Frances Haugen blew the whistle at Facebook, and is now the focus of "The Social Reckoning." Brittany Kaiser sounded the alarm on Cambridge Analytica in 2018. They speak to Christiane Amanpour about the risks of coming forward.

THOSE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. LET ME START WITH YOU. LET ME START WITH YOU. FRANCES HAUGEN, JUST TO REMIND US HOW BOLD IT WAS AND HOW SCARY IT WAS TO GO AGAINST THIS MIGHTY COMPANY. FACEBOOK. WHEN YOU DID, TO TELL THE WORLD TO TRY TO TELL THE WORLD SOME OF THE DANGERS THAT WERE INHERENT IN THEIR PROCEDURES >> BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON A BIG TECH COMPANY IS A REALLY COMPLICATED THING. PROBABLY THE LARGEST BARRIER THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO JUMP OVER BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN CONSIDER GOING TO THE PUBLIC IS BEING CONFIDENT THAT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IS REAL.

YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY THESE CULTURES GET SO TOXIC IS THAT THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF STORIES THAT GET TOLD INSIDE THE COMPANY ABOUT WHY THINGS HAVE TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE. ALL COMPANIES HAVE THIS PROBLEM. WHATEVER THE RATIONALE IS FOR WHY IT IS, CHANGE IS NOT NECESSARY. AND SO BEING ABLE TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT THE THING THAT YOU SEE AND THE THING THAT YOU'RE PRETTY CERTAIN OF IS REAL IS A REALLY HARD THING.

AND I STRUGGLED WITH THAT FOR A LONG TIME. AND UNTIL THEY DISSOLVED THE CIVIC INTEGRITY TEAM, SO THE TEAM I WORKED ON WITHIN FACEBOOK THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING FACEBOOK SAFE FOR ELECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, I WAS ABLE TO JUSTIFY A LOT OF THE THINGS I HEARD.

BUT ONCE THEY DISSOLVED THE TEAM, THAT'S WHEN I KNEW THE PUBLIC WAS GOING TO NEED TO STEP IN. IF FACEBOOK WAS EVER GOING TO CHANGE. >> UM, BEFORE I TURN TO BRITTANY, I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE, FRANCES, BECAUSE YOU WERE A TRUE BELIEVER. YOU BELIEVED IN ALL THE GOOD THAT FACEBOOK WAS PROMOTING ITSELF, CONNECTING PEOPLE, DOING ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT YOUR MAIN ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC, I WANT TO LIST THEM IN THE INTERNAL REPORTS AND STUDIES YOU OBTAINED. IT SHOWS THAT FACEBOOK'S ALGORITHM ENCOURAGED POLITICAL PARTIES AROUND THE WORLD TO EMBRACE EXTREMIST IDEAS, DRUG TRAFFICKERS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKERS OPENLY WERE USING FACEBOOK'S SERVICES.

INSTAGRAM INCREASED RATES OF DEPRESSION AND EATING DISORDERS, AND HOW THE SWITCH TO PRIORITIZE SOMETHING CALLED M SI MEANINGFUL SOCIAL INTERACTIONS. IN 2018 HAD HUGE CONSEQUENCES FOR SOME USERS. WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS TO YOUR INTERNAL COLLEAGUES OR SUPERVISORS, WHAT DID THEY SAY?

AND WHAT IS FACEBOOK'S POSITION ON THESE ITEMS THAT I JUST LISTED? >> SO WHEN I WORKED INSIDE THE COMPANY, I WORKED WITHIN A MUCH SMALLER SCOPE THAN THAT GIANT UMBRELLA OF AREAS OF MISDEEDS. I FOCUSED PRIMARILY WITHIN OUR THREAT INTELLIGENCE ORG, WHICH WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF SPECIALISTS, A LOT OF THEM EX-GOVERNMENT THAT WORKED ON SPYING, THINGS LIKE FOREIGN ACTORS INTERFERING WITH POLITICAL PROCESSES AROUND THE WORLD, FOREIGN ACTORS COMMITTING ESPIONAGE. THAT WAS MY SPECIFIC TEAM. UM, OR BEFORE THAT, I WORKED ON TARGETED MISINFORMATION WHEN I RAISED CONCERNS TO MY EMPLOYER ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I WAS LEARNING.

