奥利弗·法里接待了盖伊·波兰，这位前以色列空军军官同时也是‘直面占领’组织的成员。
Oliver Farry welcomes Guy Poran, a former Israeli Air Force officer and member of Mistaclim (Looking the Occupation in the Eye).
波兰认为，10月7日哈马斯对以色列各年龄段平民发动的史无前例的袭击，标志着以色列社会出现了重大裂痕。
Poran sees October 7 as a profound rupture in Israeli society following the unprecedented Hamas attack, which targeted civilians across generations.
他指出，此次事件的责任不可与袭击前的各项政策割裂开来，包括内塔尼亚胡政府对待哈马斯的政策。
He argues that responsibility for the failures cannot be separated from the policies that preceded the attack, including the Netanyahu government's approach toward Hamas.
波兰强调，若没有政治层面的变革，以色列与巴勒斯坦之间的关系便难以修复，实现持久和平的条件也无从谈起，而和平对以色列的未来至关重要。
Without political change, Poran sees little prospect of repairing relations between Israelis and Palestinians or creating the conditions for a lasting peace, which he regards as crucial to Israel's future.