的支持力度日益加大,但他仍坚持捍卫该国长期奉行的军事中立政策。
Throughout the interview, he repeatedly returned to Ireland's own experience of conflict and peace as a guide to how the country approaches crises abroad, while defending the country's longstanding policy of military neutrality despite its growing support for Ukraine.
上个月特朗普总统访问爱尔兰时曾表示,他“非常乐意”看到爱尔兰实现统一,并预测这一愿景终将实现。此后,爱尔兰统一这一宪法议题再度受到广泛关注。
The constitutional question of Irish unity gained renewed attention during Trump's recent visit to Ireland last month, when the president said he would "love" to see Ireland unified and predicted it would eventually happen.
在福克斯新闻数字节目中,当被问及如果爱尔兰最终走向统一,华盛顿是否会再次发挥作用时,马丁回答说:“在某种程度上,可能是的。马丁是在北爱尔兰波塔敦爆发最近一次关于Garvaghy Road的冲突之前发表上述讲话的,这再次引发了北爱尔兰最激烈的游行争端之一,并强调了民族主义者和工会主义者之间的分歧仍然很大。
Asked during the Fox News Digital whether Washington could play a role again if Ireland eventually moves toward reunification, Martin replied: "To a degree maybe, potentially, yeah." Martin spoke before the latest confrontation over Garvaghy Road erupted in Portadown, Northern Ireland, reviving one of Northern Ireland's most bitter marching disputes and underscoring how potent nationalist-unionist divisions remain.
游行委员会上个月批准了28年来第一次沿着主要民族主义的Garvaghy路进行的有限橙色游行。居民和支持者封锁了游行路线,而警方由于担心严重混乱而拒绝强行通过游行。
The Parades Commission last month approved a limited Orange Order march along the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road for the first time in 28 years. Residents and supporters blocked the route, while police declined to force the parade through amid fears of serious disorder.
橙色教团是一个新教组织,其成员普遍支持北爱尔兰留在英国,而主要以民族主义为主的加瓦希路社区的许多居民(主要是天主教徒)则支持统一的爱尔兰。
The Orange Order is a Protestant organization whose members generally support Northern Ireland remaining part of the United Kingdom, while many residents of the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road community, who are predominantly Catholic, favor a united Ireland.
随着斡旋妥协的努力仍在继续,僵局已蔓延到法院和议会开会的斯托蒙特。
The standoff has since spilled into the courts and Stormont, where parliament meets, as efforts to broker a compromise continue.
根据《耶稣受难日协议》,如果北爱尔兰多数人支持统一,则可以举行公投。但马丁表示,需要做更多工作来定义统一的爱尔兰是什么样子,并加深边境两侧的接触。
Under the Good Friday Agreement, a referendum can be called if it appears a majority in Northern Ireland would support reunification. But Martin said more work is needed to define what a united Ireland would look like and deepen engagement on both sides of the border.
爱尔兰总理表示,爱尔兰“没有被移民占领”,合法移民与乌克兰的经济成功以及和平的渴望有关。然而,对于马丁来说,北爱尔兰和平进程的教训远远超出了该岛的范围。
IRISH PM SAYS IRELAND ‘NOT OVERRUN’ BY IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL MIGRATION TIED TO ECONOMIC SUCCESS UKRAINE AND THE SEARCH FOR PEACE For Martin, however, the lessons of Northern Ireland's peace process extend far beyond the island.
马丁说:“由于北爱尔兰的冲突,我们觉得我们可以为解决冲突的途径做出贡献。”
"Because of our conflict in Northern Ireland, we feel we can make a contribution to that conflict resolution pathway," Martin said.
他说,爱尔兰结束数十年暴力的经历现在决定了它如何应对俄罗斯在乌克兰的战争、中东冲突以及欧洲日益不确定的安全环境。
He said Ireland's experience ending decades of violence now shapes how it approaches Russia's war in Ukraine, the conflict in the Middle East and Europe's increasingly uncertain security environment.
“在目前阶段,我们感觉俄罗斯似乎并无真正的兴趣,”马丁在谈及结束乌克兰战争的种种努力时说道。
"We don't get a sense that Russia is really interested at this particular stage," Martin said of efforts to end the war in Ukraine.
此前一天晚上,马丁刚刚与乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基会面。尽管如此,他仍认为维持华盛顿与莫斯科之间的沟通渠道至关重要。
Martin, who had met Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy the previous evening, nevertheless argued that continued channels between Washington and Moscow were important.