SO WE DID, UM, WE WORKED A LOT WITH RESEARCHERS WHO WERE ACTIVELY FIRSTHAND ON THE GROUND STUDYING ETHNIC VIOLENCE ISSUES RELATED TO SOCIAL MEDIA IN PLACES LIKE AFRICAN COUNTRIES, PLACES LIKE SOUTHEAST ASIA. UM, WE WERE TOLD, WELL, WE'RE DOING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD IS DOING. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LOTS OF THESE STORIES. WE CAN'T HIRE ANY MORE PEOPLE.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY BIG COMPANY TO HIRE IN SILICON VALLEY. THERE WERE ALWAYS EXCUSES FOR WHY IT WAS MORE COULDN'T BE DONE. UM, AND SO I THINK THE SENSE OF LEARNED HELPLESSNESS, UM, IS, IS A COPING MECHANISM WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SUPPORT FROM ABOVE TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE BIG MESSY PROBLEMS. >> YEAH.

BRITTANY KAISER, YOU WERE THE WHISTLEBLOWER FOR CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA. THERE WAS A CASE WHEN YOU CAME FORWARD ABOUT THEM HARVESTING AND USING PERSONAL DATA FROM MILLIONS OF FACEBOOK USER PROFILES TO ALLEGEDLY INFLUENCE THE OUTCOMES OF THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE US AND BREXIT. NOW, FACEBOOK APPARENTLY WAS AWARE OF THIS. I'LL SAY THEIR THEIR DENIAL AND ALL THE REST OF IT IN A MINUTE. BUT WHAT ENABLED YOU TO COME FORWARD?

WHAT WAS THE BREAKING POINT FOR YOU? >> THE BREAKING POINT FOR ME WAS SEEING THE PRESENTATION POST THE 2016 ELECTIONS, ON WHAT THE CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA TEAM HAD DONE, THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED, THE WAY THAT INDIVIDUALS WERE GROUPED AND TARGETED, SOME SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO NOT TURN OUT FOR ELECTIONS. SO IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT NOT ONLY WERE THERE DATA PROTECTION AND PRIVACY ISSUES WHERE DATA WAS BEING COLLECTED WITHOUT EXPLICIT CONSENT FROM FACEBOOK USERS AND THEN USED TO TARGET ELECTIONS, BUT ALSO THAT IT BECAME VERY EASY FOR OUR FOREIGN ADVERSARIES TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS IN ORDER TO INTERVENE IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES. >> NOW, A NEW MEXICO JURY RECENTLY FOUND THAT META, AS IT'S NOW CALLED, HAD MISLED USERS ABOUT FACEBOOK'S DATA PRACTICES, FAILING TO DISCLOSE THAT IT SOLD USER DATA TO OUTSIDE PARTIES, AS YOU'VE JUST EXPLAINED.

NOW, THE META SPOKESMAN HAS SAID THE COMPANY DISAGREES WITH THIS VERDICT AND WOULD CONTINUE TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST WHAT IT SAYS ARE EFFORTS TO DISTORT ITS RECORD. THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO SAY IN THIS CASE.

SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE GOING THROUGH THIS WHISTLEBLOWER PROCESS >> FOR ZEPHYR, BRITTANY OR ME?

WE BOTH WE BOTH. >> SORRY, BRITTANY. BRITTANY. BRITTANY. BRITTANY. BRITTANY. >> BRITTANY. >> YEAH.

