亚马逊创始人杰夫·贝索斯周三阐述了他对美国未来的宏大构想。他在接受福克斯新闻采访时指出，美国必须在中国之前登陆月球，人工智能（AI）能帮助家庭以更少的劳动维持生计，而数据中心未来甚至可能运行在太空中。
Amazon founder Jeff Bezos laid out a sweeping vision for America’s future Wednesday, telling Fox News the U.S. must beat China to the moon, artificial intelligence (AI) could help families get by with less work and data centers could one day operate in space.
在“特别报道”节目中与首席政治主播布雷特·拜尔进行的独家采访中，贝索斯阐述了他对蓝色起源和人工智能的雄心，同时反驳了那些将亿万富翁描绘成“反派”的政治人物。“成功并非邪恶，”贝索斯说道。
In an exclusive interview with chief political anchor Bret Baier on "Special Report," Bezos outlined his ambitions for Blue Origin and AI while pushing back on politicians who cast billionaires as villains. "Success is not villainy," Bezos said.
此次采访在佛罗里达州卡纳维拉尔角的蓝色起源工厂内进行，正值福克斯新闻频道成立30周年之际。
The interview took place on Blue Origin’s factory floor in Cape Canaveral, Florida, as Fox News Channel marked its 30th anniversary.
“中国正在将竞争推向星辰，美国必须重新夺回太空霸权。”贝索斯表示，美国必须在与中国的月球登陆竞赛中胜出，并自信地认为美国有望在2028年实现这一目标。
CHINA IS TAKING THE FIGHT TO THE STARS. AMERICA MUST RECLAIM SPACE SUPREMACY Bezos said the U.S. must prevail in the race against China to land humans on the moon, expressing confidence that an American landing is possible in 2028.
“我们必须在中国之前登陆月球，我相信我们一定能够做到，”他说。
"We have to beat China to the moon, and I believe we will beat China to the moon," he said.
他表示，美国国家航空航天局（NASA）和蓝色起源都已专注于这一目标，而要实现人类在月球上的长期驻留，还需要进行多次物资运输。
He said NASA and Blue Origin are focused on the goal, with cargo deliveries needed to support a sustained human presence.
“我们必须能够定期在月球上着陆并运送物资，以支持月球基地的建设，”贝索斯说。“因此，还有大量工作要做，但我们有充分理由相信，能够在2028年将人类送上月球。”尽管火星仍然是未来的目的地，但贝索斯反对跳过月球，称月球因其靠近地球且拥有支持未来任务所需资源而“是一份礼物”。
"We have to be able to land cargo routinely on the moon to support a lunar base on the moon," Bezos said. "So there’s a lot of work to be done, but there’s every reason to believe that we can put humans on the moon in 2028." While Mars remains a destination, Bezos argued against skipping the moon, describing it as "a gift" because of its proximity to Earth and resources that could support future missions.
“我们会去火星，也会完成所有其他任务。但我们必须先登陆月球，”他说。
"We’ll go to Mars. We’ll do all the other things. But we need to go to the moon first," he said.
贝索斯表示，月球土壤可用于制造太阳能电池，而月球上生产的氧气可用作火箭燃料。他的目标是，最终在月球上建立长期存在的基地。
Bezos said lunar soil could be used to manufacture solar cells and oxygen produced on the moon could serve as rocket propellant. The goal, he said, should be to establish a lasting presence.
美国国家航空航天局迎来68周年：美国必须在月球、火星及更远领域保持领先，否则将被中国超越“这不仅仅是一次任务和离开，”他说，“这将是一个真正可持续的月球基地。”贝索斯表示，蓝色起源公司也正准备在12月恢复其“新格伦”号火箭的飞行。此前，该火箭在5月份的一次发动机测试中发生爆炸，拜尔在节目中对此进行了详细报道。
NASA AT 68: AMERICA MUST LEAD ON THE MOON, MARS AND BEYOND—OR CHINA WILL "It won’t just be a mission and leave," he said. "It’ll be a real sustainable lunar base." Blue Origin is also preparing to return its New Glenn rocket to flight in December, Bezos said, following an explosion during an engine test in May that Baier detailed during the broadcast.
贝索斯赞扬了团队对发射台的修复工作，并表示下一次飞行将搭载“蓝色之环”（Blue Ring），这是一种旨在将有效载荷输送到不同轨道以及更深太空的飞行器。
Bezos praised the team for repairing the launch pad, saying the next flight will carry Blue Ring, a vehicle designed to transport payloads into different orbits and farther into space.
