亚航联合创始人托尼·费尔南德斯两周前与马来西亚财政部官员会面，讨论政府对东南亚最大廉价航空公司的潜在支持，据三位知情人士透露。
AirAsia co-founder Tony Fernandes met with officials from Malaysia’s finance ministry two weeks ago to discuss potential government support for Southeast Asia’s largest low-cost airline, according to three people with knowledge of the matter.
知情人士称，会谈反映出政府对该国最大国内航空公司财务状况的日益担忧，此前航空燃油价格飙升。
The talks reflect growing government concerns about the financial health of the country’s largest domestic carrier following a spike in jet fuel prices, the people said.
其中两位知情人士表示，讨论集中在政府支持亚航融资工作的前景上，前提是航空公司同意拟议条件，但条件仍在讨论中。拟议条件的细节暂时无法确定。
Discussions centred on the prospect of the government backing AirAsia’s fundraising efforts provided the airline agreed to proposed conditions, which remain under discussion, two of the people said. Details of the proposed conditions could not immediately be determined.
“见面不代表在谈财务援助”托尼·费尔南德斯，亚航联合创始人 费尔南德斯以联合创始人兼顾问身份代表航空公司，在周五的独家采访中表示，他应要求于9月28日当周与马来西亚财政部和交通部官员会面。
Just because I meet them doesn’t mean we’re talking about financial assistanceTony Fernandes, AirAsia co-founder Fernandes, speaking for the airline as its co-founder and adviser, said in an exclusive interview on Friday that he had met with officials from Malaysia’s finance and transport ministries during the week starting September 28 at his request.
他表示，讨论集中在机场费和燃油等航空相关成本上，而非财务援助。
He said the discussions focused on aviation-related costs such as airport charges and fuel, not financial assistance.
“显然，像世界上每家航空公司一样，我们在告诉政府这是一个艰难时期，”他说。
“Obviously, like every airline in the world, we are telling government that this is a tough period,” he said.
“与政府没有讨论过财务援助，”费尔南德斯补充道。“我经常与政府官员会面……见面不代表在谈财务援助。”他表示未向政府寻求帮助，政府也未向他提出关于亚航资金的担忧或提供支持。
“There have been no discussions on financial assistance with the government,” Fernandes added. “I meet with government officials all the time … just because I meet them doesn’t mean we’re talking about financial assistance.”He said he had not approached the government for help, and the government had not raised concerns with him about AirAsia’s funding or offered support.
费尔南德斯表示“100%”有信心亚航能在没有国家援助的情况下度过难关，就像在新冠疫情期间一样。
Fernandes said he was “100 per cent“ confident AirAsia could navigate the situation without state assistance, as it had during the Covid-19 pandemic.
但费尔南德斯表示，如果马来西亚、泰国和印度尼西亚等其运营所在国家的政府提供援助，亚航不会拒绝。“我们永远不会说不。那样做太愚蠢了，”他说。
But Fernandes said AirAsia would not turn away help if offered from any government in the countries where it operates, including Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. “We will never say no to it. We would be foolish to do so,” he said.
他补充说，他之前曾请求政府帮助航空公司从马来西亚银行获得贷款，而不是在海外借贷，他仍在寻求这种支持，因为他更倾向于利率和条款更好的本币贷款。
He added that he had previously asked the government to help the airline secure loans from Malaysian banks rather than borrowing overseas, and still sought such support as he preferred local-currency loans with better interest rates and terms.
据两位知情人士透露，财政部聘请的阿尔顿航空咨询公司的代表也出席了会议，该公司负责评估亏损的亚航的资金需求。马来西亚财政部拒绝置评。交通部和阿尔顿未回应置评请求。
Representatives from Alton Aviation Consultancy, which the finance ministry has hired to assess loss-making AirAsia’s funding needs, also attended the meeting, two of the people with knowledge of the discussions said. Malaysia’s finance ministry declined to comment. The transport ministry and Alton did not respond to requests for comment.
由于美国和以色列对伊朗的战争，航空煤油成本飙升，第二季度较前一季度激增66%，平均达到每桶183美元，该航空公司因此受到冲击。
The airline has been hit by soaring jet fuel costs that surged 66 per cent in the second quarter from the prior quarter to an average of US$183 a barrel, stemming from the US-Israeli war on Iran.
