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罗根警告:特朗普选民因伊朗战争感到被背叛,“没有轻松的出路”Rogan warns Trump's voters feel betrayed by Iran war with 'no easy way out'

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播客主持人乔·罗根在最近一期播客节目中批评了总统唐纳德·特朗普。(罗根照片来自克里斯·昂格/Zuffa LLC/特朗普照片来自温·麦克纳米/盖蒂图片社)Podcaster Joe Rogan criticized President Donald Trump during a recent episode of his podcast. (Rogan photo from Chris Unger/Zuffa LLC/Trump photo from Win McNamee/Getty Images)

播客主持人乔·罗根周三与演员迈克尔·道格拉斯讨论了伊朗战争,认为这场冲突让支持总统唐纳德·特朗普的人感到愤怒,他们投票给他部分原因正是因为他承诺避免发动新战争。

Podcaster Joe Rogan discussed the war in Iran with actor Michael Douglas on Wednesday, arguing that the conflict has angered supporters of President Donald Trump, who voted for him in part because of his promises to avoid new wars.

“我完全不喜欢这场伊朗战争,无论以何种方式、形态或形式,”罗根说。“这对我们毫无意义。看来事情正在失控。他们一直试图让每一位总统,包括特朗普在其第一个任期内,都这么做,”罗根在他的播客中说。

"I do not like this Iran war in any way, shape, or form," Rogan said. "It doesn't make any sense for us. It seems like it's getting really out of hand. They were trying to get every single president, including Trump in his first term, to do this," Rogan said on his podcast.

道格拉斯既是犹太人,也是支持以色列的民主党人,他同意认为这场冲突是一个错误。

Douglas, who is both Jewish and a pro-Israel Democrat, agreed that the conflict was a mistake.

罗根说特朗普“把事情搞砸了”,可能因不受欢迎的伊朗战争在2028年把国家交还给民主党人:“现在我们已经这么做了,很明显这是一个巨大的泥潭。很明显没有简单的出路。这不好,”罗根说。

ROGAN SAYS TRUMP ‘F---ED IT UP,’ MAY HAVE HANDED COUNTRY BACK TO THE DEMS IN 2028 WITH UNPOPULAR IRAN WAR "Now we've done it, and it's very clear it's a giant quagmire. It's very clear there's no easy way out. Not good," Rogan said.

“还有很多人坚持认为这件事必须发生,认为伊朗是世界上最大的国家恐怖主义资助国,他们所做的就是,你知道的,为这些势力提供资金和武器,让他们去——去实施这些恐怖袭击。我确信其中很多是真的。”

"And there's still a lot of people that insist that it had to happen, that Iran was the greatest funder of state terrorism in the world and that what they were doing was, you know, funding and arming these forces and having them do these — to commit these terrorist attacks. And I'm sure a lot of that's true."

“我同意,”道格拉斯说,他指出自己对利雅得机场遭袭后冲突扩大的担忧,并将其比作对美国主要机场的袭击。随后这位演员补充道:“考虑到我们西方情报和以色列的情报能力,我惊讶我们竟然没有更好地掌握局势。”

"I concur," Douglas said, noting his concern about the expansion of the conflict following an attack on an airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which he compared to attacks on major U.S. airports. The actor then added, "I'm surprised with all of our Western intelligence and Israelis’ intelligence that we have not had a better handle on the situation."

罗根回应了对特朗普政府被说服认为冲突将是轻松胜利的批评,他说:“好吧,看吧,显然我不擅长国际关系,但我认为他们描绘的事态发展图景甚至远不准确。”

Rogan responded to criticism that the Trump administration had been persuaded the conflict would be an easy victory, saying, "Well, look, obviously I'm not an expert on international relations, but I don't think the picture that they painted of how this was going to go down was even remotely accurate."

“是啊,”道格拉斯同意。在罗根回忆起伊朗对抗议者的镇压和大规模逮捕后,道格拉斯表示有“数万人”被捕,并似乎暗示战争是由以色列挑起的。

"Yeah," Douglas agreed. After Rogan recalled Iran’s crackdowns on protesters and mass arrests, Douglas said there have been "tens of thousands" of arrests and appeared to suggest the war was instigated by Israel.

“我认为这是以色列挑起的,因为他们掌握了这些关键伊朗领导人将全部聚在一起的情报,并被说服我们应当将他们全部消灭。我们可以推翻这一切,是啊,结果并非如此,”这位演员说。

"I think it was instigated by Israel by the fact that they had information that these key Iranian leaders would all be together and were persuaded that we take them all out. We can turn it over and, yeah, didn't turn out that way," the actor said.

“我不知道他们是如何说服特朗普这么做的,”罗根说。”但我知道在任何国际冲突中,我确信即便是在越南战争期间,即便是在人们某种程度上知道东京湾事件是胡说之后,仍然肯定有人今天在为越南战争辩护,”罗根说,他指的是美国声称在1964年8月4日越南海域的 Maddox 号驱逐舰遭到袭击,这一事件导致冲突升级。”

"I don't know how they convinced Trump to do it," Rogan said. "I do know that in any international conflict, I'm sure even during Vietnam, even after people kind of knew the Gulf of Tonkin was horses---, there was I'm sure there's people even today that defend the Vietnam War," Rogan said, referring to U.S. claims of an attack on the U.S.S. Maddox in the waters off Vietnam on Aug. 4, 1964 that escalated the conflict.

