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美联社独家:特朗普边境主管为得州大弯地区建墙计划辩护,尽管遭遇法院挫折AP Exclusive: Trump’s border chief defends wall plans in Texas’ Big Bend despite a court setback

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2026年10月22日星期四,在美国华盛顿州罗伯茨角,美国海关与边境保护局局长罗德尼·斯科特在访问美加边境的罗伯茨角入境口岸时,与边境检查亭内的一名官员交谈,他的身影映在窗户上。(美联社照片/林赛Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Rodney Scott is reflected in a window as he speaks with an officer in a border crossing booth during a visit at the Point Roberts port of entry between the United States and Canada, Thursday, Oct. 22, 2026, in Point Roberts, Wash. (AP Photo/Lindsey

丽贝卡·桑塔纳 华盛顿州布莱恩 — 特朗普政府的最高边境官员为在得克萨斯州大弯地区修建围墙和其他基础设施的计划进行了辩护,尽管该项目面临日益高涨的反对声浪和法院下令暂停施工,他表示加强国家边境的目标“不可商量”。在接受美联社独家专访时,海关与边境保卫局局长罗德尼·斯科特辩称,这项耗资460亿美元的围墙项目是合理的,尽管一个由土地所有者、当地企业和环保人士组成的两党联盟认为,这是对纳税人钱财的浪费,可能会破坏一个历史上非法越境人数极低的地区。

REBECCA SANTANA BLAINE, Wash. — The Trump administration’s top border official defended plans to build a wall and other infrastructure in Texas’ Big Bend region despite mounting opposition against the project and a court-ordered pause on construction , saying his goal of fortifying the country’s borders was “non-negotiable.”In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott argued that the $46 billion wall project was justified despite a bipartisan coalition of landowners, local businesses and environmentalists who view it as a waste of taxpayer money that could be destructive to a region with historically low migrant crossings.

斯科特周四表示:“我们的首要目标是必须知道谁和什么东西正在进入美国。”他说,如果大弯地区在没有围墙或其他边境基础设施的情况下被保留下来,而边境其他地区却获得了这些防御工事,“我100%确信它将完全被淹没并毁坏。”大弯之争已成为检验这届共和党政府愿为边境围墙——唐纳德·特朗普总统的标志性基建项目——走多远的重大考验。斯科特曾是边境巡逻队特工,被特朗普选中来完成这项工程。

“Our number one goal right out the gate is we have to know who and what is coming into the United States,” Scott said on Thursday. If the Big Bend region were left without a wall or other border infrastructure while other areas along the border get those fortifications, he said, “I am 100% convinced it will be completely overrun and destroyed.”The fight over Big Bend has become a major test for how far the Republican administration is willing to go for the border wall, President Donald Trump’s signature infrastructure project. Scott, a former Border Patrol agent, was tapped by Trump to complete it.

他的机构负责执行一项计划,该计划去年夏天由国会共和党人拨款资助,旨在沿着与墨西哥约2000英里(3200公里)长的边境,建设混合了30英尺高(9米高)的钢墙、车辆障碍物、新道路和监控技术,以防止非法移民和走私。

His agency is responsible for executing a plan funded last summer by Republicans in Congress to line the roughly 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) border with Mexico with a mixture of 30-foot-tall (9-meter-tall) steel walls, vehicle barriers, new roads and surveillance technology to prevent illegal immigration and smuggling.

特朗普政府称,建设速度约为每周12英里(19公里)。每天都会收到进度更新的斯科特表示,工程将在特朗普第二个任期结束前完工。主体边境围墙——部分地区还将增加第二层——将在2027年12月底前建成。“我们实际上进度超前,”斯科特说。

The Trump administration says it is building about 12 miles (19 kilometers) a week. Scott, who gets daily progress updates, said it will be complete by the end of Trump’s second term. The primary border wall — some areas also get a secondary layer — will be done by the end of December 2027. “We’re actually ahead of schedule,” Scott said.

修墙计划在大弯曲国家公园等地遭遇阻力。本月初,一名法官下令暂停该地区的边境墙建设,称原告“如果不发布禁令,将遭受严重、不可挽回的损害”,这种可能性很大,特朗普政府因此遭受重大挫折。政府已请求最高法院解除该命令。

The wall plan has run into resistance in places like Big Bend. The Trump administration suffered a major setback earlier this month when a judge ordered a pause on border wall construction in the region, citing what could be a likelihood that plaintiffs “will suffer serious, irreparable harm without an injunction.”The administration has asked the Supreme Court to lift the order .

该裁决涵盖大弯曲国家公园内的任何建设,该地区引发了两党强烈抗议,包括一些共和党议员。

The ruling included any construction in Big Bend National Park, an area that has seen a loud bipartisan outcry, including from some Republican lawmakers.

