她参加了42场特朗普集会，变卖了所有东西以追随他的竞选活动，并把自己的多年时光奉献给了“让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）运动。然而，特朗普处理爱泼斯坦档案的方式彻底改变了一切。前特朗普支持者特里莎·霍普向CNN的唐妮·奥沙利文讲述了她决定离开的那一瞬间……以及她与一位爱泼斯坦幸存者之间充满情感的一次相遇。想要了解更多信息，敬请收看安德森·库珀主持的《完整故事》节目，于10月17日星期六晚8点在CNN播出，也可在CNN应用程序上提前观看。
She went to 42 Trump rallies, sold everything to follow his campaign, and devoted years of her life to MAGA. Then, Trump's handling of the Epstein files changed everything. Former Trump supporter Trisha Hope tells CNN's Donie O'Sullivan about the moment she walked away... and her emotional encounter with an Epstein survivor. To hear more, check out The Whole Story with Anderson Cooper Saturday, October 17 at 8pm on CNN and available tors on the CNN App.
[嘈杂的交谈声] 唐妮·奥沙利文：直到我看到这些内容，我才意识到它究竟有多么详尽。 特里莎·霍普：我已经看过和读过很多这些材料，但看到它们全部被整理陈列在一起，真的很难视而不见。 [音乐响起] 唐妮·奥沙利文：我们现在位于得克萨斯州达拉斯，这里是唐纳德·J·特朗普与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦纪念阅览室临时设立的地方。
[INDISTINCT CHATTER] DONIE O'SULLIVAN: I had not realized, until I saw this, how really extensive it is. TRISHA HOPE: I've seen and read a lot of this, but to see it all lined up, it's pretty hard to ignore. [MUSIC PLAYING] DONIE O'SULLIVAN: We're here in Dallas, Texas, the temporary home of the Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room.
这个巡回展览记录了两人的关系，并展出了司法部已公开的350万页爱泼斯坦档案。 特里莎·霍普：这是他的“艺术”，有点令人作呕。 唐妮·奥沙利文：特里莎·霍普从休斯敦的家远道而来，参观这个展览。
This traveling exhibit chronicles the two men's relationship and holds all 3.5 million pages of the Epstein files the Justice Department has made public. TRISHA HOPE: This is his art, a little disgusting. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Trisha Hope has traveled from her home in Houston to visit the installation.
如果把这些档案全部像这样铺展开来，大概就是这个样子。看到这里的一切，你有什么感受？ 特里莎·霍普：感到无比沉重。真的非常沉重。这些关乎的是一个个真实的人的生命。对不起。还有总统发过的所有推文。 唐妮·奥沙利文：直到最近，特里莎还是一名特朗普支持者。
These are what all the files would look like if they were to be laid out like this. How do you feel as you see it all here? TRISHA HOPE: Overwhelmed. Overwhelmed. These are people's lives. I'm sorry. All the president's tweets. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Until recently, Trisha was a Trump supporter.
事实上，“让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）曾是她生活的全部。——我们爱特朗普！我们爱特朗普！ 特里莎·霍普：我和丈夫变卖了所有东西，买了一辆房车。我们玩得很开心。我们认识了很多朋友，经常在集会上见面。有时一天甚至能参加两场集会，只要我们能安排得过来。
In fact, MAGA was her whole life. - We love Trump! We love Trump! TRISHA HOPE: My husband and I, we sold everything, bought an RV. We had a blast. We met a lot of people, and we would meet them at the rallies. And we'd go sometimes two a day, if we could swing them.
我们只是不停地开车，在车里睡觉，做一切需要做的事。 [欢呼声] 唐妮·奥沙利文：我想，对于那些可能不喜欢特朗普的人来说，这或许很难理解。他们看到这些集会时，可能会说：“哦，这太荒谬了，不过是场表演罢了。”但当你真正身处其中时，那种感觉其实非常特别。
re just driving, sleeping in the car, doing whatever we needed to do. [CHEERING] DONIE O'SULLIVAN: I think it's hard for people who maybe don't like Trump. They see these rallies, and they say, oh, it's silly and it's spectacle. But actually, when you're there, it feels really special.