UNDERTAKING THE WHISTLEBLOWING PROCESS AGAINST UNDERTAKING A WHISTLEBLOWING PROCESS AGAINST MULTIPLE LARGE COMPANIES, AS WELL AS DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN ELECTIONS PROCESSES THAT WERE CLIENTS OF MY FORMER EMPLOYER WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE SCARIEST THINGS I'VE EVER DONE. AS WHISTLEBLOWERS. WE CALL IT A CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE MOMENT WHERE YOU KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS EVIDENCE AND IS WILLING TO TAKE AN ACTION AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO YOU JUMP OFF A CLIFF WITHOUT KNOWING IF YOU HAVE A PARACHUTE AND YOU DIVE DEEP WITH INVESTIGATORS, LEGISLATORS, REGULATORS, JOURNALISTS, ANYONE THAT'S REALLY WILLING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I DID 27 DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS, OVER 50 DIFFERENT LAWSUITS SINCE, AND NOTHING HAS GOTTEN BETTER. IN FACT, IN THE AGE OF AI OR SUPERINTELLIGENCE, A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT FRANCES AND I IDENTIFIED IN OUR WHISTLEBLOWING PROCESSES HAVE BECOME EXPONENTIALLY WORSE, ESPECIALLY DATA PROTECTION AND NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES THAT ARE CAUSED BY THESE TECHNOLOGY PLATFORMS. >> AND WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, SUPERINTELLIGENCE OF 3 OR 5 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE AI WAKES UP TO BE DANGEROUS, THE AI OF RIGHT NOW IS ENOUGH TO RUN FOREIGN INTERFERENCE OPERATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED IN 2016. >> WELL, TO ME, THAT'S THE POINT OF I GUESS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE POINT OF THIS FILM, OF YOUR WHISTLEBLOWING AND ME TALKING TO YOU, BECAUSE CLEARLY WE'VE HAD THE WHOLE ISSUE OF SOCIAL MEDIA BEING UNREGULATED, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF AI BEING UNREGULATED, AND IT'S EXPONENTIALLY MORE DANGEROUS. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE YOU WERE A CONSULTANT, FRANCES, ON THE AARON SORKIN FILM, MIKEY MADISON PLAYS YOU. I WONDER HOW YOU THOUGHT SHE PORTRAYED YOU, BUT ALSO YOUR EARNESTNESS ABOUT GETTING THIS OUT. AND JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COLLABORATION WITH THE JOURNALIST IN THIS CASE, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, WHO REALLY GOT YOUR STORY OUT. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

SO EVERY FILM IS AN ADAPTION OR EVERY, YOU KNOW, INSPIRED BY A TRUE STORY. FILM IS AN ADAPTATION. UM, AND ADAPTIONS REQUIRE CREATIVE CHOICES. ONE OF THE CREATIVE CHOICES THAT I, THAT AARON MADE, I THINK IS STRATEGICALLY THE RIGHT ONE, WHICH IS THAT HE IN MANY WAYS CHANGED A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH ME. SO I'M, I'M ALMOST SIX FEET TALL AND FIVE, 11 I WAS MUCH BLONDER WHEN I WAS IN THE AGE WHERE I WAS DOING THIS WHISTLE BLOWING. I WAS A NATIONALLY COMPETITIVE DEBATER IN HIGH SCHOOL. I COACHED FOR FOUR YEARS IN COLLEGE. UM, THE CHARACTER THAT IS PORTRAYED ON SCREEN IS MUCH SMALLER, BOTH IN PHYSICALITY, BUT ALSO SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE STUMBLES OVER HER WORDS AT THE BEGINNING, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TO HAVE A COMPELLING MOVIE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S EXCITING TO WATCH. YOU NEED TO HAVE CHARACTER GROWTH. YOU NEED TO SEE THE CHANGE AND YOU GET TO SEE THE FRANCES HAUGEN CHARACTER GO ON THAT JOURNEY AND COME OUT OF IT. I THINK A MORE EMPOWERED PERSON, LIKE A PERSON WHO IS MORE EXCITED ABOUT LIFE. AND THE THING THAT I THOUGHT THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING IN TERMS OF LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE JOURNALIST, THIS IS LIKE ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS WHEN I STARTED WORKING WITH JEFF, UH, THERE WERE THINGS THAT I KNEW FOR SURE, LIKE THERE WERE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON POLITICAL PARTIES REPORTING THAT THEY HAD INTENTIONALLY CHANGED POLITICAL POSITIONS. THEY PROMOTED BECAUSE THEY WERE EASIER TO DISTRIBUTE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AFTER THE MSI CHANGE. UM, YOU KNOW WHAT WE GOT TO CHOOSE IN THE BALLOT BOX WAS ALREADY INFLUENCED BY FACEBOOK, BY PEOPLE IN MENLO PARK BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO VOTE. UM, BUT SO THERE'S SOME THINGS I KNEW FOR SURE, BUT THERE WERE LOTS OF THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW. AND THE MOVIE DOES AN AMAZING JOB OF CAPTURING THE JOY OF DISCOVERY, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS YOU FIND THE PUZZLE PIECES, HOW DO YOU FIT THEM TOGETHER?