当被问及能否达成和平协议是否最终需要乌克兰向俄罗斯让出领土时,马丁直接否定了这一前提。
Asked whether a realistic peace settlement would ultimately require Ukraine to surrender territory to Russia, Martin rejected the premise.
“尽管战争已持续四年,但俄罗斯甚至尚未占领那些领土,乌克兰自然不可能割让给对方,”马丁说道。不过他认为,在现有战线基础上实现停火可以作为谈判的起点。
"Ukraine can't cede territory that Russia hasn't even conquered, despite four years of war," Martin said. But he said a ceasefire along existing battle lines could provide a starting point for negotiations.
“如果我们能促使双方在现有战线上停火,进而展开谈判,那便是良好的开端,”马丁补充道。他还强调,基辅需要获得防范俄罗斯再次发动侵略的保障措施。“乌克兰需要安全保障。”此外,马丁指出乌克兰加入欧盟的进程有望为其提供额外的安全保障,并强调欧洲与俄罗斯之间的整体安全架构最终也必须在谈判中予以解决。
"If we even could get a ceasefire on existing lines, and then negotiations to start," Martin said, adding that Kyiv would need protections against renewed Russian aggression. "Ukraine needs security guarantees." Martin also pointed to Ukraine's path toward European Union membership as potentially providing an additional layer of security and said the broader security architecture between Europe and Russia would ultimately have to be addressed in negotiations.
“在我们看来,任何国家都无权入侵他国并夺取其领土,”马丁说道。爱尔兰的中立立场究竟有多“中立”?
"From our perspective, no one has the right to go into another country and take its territory," Martin said. HOW NEUTRAL IS IRELAND?
然而,爱尔兰对基辅的大力支持却在国内引发了一个颇具争议的问题:一个奉行军事中立的国家究竟能在多大程度上支持战争中的一方,同时又能维持其中立立场?
Ireland's extensive support for Kyiv, however, raises a more contentious question at home: how far can a militarily neutral country support one side in a war while maintaining that neutrality?
自2022年俄罗斯全面入侵乌克兰以来,爱尔兰已向乌方提供了超过7.54亿美元的人道主义援助、军事训练及其他非致命性支援,不过并未提供致命性武器。
Ireland has committed more than $754 million in humanitarian assistance, military training and other non-lethal support to Ukraine since Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022 while stopping short of providing lethal weapons.
福克斯新闻数字频道就此询问马丁:如此规模的援助是否会损害爱尔兰的中立性?
Fox News Digital asked Martin whether that level of support undermined Ireland's neutrality.
“不会。因为我们并未提供致命性援助或武器,只是给予了训练等方面的非致命性帮助以及人道主义援助,”马丁答道。
"No, because we don't give lethal aid, we haven't given military weaponry, but we have given non-lethal assistance in terms of training and so on like that, and also humanitarian aid to Ukraine," Martin said.
爱尔兰也接纳了大量为躲避战争而逃来的乌克兰人。马丁称,一度有超过12万名乌克兰人抵达爱尔兰,而在接受采访时仍有约8万人留在该国。
Ireland has also taken in large numbers of Ukrainians fleeing the war. Martin said more than 120,000 had arrived at one point, with roughly 80,000 remaining in the country at the time of the interview.
“这并非偏袒任何一方,而是对战争做出的人道主义回应,”马丁说道,“许多难民也在为社会发展贡献力量,积极参与经济活动。”不过,由于美国军方长期使用香农机场,爱尔兰的中立立场也遭到了质疑。
"That's not taking sides, that's taking humanitarian response to a war," Martin said. "And many are contributing, many are working in the economy." Ireland's neutrality has also faced scrutiny over the long-standing use of Shannon Airport by the U.S. military.
今年8月,北约最高军事指挥官阿莱克修斯·格林凯维奇称香农机场是美国“极为重要的物流枢纽”,并表示若剥夺美国军方使用权限,很可能会损害美爱两国关系。
NATO's top military commander, Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, described Shannon in August as a "very important logistics hub" for the United States and said withdrawing American military access would probably damage U.S.-Irish relations.
长期以来,该机场的用途一直引发爱尔兰中立倡导者的抗议,他们认为允许美国军人和军用飞机经停民用机场会损害爱尔兰的中立地位。
The airport's role has long drawn protests from Irish neutrality campaigners, who argue that allowing U.S. military personnel and aircraft to transit through a civilian airport undermines the country's neutral status.