特里莎·霍普：确实如此。那种感觉很爱国。能和那些热爱美国、感受到爱国情怀并聆听音乐的人们在一起，真的让我感觉很好。所以那是一次非常愉快的经历。多尼·奥沙利文：你的“特朗普列车”是从什么时候开始脱轨的？
TRISHA HOPE: It does. It's very patriotic feeling. And it felt really good to be among people who loved America and felt the patriotism and listened to the music. So it was a lot of fun. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: When did things start coming off the rails on your Trump train?
特里莎·霍普：2025年7月8日，当时特朗普召开内阁会议，一位记者问了我一直想得到的答案——关于爱泼斯坦档案的问题。——那么，你能解释一下为什么7号晚上监狱录音中会缺失一分钟吗？帕姆·邦迪：当然可以。唐纳德·特朗普：帕姆，我能打断一下吗？特里莎·霍普：他说：“我们还在讨论爱泼斯坦档案吗？”唐纳德·特朗普：你还在谈论杰弗里·爱泼斯坦吗？
TRISHA HOPE: July 8, 2025, when Trump had his cabinet meeting and the reporter asked the question I wanted answered about the Epstein files. - So can you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the night of the 7th? PAM BONDI: Yeah, sure. DONALD TRUMP: Pam, could I just interrupt for one second? TRISHA HOPE: And he said, are we still talking about the Epstein files? DONALD TRUMP: Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
特里莎·霍普：我向你发誓，那一刻我仿佛突然开窍了，眼前的迷雾散去，我看到他完全不一样了。从那以后，我再也无法忘记那个画面。
TRISHA HOPE: I swear to you, a light went off, the shades lifted, and I saw him in a completely different way. And I've not been able to unsee it.
我对特朗普总统的行为感到非常失望。当时我正坐在停车场，准备去参加一场葬礼。就在那一刻，我彻底清醒了。我完全没有料到会发生这样的事。我曾以为他关心民众，但看起来他并不在乎。就在那一刻，我开始以批判的眼光看待一切。多尼·奥沙利文：那你发现了什么？
I'm so upset with the behavior of President Trump. I was sitting in the parking lot, getting ready to go into a funeral. That was the moment. I wasn't expecting it. I thought he cared. And it didn't seem that he did. That was the moment. And then I started looking at everything critically. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: And what did you start to find?
特里莎·霍普：很多谎言，很多欺骗。他对我来说就像个汽车销售员。他说的任何话，我都不再相信。
TRISHA HOPE: A lot of lies, a lot of deception. He became a car salesman to me. Anything he said, I just didn't believe.
多尼·奥沙利文：这些经历是否让你开始怀疑，特朗普关于2020年大选被偷的说法，也可能是一个谎言？
DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Does any of this make you wonder if what Trump was saying about 2020 election and it being stolen, that that might also be a lie?
特里莎·霍普：我只知道我在现场亲眼所见的情况，以及集会上人们的热情。那些东西很难从我的记忆中抹去。我确实相信大选是被偷走的，但围绕这件事的虚假信息实在太多。
TRISHA HOPE: I just know what I saw on the ground, at the rallies, the enthusiasm. And so those things are kind of hard to erase in my mind. I do believe the election was stolen. There's so much misinformation about it.
所以我可能错了。DONIE O'SULLIVAN：你觉得为什么会有爱泼斯坦文件呢？TRISHA HOPE：因为年轻女孩的无辜。我有女儿。而且在那段时间里，我并没有特别积极地推动爱泼斯坦文件的公开。我只是觉得它们应该会被公开，因为他说过会公开。——对于很多人来说，那些去过那座岛的客户的名单至今没有公布，这确实非常奇怪。DONALD TRUMP：是啊。这很有意思，不是吗？——所以如果你能的话，你会——DONALD TRUMP：是啊，我肯定会看看的。
So I could be wrong. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Why the Epstein files, do you think? TRISHA HOPE: The innocence of young girls. I have daughters. And it wasn't like I was campaigning hard for the Epstein files to be released during that process. It's just that I expected they would be because he said they would be. - It's just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public. DONALD TRUMP: Yeah. It's very interesting, isn't it? - So if you're able to, you'll be-- DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, I'd certainly take a look at it.