THAT TEAMWORK AND THAT KIND OF, UM, THAT, THAT JOINT PROCESS OF CREATION. AND I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD WHISTLEBLOWER AND JOURNALIST RELATIONSHIP, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT GETS UNLOCKED BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF INFORMATION AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF INSIGHTS. AND TOGETHER, YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE MUCH MORE COMPLETELY. >> I WANT TO PLAY, UM, A BIT OF THE TESTIMONY BY, UH, BY YOURSELF IN FRONT OF CONGRESS, THE REAL LIFE YOU TALKING TO THE SENATORS ABOUT MARK ZUCKERBERG AND WHAT WAS GOING ON?

LET'S JUST PLAY THIS. >> MARK HAS BUILT AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS VERY METRICS DRIVEN. THAT IS IT IS INTENDED TO BE FLAT. THERE IS NO UNILATERAL RESPONSIBILITY. THE METRICS MAKE THE DECISION, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ITSELF IS A DECISION. AND IN THE END, IF HE IS THE CEO AND THE CHAIRMAN OF FACEBOOK, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DECISIONS. >> THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM. >> SO SHORTLY THEREAFTER, A FEW YEARS AFTER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK IS NOW META. LISTEN TO THIS RESEARCH FROM PEW LAST YEAR FOUND THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE OF AMERICANS HAD AN UNFAVORABLE OPINION OF MARK ZUCKERBERG.

AND WE SEE IN THE FILM JEREMY STRONG PLAYING HIM AND HIS INTERNAL TEAM, TRYING TO HUMANIZE HIM FOR COURT AND CONGRESSIONAL APPEARANCES. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HIM, FRANCIS, IN TERMS OF HIS CARE FOR THE EFFECT ON THE PUBLIC, THE COMMONS, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WE SEE JEREMY STRONG PLAYING WHAT ESSENTIALLY APPEARS TO BE SOMEBODY NOW FOCUSED ONLY ON WINNING AND ON THE ON ON THE AND ON THE BOTTOM LINE. >> SO MARK IS IN A VERY UNIQUE POSITION FOR ALMOST ANY HUMAN IN THE WORLD IN THAT HE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE KING OF FACEBOOK SINCE HE WAS 19 YEARS OLD.

SO HE HOLDS MORE THAN HALF THE VOTING SHARES FOR THE COMPANY, WHICH ALLOWS HIM TO BE BOTH THE CEO AND THE CHAIRMAN. THE ONLY OPINION THAT REALLY MATTERS IS HIS OPINION. I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY HIS POPULARITY NUMBERS ARE SO POOR.

SO FOR CONTEXT, AT THE HEIGHT OF DOGE IN 2025, WHEN PEOPLE WERE KEEN, TESLAS, WHEN PEOPLE WERE PROTESTING IN THE STREETS ABOUT ELON MUSK, HIS POPULARITY NUMBERS WERE STILL BETTER THAN MARK ZUCKERBERG'S, WHICH IS WILD. UM, I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HAVE SUCH AN EMOTIONAL REACTION TO MARK AND SUCH DISPLEASURE WITH HIM IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF LARGE SCANDALS LIKE CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA IS ONE OF THE LARGER ONES, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE.

BEYOND THAT, I THINK THE MOST RECENT AROUND THE CREEPER GLASSES. SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE AUGMENTED REALITY GLASSES WITH THE LITTLE CAMERAS IN THEM. UM, IT IS SEEMED LIKE HE HAS NOT LEARNED OR LIKE NOT INCORPORATED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THEY RECENTLY LAUNCHED A SECOND VERSION OF THE GLASSES DON'T HAVE A CAMERA. SO YOU HAVE A CAMERA VERSION, A NO CAMERA VERSION. A JOURNALIST ASKED HIM LIKE, WOW, LIKE WE NOTICE YOU NOW HAVE A VERSION THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SPY ON THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR FRIENDS?

UM, IS IT LIKE YOU FINALLY ARE LIKE INTEGRATING SOME OF THAT PRIVACY FEEDBACK? AND HE SAID COMPLETELY WITH NO SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS, NO, NO, NO, IT'S SO MUCH CHEAPER. LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO WANT A CHEAPER PRODUCT. WHEN YOU GET RID OF THE CAMERA, THE FRAMES LOOK JUST LIKE NORMAL GLASSES, LIKE IT. IT, IT REALLY CONCERNED ME WHEN IT COMES TO AI, BECAUSE IF HE, HE'S EITHER NOT BEING TOLD THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC OR HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE PERSON WHO GETS TO DIRECT ONE OF THE MAJOR FRONTIER AI LABS WHO IS NOT TAKING SERIOUSLY THE IMPLICATIONS OF FRONTIER TECHNOLOGY, THAT'S A SERIOUS RISK FOR ALL OF US >> UM, BRITTANY, YOU BOTH, AS I SAID, LAUNCHED A WHISTLEBLOWER INITIATIVE.

