参议员布赖恩·沙茨警告称，如果民主党在下个月的选举中大获全胜，那将是因为唐纳德·特朗普总统——而民主党将需要努力制定议程，以留住选民。
Sen. Brian Schatz cautioned that if Democrats win big in next month’s elections, it would be because of President Donald Trump — and Democrats will need to work hard to come up with an agenda to keep voters on their side.
“外面正在发生的事情并非我们找到了正确的口号或信息传递技巧，让人们给我们机会，而是唐纳德·特朗普本人就是我们最好的传声筒，”沙茨在《华盛顿太阳报播客》最新一期节目中说。特朗普“算是把人们赶到了我们怀里，如果人们给我们机会，我们应该明白，我们有点像‘备胎男友’。”“他们会给我们一次初次约会的机会。他们不是想跟我们结婚。他们只是被迫投入我们怀抱，”沙茨说。
“What’s happening out there in the world is not that we unlocked the proper slogan or messaging technique to make sure that people give us a chance, but rather that Donald Trump himself is our best messenger,” Schatz said on the latest episode of The Washington Sun Cast. Trump “has sort of driven people into our arms, and if people give us a chance, we should understand that we’re sort of the rebound boyfriend.”“They’re going to give us a first date. They’re not trying to marry us. They are just sort of being forced into our arms,” Schatz said.
沙茨明年极有可能成为参议院民主党二号人物，他表示民主党将不得不证明自己配得上选民未来的支持。
Schatz, the likely No. 2 Senate Democrat next year, said Democrats will have to prove that they are worthy of their future support.
“现在我们基本上必须在未来几年里‘成交’，让人们安下心来想：‘好吧，我对共和党很愤怒，我不喜欢我正在经历的经济状况，我不喜欢这么多腐败，我给这些家伙个机会，’”沙茨说。“然后我们在运用这份权力时，必须非常审慎、非常精准、非常谦逊。”沙茨表示，民主党控制参议院后的“头等大事”将是施加影响力结束伊朗战争，随后是恢复对医疗补助计划和补充营养援助计划的削减。
“Now we have to essentially close the deal over another couple of years, where people settle into, ‘OK. I’m pissed off at the Republicans, I don’t like what I’m going through economically, I don’t like all this corruption, I’ll give these guys a chance,’” Schatz said. “Then we have to be very judicious, very precise, very humble about what we do with that power.”Schatz said “job one” in a Democratic-controlled Senate would be exerting leverage to end the war in Iran, followed by restoring cuts to Medicaid and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
“我认为人们会投出分裂政府的票，所以我们需要认识到，这意味着我们将对该政府的过度行为以及共和党统一控制华盛顿的过度行为形成制衡，”沙茨说。
“I think people will have voted for divided government, and so we need to recognize that what that means is that we’re going to be a check against the excesses of this administration and the excesses of unified control, Republican control of Washington,” Schatz said.
沙茨敦促对弹劾特朗普或其内阁成员等事项采取“周密的方法”，即使存在可供追究的可弹劾罪行。
Schatz urged a “planful approach” to things like impeaching Trump or members of his Cabinet, even if there are impeachable offenses to pursue.
“例如，第三次弹劾总统，然后看着他在参议院未被定罪，这在情感上可能会让人满足10秒钟，”沙茨说。“但我不确定这能给我们带来什么。”“我认为当前的问题是，如何以一种能给人民他们所要求的东西的方式来行使这一庄严的责任和权力，那就是减缓所有这些腐败和疯狂，”沙茨说。
“It might be emotionally satisfying for 10 seconds, for instance, to impeach the president a third time and then have him be not convicted in the Senate,” Schatz said. “But I’m not sure what that would get us.”“I think the question at hand is how do you use that solemn responsibility and power in a way that gives the people what they’ve been asking for, which is to slow down all this corruption and all this madness,” Schatz said.
沙茨表示，国会的民主党多数派应当利用拨款程序来重塑联邦政府的发展轨迹。
Schatz said that a Democratic majority in Congress should instead use the appropriations process to reshape the trajectory of the federal government.
“我们已经起草好了限制行政首脑的立法文本，我认为如果我们掌权，这将成为完成拨款工作过程的一部分，”沙茨说。“我只是认为，我们必须运用这些权力，不是为了惩罚任何特定个人，而是为了重新校准事物，使政府本身得到稳定。”鉴于一些民主党候选人呼吁更换领导层，沙茨表示，他仍预计参议院民主党领袖舒默将寻求继续担任党团领袖。
“We already got the legislative text written to constrain the chief executive, and I think if we take power, that’s going to be part of the process of getting appropriations done,” Schatz said. “I just think we have to use those powers not to punish anyone in particular but to kind of recalibrate things so that the government itself is stabilized.”With some Democratic candidates having called for a change in leadership, Schatz said he still expects Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer to pursue another session atop the caucus.
“我不是他的发言人，”沙茨说。“我正试图履行党鞭的职责，但我不是在为他拉票，那是他的工作，”沙茨说。
“I’m not his spokesperson,” Schatz said. “I’m trying to be the whip, but I’m not whipping for him, that’s his job,” Schatz said.
沙茨还表示，他“没有任何迹象”表明参议员费特曼（民主党-宾夕法尼亚州）正在考虑转党，此前费特曼曾对关于他是否会成为党团第51票的问题不予置评。沙茨说，他将继续“反复核实每个人都是联盟的一部分”。
Schatz also said he has “no indication” that Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pennsylvania) is considering changing parties after he recently brushed off a question about being the caucus’ 51st vote. Schatz said he will continue to “double check that everybody’s part of the coalition.
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