德克萨斯州参议院民主党候选人詹姆斯·塔拉里科表示，他希望回归“原始资本主义”，在这种体制下，努力工作会得到回报，而不是财富，他批评了他所说的“裙带资本主义”。关于经济、石油和天然气以及它对州的明显重要性。因此，在2020年，你参加了一个塞拉俱乐部活动。你当时谈到了经济学，但也谈到了资本主义。
Democratic Texas Senate candidate James Talarico said he wants to return to “OG capitalism,” where hard work is rewarded instead of wealth, criticizing what he called "crony capitalism." WHEN ECONOMY AND OIL AND GAS AND HOW SIGNIFICANT IT OBVIOUSLY IS TO THE STATE. SO IN 2020, YOU WROTE A SIERRA CLUB EVENT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS, BUT BUT ALSO ABOUT CAPITALISM.
而当时你说资本主义是一个，引用的话，“压迫性体系”。你还谈到了，嗯，你的话，拆解它的过程。现在，我们曾经在一段时间前来到你的竞选团队，询问了这些言论，他们回应说你是一个自豪的资本主义者。所以从把资本主义称为压迫性体系到成为一个自豪的资本主义者，这是一个非常大的转变。发生了什么？什么改变了？
AND AT THE TIME YOU SAID CAPITALISM IS A, QUOTE, OPPRESSIVE SYSTEM. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOUR WORDS, THE PROCESS OF DISMANTLING IT. NOW, WE HAD COME TO YOUR CAMPAIGN A WHILE BACK AND ASKED ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS, AND THEY RESPONDED THAT YOU ARE A PROUD CAPITALIST. SO TO GO FROM OPPRESSIVE SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM TO A PROUD CAPITALIST, THAT'S A REALLY BIG SHIFT. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT CHANGED? >> WELL, SO THE PROBLEM IN POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS, THE PROBLEM WITH THE MEDIA IS THEY TAKE ONE SENTENCE OUT OF A LONG CONVERSATION AND AND THEN USE IT TO TRY TO PAINT A PICTURE.
好吧，政治竞选中的问题在于，媒体的问题在于他们会从一段长对话中摘取一句话，然后试图用它来描绘一幅画面。如果你回去听我们当时的对话，我当时谈的是我们现在所处的体制，而这实际上不是资本主义。这是裙带资本主义。在这种经济体制下，得到回报的是那些能够为特权付费、为控制权付费的人，也就是能够为政客付费的人。>> 你仍然认为这种体制是压迫性的，但你只是把它定义为裙带资本主义。
IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE HAVING, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT CAPITALISM. IT'S CRONY CAPITALISM. WHAT WHAT'S REWARDED IN THIS ECONOMY IS PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY FOR ACCESS AND PAY FOR CONTROL, PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY FOR POLITICIANS. >> SYSTEM YOU STILL SEE AS OPPRESSIVE, BUT YOU JUST DEFINE THAT AS CRONY CAPITALISM.
我想回到我们在这个国家在20世纪中期所拥有的那种资本主义。我想要竞争，但它必须是公平的竞争。我们必须面对这些垄断，这种整合，因为，再次强调，这从根本上说是反资本主义的。我想要增长，但它必须是共享的增长，现在再次如此，因为亿万富翁可以买通政客。这个经济体的所有收益，所有的增长都流向了顶端。所有的财富正被前1%的人积累。实际上，这些财富并没有流向在这个经济体中做实际工作的人。资本主义在当时是相对于封建制度的一项创新。你应该因劳动而获得报酬，你应该因时间而获得报酬——这一想法是一场革命。因此，我认为如果亚当·斯密看到我们今天所拥有的那种寡头资本主义体系，他一定会在坟墓里翻滚。因此，我想要回归的就是资本主义，在这种资本主义下，我们实际上会奖励劳动，而不是财富。而就在此时。>> 人们仍然可以积累财富。>> 当然，我完全支持成功。嗯，我想要一个创造更少万亿富翁、更多百万富翁的经济体。什么？现在，我们的税收制度实际上对劳动征税多于对财富征税。我认为这是颠倒的。因此，再次，我认为我想要的就是……
I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE KIND OF CAPITALISM WE HAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 20th CENTURY IN THIS COUNTRY. I WANT COMPETITION, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE FAIR COMPETITION. WE GOT TO TAKE ON THESE MONOPOLIES, THIS CONSOLIDATION, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY ANTI CAPITALIST. I WANT THERE TO BE GROWTH, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE SHARED GROWTH RIGHT NOW AGAIN BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES CAN BUY POLITICIANS. ALL OF THE GAINS IN THIS ECONOMY, ALL OF THE GROWTH IS GOING TO THE TOP. ALL OF THE WEALTH IS BEING ACCUMULATED BY THE TOP 1%. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE ACTUAL WORK IN THIS ECONOMY. CAPITALISM WAS AN INNOVATION AT THE TIME FROM THE FEUDAL SYSTEM. THE IDEA THAT THAT YOU SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR YOUR LABOR, THAT YOU SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR YOUR TIME. THAT WAS A REVOLUTION. AND SO I THINK IF ADAM SMITH SAW THE KIND OF CRONY CAPITALIST SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY, HE WOULD BE ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE. AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO IS CAPITALISM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY REWARD, WHERE WE REWARD WORK INSTEAD OF WEALTH. AND RIGHT NOW. >> PEOPLE CAN STILL ACCUMULATE WEALTH. >> AND OF COURSE, I'M ALL FOR SUCCESS. UM, I WANT AN ECONOMY THAT CREATES FEWER TRILLIONAIRES AND MORE MILLIONAIRES. WHAT? RIGHT NOW, OUR TAX SYSTEM LITERALLY TAXES WORK MORE THAN IT TAXES WEALTH. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S BACKWARDS. SO AGAIN, I THINK WHAT I'M