在许多对话中，普遍存在一种观点：欧洲正在落后，或者说陷入了麻烦。
In so many conversations, there's a widespread view that Europe is falling behind. Or it's in trouble.
德拉吉报告发布已有两年，报告中指出的欧洲竞争力问题远未解决：人口挑战、能源成本上升和科技部门滞后仍笼罩着欧洲。
It has been two years since the publication of the Draghi report and the problems the report identified about European competitiveness are far from solved: Demographic challenges, rising energy costs, and a lagging tech sector still cast a shadow over Europe.
但据经济学家兼政策分析师 Dominik Leusder（他也撰写《Leusder of Last Resort》Substack 通讯）称，德拉吉报告可能误判了欧洲问题的真实规模，他质疑关于欧洲衰退的流行叙事是否准确。
But according to the economist and policy analyst Dominik Leusder (who also writes the Leusder of Last Resort Substack) the Draghi report might have mismeasured the true scale of Europe's issues, and he asks if the popular narrative of European decline is an accurate one.
我们还探讨了欧洲是否需要前沿 AI 模型、为何漫长的酒午餐不是衡量生产力的好方式，以及欧洲与中国作为贸易伙伴和竞争对手的复杂关系现状。
We also speak about whether Europe needs a frontier AI model, why long, wine-soaked lunches are not a good way to measure productivity, and the state of Europe's vexed relationship with China as a trade partner and competitor.