CNN的扎因·阿舍尔和比安娜·戈洛德雷加与以色列驻美国大使叶希尔·莱特尔讨论了以色列定居者对约旦河西岸巴勒斯坦人的袭击。
CNN's Zain Asher and Bianna Golodryga speak with Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Yechiel Leiter, about the Israeli settler attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank.
内塔尼亚胡？>> 我不信任任何人。>> 好的。让我们请来叶希尔·莱特尔，以色列驻美国大使。大使，欢迎来到节目。在我们讨论所有这些新闻头条之前，我想先问您一个问题：9月23日，您和您的家人遭遇了一次个人打击，当时您实际上正前往演播室接受我的采访，而您的儿子内里亚在以色列境内的一起恐怖袭击中受了重伤。
NETANYAHU? >> I DON'T TRUST ANYBODY. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S BRING IN YECHIEL LEITER, THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S.. MR. AMBASSADOR, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL OF THESE NEWS HEADLINES TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT WAS A PERSONAL BLOW YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ON SEPTEMBER 23rd, YOU WERE ON YOUR WAY ACTUALLY, TO THE STUDIO FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH ME WHEN YOUR SON NERIA WAS GRAVELY INJURED IN A TERROR ATTACK BACK IN ISRAEL.
我们的思念一直与您和您的家人同在，祝他早日康复。他现在情况如何？医生对他的预后说了什么？>> 嗯，比安娜，首先，让我感谢您的关心，感谢您询问我的儿子。您知道，我曾在加沙失去我的长子，他是死于巴勒斯坦恐怖主义，死于哈马斯，我当时被一名巴勒斯坦恐怖分子撞击，他实际上以大约每小时50到55英里的速度撞到了我。
OUR THOUGHTS CONTINUE TO BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY. HOW IS HE DOING RIGHT NOW? WHAT ARE DOCTORS SAYING ABOUT HIS PROGNOSIS? >> WELL, BIANNA, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK YOU FOR CARING, FOR ASKING ABOUT MY SON. YOU KNOW, I LOST MY OLDEST SON IN IN GAZA TO PALESTINIAN TERRORISM, TO HAMAS AND I WAS HIT BY A PALESTINIAN TERRORIST WHO DROVE INTO HIM, ACTUALLY AT ABOUT 50, 55 MILES AN HOUR.
我受了重伤。嗯，头部受伤。他的头被猛烈撞向了一块水泥块。而且，嗯，他大约有八个小时处于开颅手术台上，大脑暴露在外。嗯，过去三周里，他已经能够自主呼吸了。
HE WAS GRAVELY INJURED. UM, HEAD INJURY. HIS HEAD WAS SLAMMED INTO A CEMENT BLOCK. AND, UH, HE WAS ON THE OPERATING TABLE WITH AN OPEN BRAIN FOR ABOUT EIGHT HOURS. UM, OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO BREATHE BY HIMSELF.
我们已经到了这样的地步，他不再需要呼吸机了。也不需要呼吸器。我们非常希望他能够康复。但目前他的伤势非常严重。他仍然处于深度昏迷状态，我们每天24小时用爱和祈祷围绕着他。我只想感谢你们以及所有为他祈祷的人。我们深深感激。>> 我的天，大使先生，我很抱歉。听到您儿子的情况以及您正在经历的事情，我真的很难过。
WE'VE REACHED THAT POINT WHERE HE'S NOT ON VENTILATOR ANYMORE. AND OR RESPIRATOR. WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL THAT HE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOVERY. BUT THE THE INJURY IS VERY SEVERE RIGHT NOW. HE'S STILL IN A DEEP COMA, AND WE'RE SURROUNDED HIM 24/7 WITH LOVE AND PRAYERS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR HIM. WE APPRECIATE IT DEEPLY. >> MY GOODNESS, MR. AMBASSADOR, I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR SON AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
嗯，我记得比安娜当时在谈论您正前来接受我们采访途中收到这个消息的事实，我再次强调，我们两人真的非常希望他能够早日康复，走出困境。好的。我想和您谈谈我们所看到的一些暴力，特别是在约旦河西岸的暴力。我相信您一定看到了相关报道。《华盛顿邮报》记者海迪·莱文，她遭到了非常恶劣的袭击。她被踢，她被打。
UM, I REMEMBER BIANNA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ON YOUR WAY TO DO AN INTERVIEW WITH US WHEN YOU GOT THE NEWS, AND I, AGAIN, BOTH OF US REALLY DO WISH THAT HE HAS A SPEEDY RECOVERY AND HE COMES OUT OF THAT. OKAY. I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE VIOLENCE, SOME OF THE VIOLENCE THAT WE'RE SEEING, PARTICULARLY IN THE WEST BANK. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE REPORTS ABOUT THIS. WASHINGTON POST REPORTER HEIDI LEVINE, WHO WAS REALLY BADLY ATTACKED. SHE WAS KICKED, SHE WAS BEATEN.