尽管在乌克兰及中东冲突问题上两国立场有所不同,但马丁仍用近乎家人般的措辞来形容美爱关系。
Despite differing approaches to conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, Martin described the U.S.-Ireland relationship in almost familial terms.
“爱尔兰与美国之间有着极为深厚的纽带,”马丁说道。他还提到爱尔兰领导人每年圣帕特里克节都会访问白宫的传统,以及数量庞大的爱尔兰裔美国人——据他估计约有3000万人。“我们就像一家人,有着血缘上的联系,”马丁说道。
"There's a very strong bond between Ireland and the United States," Martin said. He pointed to the long-standing tradition of Irish leaders visiting the White House on St. Patrick's Day and the enormous Irish-American diaspora, which he estimated at roughly 30 million people. "It's just family, there's kinship ties," Martin said.
中东问题方面,马丁表示爱尔兰在和平进程方面的经验也影响了其对中东事务的立场。如今,都柏林已成为欧洲批评以色列最力度的国家之一。
MIDDLE EAST Martin said Ireland's peace-process experience also informs its approach to the Middle East, where Dublin has emerged as one of Israel's strongest European critics.
他谴责了哈马斯于10月7日发动的恐怖袭击,同时维护以色列享有安全的权利,但也指出以色列随后在加沙地带发动的军事行动“绝对不成比例”。
He condemned Hamas' Oct. 7 terrorist attack and defended Israel's right to security while arguing that the subsequent Israeli military campaign in Gaza had been "absolutely disproportionate." "We believe in a two-state solution," Martin said.
“我们支持两国方案,”马丁说道,“我们认为以色列当然有权在安全的环境中生存,其民众的安全也必须得到保障。同样地,巴勒斯坦人也有权在自己的家园上和平生活。”
"We believe that Israel, of course, has a right to exist in security and its people need to be guaranteed of security. But likewise, Palestinians should have a right to live in their homeland in a peaceful way."
马丁表示,爱尔兰之所以持强烈的反以色列立场,部分原因在于本国自身的历史,以及他所说的“对正义与公平的追求”。目前爱尔兰正担任欧盟理事会轮值主席国,在欧洲面临数十年来最严峻的安全挑战之际,马丁也处于各项谈判的核心位置。
Martin said Ireland's strongly anti-Israel position was shaped partly by its own history and what he described as a "sense of right and justice and fairness." TRUMP'S INVESTMENT PUSH HITS EUROPE AS IRISH PM EYES NEXT TARIFF BREAK EUROPE'S SECURITY Ireland currently holds the rotating presidency of the Council of the European Union, placing Martin at the center of negotiations as Europe confronts its biggest security challenges in decades.
“欧洲各界都逐渐意识到,我们必须采取更多措施来提升自身安全水平,尤其是考虑到俄乌冲突的影响,”马丁说道。
"There's a big realization in Europe that we have to do more to provide greater security to Europe, particularly because of the Russian-Ukrainian war," Martin said.
他特别提到了波罗的海及北欧国家,这些国家的政府因担忧俄罗斯而纷纷增加了国防开支。“许多国家都对俄罗斯怀有生存层面的恐惧,”马丁说道。
He pointed particularly to Baltic and Nordic countries, where governments have increased defense spending amid fears about Russia. "Many have an existential fear of Russia," Martin said.
此外,马丁还提到欧洲正在收紧移民政策。他在采访中曾指出,爱尔兰的庇护申请数量有所下降,而欧洲各国政府也都在应对日益增大的政治压力。
Martin said Europe was also tightening its approach to immigration, echoing comments he made elsewhere in the interview that asylum applications had fallen across Ireland and that governments across the continent were responding to mounting political pressure.
对马丁而言,从乌克兰和中东局势到爱尔兰尚未完成的宪法改革,这些挑战归根结底都体现了他的国家在历经数十年冲突及和平进程后所汲取的教训。“全世界都应当努力翻开新的一页,实现更为和平的共存,”马丁说道。
For Martin, those challenges — from Ukraine and the Middle East to Ireland's own unfinished constitutional future —ultimately return to the lessons he believes his country learned through decades of conflict and the peace process that followed. "The world needs to try and turn a page towards a more peaceful sort of coexistence," Martin said.