当被问及将单个发射台的年发射次数从12次增加到50次的计划时，贝索斯透露，蓝色起源正在建造另外三个发射台。他的长期雄心远不止于此。
Asked about plans to increase launches from one pad from 12 to 50 annually, Bezos said Blue Origin is building three additional pads. His long-term ambitions are far greater.
“我们的目标是每天飞行，”他说。“一旦我们能够每天飞行，我们就想要每小时飞行一次。而一旦我们能够每小时飞行一次，我们希望每分钟都飞行。”他坦言，这个最终目标遭到了他自己团队的怀疑。
"Our goal is to fly every day," he said. "And then once we’re flying every day, we want to fly every hour. And then once we’re flying every hour, we want to fly every minute." That final goal, he acknowledged, draws skepticism from his own team.
“他们认为我疯了，”贝索斯说。“但我以前见过疯狂的事情变成现实。”
"They think I’m crazy," Bezos said. "But I’ve seen crazy things before come true."
如果美国人对使用人工智能感到恐惧，美国就无法赢得全球人工智能竞赛贝索斯表示，他个人已向蓝色起源投资了280亿美元，并且该公司最近首次从外部投资者那里筹集了100亿美元资金。他还表示，首次公开募股（IPO）可能会在几年后进行。
AMERICA CANNOT WIN THE GLOBAL AI RACE IF AMERICANS ARE AFRAID TO USE AI Bezos said he has personally invested $28 billion in Blue Origin and that the company recently raised $10 billion from outside investors for the first time. He also said an initial public offering could come several years from now.
“在确信这对他们来说会是一笔好投资之前，我其实并不想引入外部投资者，”他说。
"I didn’t really want to take outside investors until I was sure that it would be a good investment for them," he said.
他对人工智能的愿景同样雄心勃勃，贝索斯预测，生产力的提升可能会让一些家庭靠单一收入生活，或者通过缩短工作周来养活自己。
His vision for AI is similarly ambitious, with Bezos predicting productivity gains could allow some families to live on one income or support themselves with a shorter workweek.
“有些人也会决定，你知道吗？我可以每周工作三天来养家糊口，”他说。“这就是经济中生产力的含义。”蓝色起源完成“新谢泼德”号第38次太空飞行贝索斯认为，随着美国人选择减少工作时间，这些生产力的提升可能会导致劳动力短缺。
"Some people will also decide, you know what? I can support my family by working three days a week," he said. "That’s what productivity in the economy means." BLUE ORIGIN LAUNCHES 38TH NEW SHEPHERD FLIGHT INTO SPACE Bezos argued those gains could create a labor shortage as Americans choose to work less.
“实际上，招聘人才将会变得困难，因为经济中的生产力水平将使得人们即使不想打两份工，也不至于被迫如此，”他说。
"It’s going to actually be difficult to hire people because the productivity in the economy is going to make it so that if people don’t want to work two jobs, they won’t have to," he said.
拜尔对这一预测提出了质疑，他指出，自去年年底以来，亚马逊已经裁减了大约3万个企业职位。
Baier challenged that prediction, pointing to roughly 30,000 corporate roles Amazon had cut since late last year.
贝索斯表示，在新冠疫情（COVID-19）期间大幅扩大员工规模之后，亚马逊目前处于一个“非常特殊的地位”。
Bezos said Amazon was in a "very special position" after substantially expanding its workforce during the COVID-19 pandemic.
他承认公众对人工智能（AI）对就业影响的担忧，但表示不同意那些预测情况会更加严峻的人的观点。
He acknowledged public fears about AI’s impact on jobs but said he disagreed with those predicting a more troubling outcome.
在贝索斯担任联合创始人和联合首席执行官的Prometheus公司，他表示，公司的目标是开发一种“通用人工智能工程师”，帮助人们将创意转化为实体产品。
At Prometheus, where Bezos is a co-founder and co-CEO, he said the goal is to develop an "artificial general engineer" that helps people turn ideas into physical products.
“我们将把工具设计得极其易于使用，让任何人都能成为一名工程师，”他说。
"We’re going to make the tools so easy to use that anyone will be able to be an engineer," he said.