我刚才刚和我们在那里的记者杰里米·迪蒙通话，谈论媒体成员在报道约旦河西岸暴力时所面临的风险。海迪·莱文基本上是在说这是……杰里米·戴蒙德在说，海迪·莱文基本上是说她不相信那些踢她、打她的定居者会被追究责任，因为他们的前科记录。请您谈谈您对这件事的看法。针对不仅仅是西方记者，当然还有居住和工作在约旦河西岸的巴勒斯坦人——他们一直在经历这种情况——的暴力激增。
AND I WAS SPEAKING A SECOND AGO TO OUR REPORTER ON THE GROUND THERE, JEREMY DIMON, ABOUT JUST WHAT SORT OF RISKS MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA EXPERIENCE AS THEY REPORT ON THE VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK. HEIDI LEVINE WAS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THIS WAS A. JEREMY DIAMOND WAS SAYING THIS, THAT HAYI LEVINE WAS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT SHE DID NOT TRUST THAT SOME OF THE SETTLERS WHO KICKED HER AND WHO BEAT HER WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE OF THE TRACK RECORD OF THAT. JUST GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. THE SURGE IN VIOLENCE AGAINST NOT JUST WESTERN JOURNALISTS, BUT, OF COURSE, PALESTINIANS WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE WEST BANK EXPERIENCE THIS ALL THE TIME.
目前，由于即将到来的选举，以色列正处于一个关键时刻。嗯，以色列在选举前后将采取哪些措施，顺便说一下，嗯，以确保这种暴力真的能够减少，或者说，以某种方式、某种形式彻底结束？
IT IS A CRITICAL TIME RIGHT NOW IN ISRAEL BECAUSE OF THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS. UM, WHAT SORT OF STEPS IS ISRAEL GOING TO TAKE BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE ELECTIONS, BY THE WAY, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THIS VIOLENCE REALLY DOES EITHER REDUCE, IF NOT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM COME TO AN END.
但我认为同样重要的是，定居者必须为他们的行为负责。先生，大使。>> 非常感谢您的提问。这里有很多内容需要梳理，但让我直接说，毫无疑问，毫无疑问，任何人——无论是犹太人还是阿拉伯人——实施的无端暴力都是完全不可接受的。实施暴力的人必须接受正义的审判。如果我们尚未在将犹太私刑分子绳之以法方面达到及格标准，那么我们就必须做得更好。
BUT I THINK EQUALLY AS IMPORTANTLY, THE SETTLERS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. MR. AMBASSADOR. >> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE, BUT LET ME JUST SAY RIGHT UP FRONT, UH, UNAMBIGUOUSLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT GRATUITOUS VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY ANYONE, THE JEWS OR ARABS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. AND THOSE PERPETRATING THE VIOLENCE HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. IF WE HAVE NOT YET REACHED A PASSING GRADE ON BRINGING JEWISH VIGILANTES TO JUSTICE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB.
我坚信我们将会做到这一点。我参加过政府会议。我听过总理坚定地讲话，表示要制止这种行为。不过，关于杰里米的报道，我必须说一件事，这有点问题。我之所以这么说，是因为我多年来亲身经历了巴勒斯坦恐怖主义，包括我长子的遇害和次子受伤。呃，看啊，这些数字真的需要在没有选择性道德的情况下呈现。
AND I'M CONVINCED THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. I'VE BEEN AT GOVERNMENT MEETINGS. I'VE HEARD THE PRIME MINISTER SPEAK EMPHATICALLY, PUTTING A STOP TO THIS. THERE'S ONE THING, THOUGH, I MUST SAY ABOUT JEREMY'S REPORTING, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC. AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEONE WHO HAS, UH, VERY PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED PALESTINIAN TERRORISM OVER THE YEARS, INCLUDING THE LOSS OF MY OLDEST SON AND THE INJURY OF MY SECOND SON. UH, LOOK, THE, THE NUMBERS REALLY NEED TO BE SHOWN WITHOUT SELECTIVE MORALITY.
2025年，有26名犹太人死于巴勒斯坦恐怖分子之手，而有两名阿拉伯人死于犹太私刑分子或犹太恐怖分子之手。所以当我们实际上展示这些数字并展示地面上发生的事情时，我认为需要聚焦于对现实的完整、呃，描绘。我认为已经出现了一种，你知道的，几乎就像一场关于犹太定居者在犹大和撒马利亚的运动。在约旦河西岸，有60万人居住在那里，而你所看到的是这群私刑分子中的50、60、70、80或200人。
IN 2025, THERE WERE 26 JEWS KILLED BY PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS, AND THERE WERE TWO ARABS KILLED BY JEWISH VIGILANTES OR JEWISH TERRORISTS. SO WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING THE NUMBERS AND SHOWING WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND, I THINK A FULL, UH, DEPICTION OF REALITY NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A, YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIKE A CAMPAIGN ABOUT JEWISH SETTLERS IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA. IN THE WEST BANK, THERE'S 600,000 PEOPLE LIVING THERE, AND YOU'RE SEEING A GROUP OF 50, 60, 70, 80, OR 200 OF THESE VIGILANTES.
他们必须被制止，他们将被制止，他们将被绳之以法。但让我们不要忘记，我们正面对的是大规模巴勒斯坦恐怖分子的情况，有成千上万的人参与有组织的恐怖活动，这些恐怖小组正在策划炸毁公交车和向人们开火，使用汽油弹、投掷石头等等。
THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED, THEY WILL BE STOPPED, THEY WILL BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A SITUATION OF LARGE SCALE PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS, NUMBERS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN ORGANIZED TERROR, CELLS THAT ARE PLANNING TO BLOW BUSSES AND SHOOT AT PEOPLE, MOLOTOV COCKTAILS, ROCK THROWING, AND SO