“你们会得到支持这场战争的人,” 他继续说道。”但我认为,美国大多数人觉得,当我们投票给特朗普时,我们所投票的事情之一就是‘不再打仗’。停止这种该死的事。就像疯了一样。

"You're going to get people that support this war," he continued. "But I think the majority of the United States felt like one of the things that we were voting for when we voted for Trump is, ‘No more wars.’Stop this s---. Like it's crazy.

“你知道,当我回忆起他一次演讲或一次采访时,有人问他关于乌克兰的问题。‘你希望乌克兰获胜吗?你希望俄罗斯获胜吗?’他说,‘我只是希望人们不要再死了。’而大多数基于这一点投票给他的人现在对正在进行的新战争感到非常愤怒。” FOX NEWS 民意调查:选民反对伊朗战争,看到长期承诺 “是啊,是啊,” 道格拉斯同意。

"You know, when I remember one of his speeches or one of his interviews, someone was asking him about Ukraine. ‘Do you want Ukraine to win? Do you want Russia to win?’And he said, ‘I just want people to stop dying.’And most people who voted for him based on that feel very upset that there's a new war going on." FOX NEWS POLL: VOTERS OPPOSE THE IRAN WAR, SEE PROLONGED COMMITMENT "Yeah, yeah," Douglas agreed.

罗根还承认,专家们已经警告过伊朗导弹产量的增加以及该国获得核武器的危险。

Rogan also acknowledged that experts have warned about Iran's increasing missile production and the dangers of the country acquiring a nuclear weapon.

昆西研究所的联合创始人兼执行副总裁特里塔·帕尔西接受了福克斯新闻数字频道的采访,谈到了罗根的言论。

Trita Parsi, the co-founder and executive vice president of the Quincy Institute, spoke to Fox News Digital about Rogan’s comments.

“我完全同意特朗普决定对伊朗发动战争这一举措深深挫伤了他2024年联盟中的反战派,而且要重新赢得他们回来将极其困难。”他说。“他如此明确承诺的内容——不再打仗——与他所交付的内容——中东另一场不服务于美国利益的自选战争——之间的差距不可能再大了。”

"I fully agree that Trump's decision to start a war with Iran has deeply frustrated the anti-war component of his 2024 coalition and that it will be extremely difficult to get them back," he said. "The gap between what he so explicitly promised — no more wars — and what he has delivered — yet another war of choice in the Middle East that does not serve U.S. interests — could not be any wider."

就像罗根和道格拉斯一样,帕尔西也同意“以色列对伊朗的描述与事实相去甚远,因为伊朗的军事实力和该神权政体的韧性远比以色列所宣称的要强大得多。”他对共和党的未来作出了 grim 的评估。

Like Rogan and Douglas, Parsi agreed that "the Israeli presentation of Iran could not have been further from the truth, as Iran's military capabilities and the theocracy's resilience were far more formidable than the Israelis had asserted." He offered a grim assessment of the Republican Party’s future.

总统唐纳德·特朗普的一些盟友已转而反对他,称他背叛了他在2024年竞选时所作的关键承诺。(凯文·迪奇/盖蒂图片社)Some of President Donald Trump's allies have turned against the president over what they say are betrayals of the key promises he campaigned on in 2024. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

“这场战争在共和党内部引发了严重分裂,形成了‘MAGA派’与‘美国优先派’两大阵营,”帕西说道。“此外,共和党吸引反战选民的能力也遭到严重削弱。许多选民原本因不满乌克兰和加沙战争而脱离民主党;如今,由于伊朗战争的爆发,他们中的不少人又会重新倒向民主党。”“这些选民对特朗普在2016年和2024年的胜选至关重要,其影响力今后只会进一步增强,”他补充道。

"The war has created a major rift within the Republican Party and created a MAGA vs. America First coalition," Parsi said. "Moreover, the GOP's ability to bring anti-war constituents to its side has been severely damaged. Many of them left the Democratic Party because of the wars in Ukraine and Gaza; now many of them will return to the Democratic Party due to the war in Iran." "These voters were crucial to Trump's success in 2016 and 2024, and their significance is only likely to grow," he added.

白宫发言人戴维斯·恩格尔对福克斯新闻数字频道表示:“对美国民众而言,最重要的是拥有一位能果断采取行动消除威胁、保障民众安全的领导人,而这正是特朗普总统正在做的。”

White House spokesperson Davis Engle told Fox News Digital, "What matters most to the American people is having a commander in chief who takes decisive action to eliminate threats and keep them safe, which is exactly what President Trump is doing.

“他竞选时便郑重承诺要阻止伊朗政权研发核武器,正因他的果敢领导,美国民众如今更加安全,”他补充道。

"He campaigned proudly on his promise to deny the Iranian regime the ability to develop a nuclear weapon, and Americans are already safer because of his bold leadership," he added.

“总统作出这些极其重要的国家安全决策时,始终以美国民众的最大利益为出发点。”

"The president makes these incredibly important national security decisions based on the best interests of the American people."