独家：英国首相称实现财政稳定将是“关键”，以便解决更大的问题 安迪·伯纳姆表示，尽管面临严峻的经济逆风，他仍能兑现为国家带来根本性变革的承诺，他对《卫报》说：“总有你能做的事，关键在于你是否愿意去做。” 首相在下个月预算案前承认公共财政“充满挑战”，但表示实现财政稳定将是“关键”，因为只有那样政府才能专注于解决更大的问题。
Exclusive: UK prime minister says delivering fiscal stability would be ‘crucial’ to be able to fix bigger problems Andy Burnham has said he can deliver on his promise of radical change for the country despite severe economic headwinds, telling the Guardian: “There’s always things you can do, it’s just whether you’re prepared to do them.” The prime minister acknowledged the public finances were “challenging” ahead of next month’s budget but said that delivering fiscal stability would be “crucial”, because only then would the government be able to focus on fixing bigger problems.
一系列全球经济冲击，包括伊朗冲突，使英国经济面临巨大的通胀压力并推高了借贷成本，导致政府的操作空间有限。
A series of global economic shocks, including the Iran conflict, have put the UK economy under intense inflationary pressure and pushed up borrowing costs, leaving the government limited room for manoeuvre.
然而，在作为首相出席首届工党大会前夕，伯纳姆既试图让选民放心，表明他愿意做出艰难决定以实现变革，又试图向市场展示他能确保财政稳定，同时为未来更实质性的变革奠定基础。
Ahead of his first Labour conference as prime minister, however, Burnham sought to both reassure voters he was willing to make tough decisions to deliver change, and to show the markets that he could ensure fiscal stability while preparing the groundwork for more substantial change ahead.
在作为工党领袖出席首届大会前夕，他对《卫报》表示：“如果我们去解决一些棘手的问题……然后说‘好，我们要在这里采取行动’，而不是在解决问题前一直玩政治游戏，公众会更尊重我们。”
Speaking to the Guardian on the eve of his first conference as Labour leader, he said: “The public would have more respect for us if we go and grab something difficult … and say, ‘Right, we’re going to do something here’, rather than constantly playing the political game before fixing the problems.
“情况确实充满挑战，但仍有可做之事。在政治中，总有可做之事。问题有时在于：你是否愿意去做？是的，我愿意去做。” 当被问及是否需要巨大的财政缓冲来应对冲击时，他说关键在于稳定，表明他理解安抚市场的必要性，但国家更根本的变革将随之而来。
“It’s challenging, definitely, but there are still things that you can do. Always in politics, there are things that you can do. The question is sometimes: Are you prepared to do them? Yeah, I am prepared to do them.” When asked about the need for a large fiscal buffer against shocks, he said the key thing was stability, indicating that he understood the need to reassure the markets, but that more radical transformation of the state would follow.
“我认为稳定至关重要，同时也要展现出直面某些棘手现实的意愿。但实际上，正是从这种稳定中，才能获得推动更大变革的空间，最终让国家在公共财政方面处于更有利的地位，”他说。
“I do think it is crucial to have stability and to show that there’s a willingness to face up to the reality of some of these difficult things. But actually from that stability, the permission can come to make bigger change that, in the end, could put the country in a stronger position in relation to the public finances,” he said.
“必须保持稳定，但也要在稳定的框架内尽力而为。在混乱局面下，无法推行重大变革计划，而这正是我认为国家所需要的。”在排除2029年前举行提前大选的可能性后，伯纳姆表示，他想为国家通往更美好境地的道路勾勒清晰蓝图——并强调他没有把时间花在“搞政治算计和谋划策略”上，而是专注于解决问题。
“You have to have stability, but you have to do what you can within that. You can’t pursue a major programme of change, which is what I believe the country needs, in a chaotic situation.” After ruling out holding a snap general election before 2029, Burnham said that he wanted to set out a clear path for how the country could move to a better place – and that he hadn’t been spending his time “sitting politicking and strategising” but instead was focused on fixing problems.
他说，他让全国民众“多一点相信事情会变好”的雄心，不会源于“无休止地举行选举和公投”。
His ambition to give people “a bit more belief that things can improve” across the country, he said, would not come from “endlessly running elections and referendums”.
