金融家、作家、播客主持人兼前白宫通讯联络办公室主任安东尼·斯卡拉穆奇做客埃莱克斯·迈克尔逊的节目，讨论了他的新书《全盘皆错：三个灾难性决定如何导致了特朗普的崛起》（ALL THE WRONG MOVES: How Three Catastrophic Decisions Led to the Rise of TRUMP）。
Financier, author, podcaster and former White House Communications Director joined Elex Michaelson to discuss Scaramucci’s new book, “ALL THE WRONG MOVES: How Three Catastrophic Decisions Led to the Rise of TRUMP.”
批判性同时也身为作家的他，其上个月出版的最新一本书名为《全盘皆错：三个灾难性决定如何导致了特朗普的崛起》。他认为这三个决定分别是：在比尔·克林顿总统任内通过的对华贸易协议、乔治·W·布什的战争与减税政策、以及在布什和贝拉克·奥巴马总统任内对银行的救助。我早些时候与他进行了交谈，并问他为什么用他自己的话来说，他认为这些决定是灾难性的。
CRITICAL ALSO AN AUTHOR. HIS LATEST BOOK, WHICH CAME OUT LAST MONTH, IS CALLED ALL THE WRONG MOVES HOW THREE CATASTROPHIC DECISIONS LED TO THE RISE OF TRUMP. HE ARGUES THAT THOSE THREE DECISIONS WERE THE TRADE DEAL WITH CHINA PASSED UNDER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, GEORGE W. BUSH'S WARS AND TAX CUTS, AND THE BANK BAILOUTS UNDER BUSH AND PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. I SPOKE WITH HIM EARLIER AND ASKED HIM WHY HE CONSIRS THOSE DECISIONS, IN HIS WORDS, TO BE CATASTROPHIC. >> WELL, THEY'RE. >> THEY'RE LINKED.
好的，它们是。>> 它们是相互关联的。再说一次，这本书不是一篇论战、党派抨击或类似的东西。它只是一种经济、政治和历史观察。这本书的信息，亚历克斯，是我们可以有非常聪明、出于好意的人做出决策，期望得到某种结果，却得到了完全不同的结果。所以在比尔·克林顿的案例中，让中国加入世贸组织是可以的。
AND AGAIN, THE BOOK IS NOT A POLEMIC OR PARTIZAN DIATRIBE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST AN ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL AND HISTORICAL OBSERVATION. AND THE MESSAGE OF THE BOOK, ALEX, IS THAT WE CAN HAVE VERY SMART, WELL-INTENDED PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING DECISIONS, EXPECTING ONE OUTCOME, AND THEY GET A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OUTCOME. AND SO IN BILL CLINTON'S CASE, BRINGING CHINA INTO THE WTO WAS OKAY.
但他所做的是没有对其进行制约。而且没有政治家去制约他们。所以他们拥有新兴市场的权利。当他们达到比如德国的规模时，他们本应被当作德国对待，但他们仍然被赋予了那些新兴市场的特权。但就战争而言，我们参战了。我们预计那场战争会持续几个月。亚历克斯，它持续了几十年。我们两次减税，一次在2001年，一次在2003年。
BUT WHAT HE DID WAS NOT CHECK THEM. AND THERE WERE NO POLITICIANS THAT CHECKED THEM. SO THEY THEY HAD EMERGING MARKET RIGHTS. WHEN THEY GOT TO THE SIZE OF GERMANY, LET'S SAY THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKE GERMANY, AND THEY WERE STILL GIVEN THOSE EMERGING PREFERENCES. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE WAR, WE WENT TO WAR. WE EXPECTED THAT WAR TO LAST MONTHS. IT LASTED DECADES. ALEX. WE CUT TAXES TWICE, ONCE IN ZERO ONE ONCE AND OH THREE.
美国历史上从未在参战时这样做过。所以你有两场战争、两次减税、长达二十年的战斗，这是我们强加给美国人民的8万亿美元的信用卡开支。这占了我们国债的20%。因此，这导致了这种轨迹陷入混乱等等。这两件事损害了人们的工资。然后因为赤字支出，我们不得不将债务货币化。因此，这给这些人造成了一场负担能力危机，这就是他们如此愤怒的原因。
NEVER IN U.S. HISTORY DID WE DO THAT. GOING TO WAR. SO YOU HAD TWO WARS, TWO TAX CUTS, TWO DECADES OF FIGHTING, AND THAT WAS AN $8 TRILLION CREDIT CARD EXPENSE THAT WE PUT ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND THAT'S 20% OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT THAT CAUSED THIS SORT OF TRAJECTORY TO GO HAYWIRE AND SO ON. THOSE TWO THINGS WE HURT PEOPLE'S WAGES. AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE DEFICIT SPENDING, WE HAVE TO MONETIZE THE DEBT. AND SO THAT CREATED AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS FOR THESE PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE SO ANGRY.
然后最后一部分，我们把钱给了银行，我理解为什么我们必须救助银行。我对此进行了书面探讨。关于为什么的历史分析。本来应该留出一些钱给穷人和中产阶层、中下阶层。他们没有那样做。银行里的那些大亨们把钱付给了他们的朋友，有5000人，亚历克斯，在救助的那一年获得了100万美元或更多的奖金，你知道，这在这个国家引发了很大的愤怒。
AND THEN THE LAST PIECE WE GAVE THE MONEY TO THE BANKS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD TO BAIL OUT THE BANKS. I WRITE ABOUT THAT. THE HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF WHY. BSHOULD HAVE LEFT SOME MONEY ASIDE FOR POOR AND MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE, LOWER MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE. THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. THE FAT CATS AT THE BANKS PAID THEIR BUDDIES 5000 PEOPLE. ALEX GOT PAID $1 MILLION OR MORE IN BONUSES THE YEAR OF THE BAILOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT CREATED A LOT OF ANGER IN THE COUNTRY.
这就是“占领华尔街”运动的由来。这就是茶党运动的由来。我向人们提出，这两场运动走到了一起，生了个孩子，他们给这个孩子起名叫MAGA（让美国再次伟大）。而唐纳德·特朗普进来，成了那个孩子的教父。呃，这就是我们现在的处境。我们处于一个民粹主义的分裂之中，这里有人觉得被这个体制抛弃了。如果你不打算帮我，我宁愿雇佣像
THAT'S WHERE OCCUPY WALL STREET CAME FROM. THAT'S WHERE THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT CAME FROM. AND I SUBMIT TO PEOPLE THAT THOSE TWO MOVEMENTS GOT TOGETHER, HAD A BABY, AND THEY NAMED THE BABY MAGA. AND DONALD TRUMP CAME IN AND BECAME THE GODFATHER OF THAT BABY. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. WE'RE IN A POPULIST DIVIDE WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE SYSTEM. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HELP ME, I WOULD RATHER HIRE SOMEBODY LIKE