SO LET'S FAST FORWARD TO SOME OF WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT, OR STAY IN THE REAL PRESENT ABOUT THE REAL DANGER OF AI WITHOUT THE HUMAN CONTROL. UM, DO YOU THINK ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN OR HEARD, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AI TECH GIANTS TESTIFYING, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE SOCIAL MEDIA COURT CASES AND THINGS THAT HAVE RULED AGAINST THEM.

DO YOU THINK THAT THERE LOOKS TO BE A WAY TO GOVERN AI IN A WAY THAT SOCIAL MEDIA WAS NOT? >> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH AI OR SUPERINTELLIGENCE IS THAT THESE PLATFORMS AND MODELS ARE COLLECTING EXPONENTIALLY MORE DATA THAN SOCIAL MEDIA WAS ABLE TO. THEREFORE, THEY CAN MORE CHEAPLY, MORE QUICKLY AND MORE EASILY TARGET PEOPLE. AND THAT MEANS NOT JUST ANYONE. IT MEANS ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, AHEAD OF THE MIDTERMS, AMERICANS AND TARGET OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES. IT IS VERY EASY FOR OUR FOREIGN ADVERSARIES TO SPREAD DISINFORMATION AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE MORE THAN EVER BEFORE. AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS MORE AND MORE IN OPENAI AND X. BOTH HAVE IDENTIFIED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FAKE ACCOUNTS FUNDED BY CHINA THAT WERE SPREADING DISINFORMATION SPECIFICALLY AGAINST AI AND THE BUILDING OF DATA CENTERS. I THINK THIS ESPECIALLY IS A HUGE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT ALLOWS MORE OF OUR DATA TO BE PROCESSED BY OUR FOREIGN ADVERSARIES, AND FOR US TO USE OPEN SOURCE CHINESE MODELS AND GIVE AWAY OUR DATA AND PROCESS OUR DATA ABROAD. SO THESE ISSUES, RIGHT AHEAD OF THE MIDTERMS ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO THE BALLOT BOX. DO WE HAVE LEGISLATORS AND FUTURE POLITICIANS THAT DO CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND ARE GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON IT? DO THEY HAVE THAT IN THEIR POLICY PLATFORM? EVERYONE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU GO AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 3rd. >> AND WE'VE GOT IN OUR LAST ONE MINUTE.

I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH TO QUICKLY OPINE, IS THIS EVER GOING TO BE PASTE PAUSED, GOVERNED?

UNLESS YOU GET WORLD LEADERS, LET'S JUST SAY PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND XI TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME KIND OF ARMS CONTROL AGREEMENT, FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD. UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? QUICKLY, BRITTANY, AND THEN I'LL ASK FRANCIS >> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAYS TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING PRIVACY CENTRIC AI SOLUTIONS LIKE CONFIDENTIAL COMPUTING, WHICH I'M WORKING ON EVERY DAY, THAT ALLOWS US TO USE AI OR SUPERINTELLIGENCE WITHOUT GIVING AWAY ANY OF OUR DATA.

IT'S AN ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGY THAT MEANS WE CAN OWN IT FROM END TO END. SO WE CAN STILL USE ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT SUPERINTELLIGENCE WILL BRING TO OURSELVES, OUR FAMILIES, OUR COMPANIES. BUT WE NEVER GIVE AWAY THAT INFORMATION THAT ALLOWS US TO BE VULNERABLE AND TARGETED. >> I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE INTERNATIONAL UNIFIED ACTION UNTIL THERE'S SOME KIND OF REALLY BAD CONSEQUENCE.

YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A BIG BREAKING STORY ABOUT THE BIG AI LABS, WARGAMING, MAJOR PROBLEMS TO WATER, AIR BANKING, THAT KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOING. I THINK IT WILL GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN IT BECOMES EVIDENT WITH THE LEVEL OF CONSEQUENCES, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE LITTLE BITS OF TECHNOLOGY, LIKE CHIPS THAT SUPERVISE CHIPS. UM, THAT MAY ALLOW US TO PUT IN PLACE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. >> WE NEED TO HAVE A LONGER