贝索斯表示，人工智能可能为整个经济带来两位数的生产力提升。当被问及该行业是否处于投资泡沫中时，他表示“很难判断”，但认为即使投资者亏损，有用的技术仍然能够存活下来。
Bezos said AI could generate double-digit productivity gains across the economy. Asked whether the industry is in an investment bubble, he said it is "very hard to know," but argued that useful technology can survive even when investors lose money.
“当泡沫破裂时，这些发明并不会消失，”他说，并列举了生物技术繁荣时期研发的生命拯救药物以及互联网繁荣时期铺设的光纤电缆作为例子。
"The inventions don’t disappear when the bubble pops," he said, pointing to lifesaving drugs developed during the biotechnology boom and fiber-optic cables laid during the internet boom.
特朗普与中国在人工智能领域的竞赛可能成为我们这个时代最大的失误。关于政府监管，贝索斯呼吁在技术发展初期采取宽松的管理方式，并将规则重点放在有害用途上。
TRUMP'S AI RACE WITH CHINA COULD BECOME THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF OUR TIME On government oversight, Bezos urged a light approach while the technology is developing, with rules focused on harmful uses.
“在技术发展的初期阶段，当技术尚属新兴时，采取宽松的管理方式是合适的，”他说。
"In the beginning stages, when technologies are new, a light hand is appropriate," he said.
“你不想监管刀具，而应该监管谋杀行为，”贝索斯补充道，他认为政策制定者应针对危险的应用和恶意行为者，而不是限制技术本身。
"You don’t want to regulate knives, you want to regulate murder," Bezos added, arguing that policymakers should target dangerous applications and bad actors rather than restrict the underlying technology.
当被问及人们对数据中心和电力成本的担忧时，贝索斯提到了蓝色起源的“日出计划”。他说，该公司已向联邦通信委员会提交申请，计划发射超过5万颗卫星，用作轨道数据中心。
Asked about concerns over data centers and electricity costs, Bezos pointed to Blue Origin’s Project Sunrise. He said the company has an application with the Federal Communications Commission to launch more than 50,000 satellites serving as orbital data centers.
“是的，我们可以在太空中建设数据中心，”他说，“而且这样做有充分的理由。”谈话也转向了政治话题，拜尔询问了佛蒙特州参议员伯尼·桑德斯对亿万富翁的批评。
"Yes, we can put data centers in space," he said. "And there’s a good reason to do that." The conversation also turned to politics, with Baier asking about Sen. Bernie Sanders’, I-Vt., criticism of billionaires.
贝索斯拒绝接受“成功创业就会让人成为反派”的说法，并指出许多企业家在扩大公司的同时创造了就业机会。
Bezos rejected the idea that building a successful business makes someone a villain, pointing to entrepreneurs who expand their companies while creating jobs.
“做出人们喜爱的、品质极佳的炸鸡并没有错，”他提到Raising Cane’s的成功时说道，“这并不会让他成为一个坏人。”当被问及为何社会主义在某些群体中越来越受欢迎时，贝索斯承认确实存在真正的可负担性问题，尤其是住房成本让年轻人难以在就业地附近生活。“你不能假装这些问题不存在，”他说。
"There’s nothing wrong with making unbelievably good chicken that people love," he said, citing the success of Raising Cane’s. "And it doesn’t make him a bad person." Asked why socialism is gaining traction in some quarters, Bezos acknowledged real affordability problems, particularly housing costs that leave young people struggling to live near their jobs. "You can’t pretend that there are no problems," he said.
但他认为，将责任归咎于房东的政客们忽视了供需关系的作用。贝索斯表示，政府政策在补贴需求的同时限制住房建设，只会推高价格，并以奥斯汀为例，说明这座城市的做法让住房建设变得更加容易。他敦促选民仔细审视那些整天忙着指责他人的政客。
But he argued that politicians blaming landlords are overlooking the role of supply and demand. Government policies that subsidize demand while restricting construction drive prices higher, Bezos said, pointing to Austin as an example of a city making it easier to build housing. He urged voters to scrutinize politicians who spend their time assigning blame.
“如果一位政客热衷于挑选反派、指责他人，那很可能意味着他们并没有解决方案，”贝索斯说。他还补充说，如果自己的公司里有高管这样行事，他们也留不久。“这样的人在我们公司也待不了多久。”
"If there’s a politician who’s picking villains and pointing fingers, that probably means they don’t have a solution," Bezos said. He added that executives who behaved that way at his own companies would not last. "Those people wouldn’t be in our company for long."