此次会议是在上个月的一份报告之后召开的，据报道，马来西亚政府曾询问马来西亚航空和印尼巴泽航空是否能吸纳亚航的国内市场份额，作为情景规划的一部分，同时当局监控该航空公司的财务状况。第二天，亚航股价暴跌高达21%，接近四年低点。
The meeting followed a report last month that Malaysia’s government had asked Malaysia Airlines and Batik Air whether they could absorb AirAsia’s domestic market share as part of scenario planning while authorities monitor the carrier’s financial health. AirAsia’s shares fell as much as 21 per cent to near four-year lows the next day.
据两位知情人士称，政府对亚航的财务状况日益担忧，因为其疲软会对航空连通性、旅游业以及马来西亚机场控股等相关国有企业产生连锁影响。
The government has grown increasingly concerned about AirAsia’s financial position because of the knock-on effects its weakness would have on air connectivity, tourism and related businesses such as state-linked airport operator Malaysia Airports Holdings, said two of the people.
根据费尔南德斯的说法，亚航控制着马来西亚国内航空市场约60%的份额，雇佣了26,000名员工。截至6月30日，该航空公司拥有9.54亿林吉特（2.3365亿美元）的现金和银行存款，以及184亿林吉特的流动负债。
AirAsia controls about 60 per cent of Malaysia’s domestic aviation market and employs 26,000 people, according to Fernandes. The airline had cash and bank balances of 954 million ringgit (US$233.65 million) and current liabilities of 18.4 billion ringgit as of June 30.
与政府官员的会面是在费尔南德斯于9月28日在亚航总部举行的公司全体大会之后进行的，当时他告诉员工，航空公司将克服当前的困难，两位知情人士如是说。
The meeting with government officials followed a company town hall Fernandes held on September 28 at AirAsia’s headquarters, where he told staff that the airline would overcome its current difficulties, two of the people said.
费尔南德斯表示，他曾告诉员工，这是所有航空公司都面临的艰难时期。“我们以前经历过许多艰难时期。我们将变得更强大。”他回忆道。“这次与新冠疫情的最大区别是，我们实际上还能飞行。”9月18日的新闻发布会上，他说政府方面没有进行任何讨论，该航空公司拥有“强劲的流动性”，“我们不需要救援、救助或其他任何形式的帮助”。
Fernandes said he had told employees it was a tough time for all airlines. “We’ve been through many tough times before. We will come out of it stronger,” he recalled saying. “The big difference between this and Covid is we can actually fly.”At a press conference on September 18, he said there had been no discussions with the government, the carrier had “strong liquidity” and “we do not need rescue, bailout, whatever”.
亚航截至6月30日的第二季度净亏损为8.31亿令吉，受更高的喷气燃油成本和3.31亿令吉的外汇损失影响。
AirAsia reported a net loss of 831 million ringgit for the second quarter ended June 30, hit by higher jet fuel costs and foreign-exchange losses of 331 million ringgit.
该航空公司表示，其目标是从国际债券市场筹集高达10亿美元，并获得7亿令吉的本地信贷额度，主要用于再融资现有债务。其股价今年已跌超70%。
The airline has said it is targeting up to US$1 billion from international debt markets plus 700 million ringgit in local credit facilities, primarily to refinance existing debt. Its stock has lost more than 70 per cent of its value this year.
费尔南德斯周五表示，他预计这10亿美元的融资将在12月至2月之间完成，其中一半将用于再融资高成本贷款，其余用于流动资金和偿付“延伸负债”。费尔南德斯表示，亚航正在为12个月的高油价做预算，且尚未看到需求削弱，尽管喷气燃油价格已升至每桶200美元，但客座率仍保持在80%以上。
Fernandes said on Friday he expected the US$1 billion fundraising to be completed between December and February, with half used to refinance expensive loans and the rest for working capital and paying off “extended liabilities.”Fernandes said AirAsia was budgeting for 12 months of high oil prices and had yet to see demand weaken, with the percentage of seats filled above 80 per cent even though jet fuel prices had risen as high as US$200 a barrel.
“超过200美元每桶的情况尚未经过考验，”他说。“届时，它将导致需求破坏。我不确定那个临界点在哪里。”
“Above US$200, it hasn’t been tested yet,” he said. “At some point, it will create demand destruction. I’m not sure where that point is.”