8月,推土机被发现在公园内破土动工后,斯科特下令暂停那里所有与建设相关的活动,并前往当地与民众交谈。他说,该机构正在开展其他外联工作,与当地人讨论如何建设项目,以免破坏公园。“我们正在商讨并设法找出该地区的正确解决方案,”他说。

After bulldozers were spotted in the park tearing up ground in August, Scott ordered a pause on all construction-related activity there while he went to talk to people in the region. He said the agency is making other outreach to locals to discuss how to build projects so they don’t mar the park. “We’re talking through and figuring out what is the right solution for that area,” he said.

斯科特表示,由于有许多诉讼正在进行,他无法透露该机构针对该公园的具体计划细节,但他重申,该项目不会包括高耸的钢墙。

Scott said he can’t get into specific details on what the agency’s plans are for the park due to the numerous ongoing lawsuits, but he reiterated that the project won’t include tall steel walls.

他还表示,该机构保护国家、掌握出入境情况的既定目标是“不可商量的”。他说,该地区强大的天然屏障不足以阻止人们通过其他更易通行的地点非法入境。他还表示担心,控制从墨西哥向美国走私贩运的贩毒集团会利用任何漏洞。

He also said that the agency’s stated goal of protecting the country and knowing what’s coming in and going out is “non-negotiable.”He said the region’s formidable natural barriers were not enough to prevent people from entering the country illegally through other more navigable points. And he expressed concern that cartels that control smuggling from Mexico into the U.S. would exploit any opening.

斯科特领导着一个拥有6.7万名员工的机构,负责管控通过机场、海港等官方边境口岸入境的人员和物品,并打击官方边境口岸以外的非法走私和偷渡。

Scott leads an agency of 67,000 employees responsible for controlling who and what comes into the country through official border crossings like airports or seaports and stopping illegal smuggling and migration outside those official border crossing points.

去年,该机构的官员被派往国内腹地城市,协助移民和海关执法局执行特朗普的移民打击行动,因此受到严厉审视。

The agency came under heavy scrutiny last year when its officers were sent into cities deep inside the country to help carry out Trump’s immigration crackdown alongside Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

随着抗议行动在明尼阿波利斯爆发,一名边境巡逻队警官和一名海关与边境保卫局(CBP)警官在一次遭遇中均开枪射击,导致美国公民亚历克斯·普雷蒂(Alex Pretti)死亡。这起枪击事件最终促使特朗普政府缩减了在城市开展的高调打击行动。曾作为这些任务公众形象的CBP警官格雷戈里·博维诺(Gregory Bovino)今年早些时候退休,他曾领导一次针对大型公寓楼的直升机突袭,并使用化学制剂对抗示威者。

As protests against an operation rocked Minneapolis, a Border Patrol officer and a CBP officer both fired shots in an encounter that killed a U.S. citizen, Alex Pretti. The shooting eventually prompted the Trump administration to wind down high-profile city-based crackdowns. A CBP officer who was the face of the missions, Gregory Bovino , who led a helicopter raid at a large apartment building and used chemical agents to confront demonstrators, retired earlier this year.

斯科特表示,虽然CBP仍协助移民与海关执法局(ICE),但由于ICE此后招募了更多警官,CBP现在较少参与远离国境的移民执法工作。斯科特拒绝就普雷蒂遇害案的调查发表评论,称该案由联邦调查局(FBI)负责且仍在进行中。当被问及博维诺的战术时,他说该警官在行动期间不向他汇报。

Scott said while CBP still helps ICE, it’s now less involved in immigration enforcement far from the country’s borders because ICE has since hired more officers to its ranks. Scott wouldn’t comment on the investigation into the Pretti killing, saying that it was being handled by the FBI and was ongoing. And when asked about Bovino’s tactics, he said the officer didn’t report to him during the operations.

斯科特在美加边境附近接受了美联社采访,当时他正与其他国家的边境安全代表会面,共享有关威胁和趋势的信息。行程中,他参观了一个行动中心,并表示加美执法部门在那里协同工作。

Scott spoke to the AP just outside the border with Canada, where he met with border security representatives from other countries to share information about threats and trends. During his trip, he visited an operations center where he said Canadian and American law enforcement work together.

与美墨边境相比,这条边境面临的威胁少得多。斯科特说,墨西哥贩毒集团越来越多地派遣无人机进入美国,以运送违禁品并监视边境巡逻队特工。在墨西哥,贩毒集团一直在用无人机互相攻击或攻击墨西哥执法部门。

That border has far fewer threats than the U.S. border with Mexico. Scott said cartels in Mexico are increasingly sending drones into the United States to move contraband and keep tabs on Border Patrol agents. In Mexico, the cartels have been using drones to attack each other or Mexican law enforcement.

国土安全部(DHS,CBP隶属于该部)最近宣布实施临时飞行限制,针对美墨边境向北延伸1英里(1.6公里)区域内的未经授权无人机活动,以此对抗贩毒集团。斯科特说:“我们要确保这种威胁不进入美国。”

The Department of Homeland Security, which includes CBP, recently announced temporary flight restrictions targeting unauthorized drone activity in a zone extending a mile (1.6 kilometers) north of the U.S.-Mexico border as a way to counter cartels. “We want to make sure,” Scott said, “that threat does not come into the United States.”

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