不过，如果涉及爱泼斯坦的事，我倒是愿意处理——我完全没意见。DONIE O'SULLIVAN：特朗普本人否认与爱泼斯坦有任何不当行为。现在你看到特朗普与爱泼斯坦关系的详细情况被揭露后，你有什么感受？TRISHA HOPE：恶心。我觉得很恶心。我为了支持这个男人而暂停了自己的生活，但显然我根本不了解他到底是谁。
But yeah, I'd be inclined to do the Epstein-- I'd have no problem with it. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Trump himself has denied any wrongdoing involving Epstein. As you see the extent of Trump's relationship with Epstein laid out now, how do you feel? TRISHA HOPE: Sick. I feel sick. I put my life on hold to support this man, that I clearly didn't understand who he was.
我也感到有点羞愧，因为我没有更努力地去了解他。我应该更仔细地调查过。DONIE O'SULLIVAN：在参观展览期间，Trisha 见到了 Danny Bensky。DANI BENSKY：你好。很高兴见到你。TRISHA HOPE：很高兴见到你。
I also feel a little ashamed that I didn't do more to discover more about him. I should have looked harder. DONIE O'SULLIVAN: While at the exhibit, Trisha met with Danny Bensky. DANI BENSKY: Hi. Nice to meet you. TRISHA HOPE: It's very nice to meet you.
DONIE O'SULLIVAN：Dani 当时是纽约市一名 17 岁的芭蕾舞舞者，在被派去杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的住宅担任按摩师后，遭受了超过一年的性虐待。如今，她已成为正义的倡导者，甚至还在国会作证。DANNY BENSKY：非常感谢你能来参与这件事，并抽出时间来支持我们。
DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Dani was a 17-year-old aspiring ballerina in New York City when she was sent to Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse as a masseuse. More than a year of sexual abuse followed. She's become an advocate for justice, even testifying before Congress. DANNY BENSKY: Thank you so much for coming and being a part of this and taking the time to support.
我很想听听——TRISHA HOPE：非常抱歉。我只是——DANNY BENSKY：我可以抱抱你吗？TRISHA HOPE：真的非常抱歉。我无法想象。DANI BENSKY：谢谢你。TRISHA HOPE：有人关心，有很多人在关心。他们可能才刚刚开始了解，但他们确实关心。DANI BENSKY：谢谢你这么说。TRISHA HOPE：这是真的。DANI BENSKY：这意义重大。
I would love to hear-- TRISHA HOPE: I'm so sorry. I just-- DANNY BENSKY: Can I hug you? TRISHA HOPE: So sorry. I can't imagine. DANI BENSKY: Thank you. TRISHA HOPE: There are people who care, a lot of people who care. They may just be learning, but they care. DANI BENSKY: Thank you for saying. TRISHA HOPE: It's true. DANI BENSKY: Means a lot.
TRISHA HOPE：我曾长期支持特朗普——我的意思是，我是个真正的铁杆特朗普支持者，参加了42场集会。我为造成的任何痛苦深感抱歉。
TRISHA HOPE: I was a Trump supporter for a long time and-- I mean, a really hardcore Trump supporter, 42 rallies. And I am so sorry for any pain.
DANI BENSKY：我很感激你在那一刻能够真正看清事情的本来面目。
DANI BENSKY: I'm so grateful that you took in that moment and were able to really see it for what it is.
TRISHA HOPE：我也一样。我很抱歉我们当时没有看到你。DANI BENSKY：谢谢。TRISHA HOPE：我不会再犯同样的错误了。DANI BENSKY：谢谢。
TRISHA HOPE: I am too. I am sorry we didn't see you. DANI BENSKY: Thank you. TRISHA HOPE: And I won't make that mistake again. DANI BENSKY: Thank you.
DONIE O'SULLIVAN：特里莎仍然认同特朗普的许多政策，但如今她认为自己在政治上是“无家可归”的。目前，她希望弥补过错。
DONIE O'SULLIVAN: Trisha still stands by many of Trump's policies, but today considers herself politically homeless. For now, she's looking to make amends.
TRISHA HOPE：我认为美国人有足够的共同点，能够为了爱国而团结起来，把其他所有事情放在一边。我有点好斗，而我现在正投入这场斗争。[音乐播放中]
TRISHA HOPE: I think there's enough common ground for Americans to come together for the love of the country and put all the other stuff aside. I'm a bit of a fighter, and I'm in this fight now. [MUSIC PLAYING]