他否认曾与核心团队讨论过是否提前大选。“外界的猜测与内部讨论完全不符，因为根本就没有这种讨论，”他说，并反驳了他缺乏授权的说法，指出公众投票给了工党。
He denied having had any discussions with his senior team about whether to call an early election. “The speculation in no way matches the internal discussion because there isn’t one,” he said, rejecting claims he did not have a mandate as the public had voted for the Labour party.
不过，伯纳姆承认，他在税收和基尔·斯塔默竞选宣言中的财政规则方面受到制约，并暗示如果当时由他掌权，他会采取不同做法。
However, Burnham acknowledged he was hemmed in on tax and the fiscal rules of Keir Starmer’s manifesto commitments, and suggested he would have done it differently had he been in charge at the time.
“我继承了这些立场，正如我所说，我认为对我来说最重要的是关注当下民众的现实需求，而不是自私自利地考虑‘哦，什么适合我？’并搞政治算计。这不是我的想法，我可能会用不同的方式表述，但现状就是现状，你知道，这就是现实。”伯纳姆淡化了工党可能会为能源账单提供更多支持的猜测，因为价格上限预计从1月开始飙升。“我认为人们需要记住，措施已经采取了，”他说，指的是从下周开始取消电费增值税。
“I’ve inherited those positions and, as I say, I think the main thing for me is to focus on the here and now for people, not to be self-serving about ‘oh, what would suit me?’ and playing politics. That’s not where my mind is, and possibly would have framed it different, but we are where we are, you know, and that’s the reality.” Burnham played down speculation that Labour may give more support for energy bills, with the cap price set to soar from January. “I think people need to remember that measures have already been taken,” he said, referring to VAT on electricity bills being scrapped from next week.
首相还重申，虽然他认为福利法案过高，但工党议员们没有“进行粗暴削减的意愿”，因为这会将人们推向危机，因此需要采取长期的改革方法。
The prime minister also reiterated that while he thought the welfare bill was too high, the will among Labour MPs was “not there for crude cuts” because they would push people into crisis, so a longer term approach to reform was required.
在上周于联合国警告了人工智能的风险和机遇之后，伯纳姆承认担心流氓AI代理攻击英国国家机构，此前澳大利亚医疗保险系统遭到了攻击。
After warning of the risks, as well as the opportunities of artificial intelligence at the UN last week, Burnham admitted to concerns about rogue AI agents attacking state institutions in the UK, after the Australian medicare system was hit.
伯纳姆谈到了极右翼抗议者出现在英国街头的现象，指责丹尼尔·托马斯“制造恐惧”，后者曾在一些英格兰城镇的街头带领身穿黑衣的反移民自卫团体；但伯纳姆没有像内政大臣沙巴娜·马哈茂德那样走得那么远，后者指责托马斯是“彻头彻尾的种族主义者”。
Burnham addressed the presence of far-right protesters on the streets of Britain, accusing Daniel Thomas, who has led black-clad anti-migrant vigilantes on the streets of some English towns of “creating fear” but did not go as far as Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, who accused him of being an “outright racist”.
谈到托马斯的蒙面帮派时，他说：“我是说那不是英国。那不是我们想在人们社区看到的东西。对问题有合理的担忧，然后还有恐吓——那就是恐吓，”他说。
Speaking of Thomas’s masked gangs, he said: “I mean that’s not Britain. That’s not what we want to see in people’s communities. There’s legitimate concerns about issues, and then there is intimidation – and that is intimidation,” he said.
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“你知道，我认为我们确实需要继续进行跨党派讨论，探讨如何维护公众对政治的信任？如何避免给人政治可以用金钱购买、以及人们受到不当影响的印象？”他表示，也愿意审视竞选开支上限，目前选举委员会正在对此进行研究，并补充说他对“加密货币助推的政治”有“真正的担忧”。
“You know I think we do need to continue to have a cross-party discussion about how do we uphold trust in politics? How do we do not give the impression that politics can be bought and that people are, if you like, unduly influenced?” He was also open to looking at election spending limits, he said, which are now being examined by the Electoral Commission, adding that he has “real concerns” about crypto-fuelled politics.
伯纳姆情绪激动地透露，父亲罗伊上周去世让他更加坚定要有所作为。“我从事这份工作是为了能为人民做什么，而不是这份工作能给我带来什么……去实现那些我父亲长期以来一直推动我去实现的变革，”他说。
An emotional Burnham revealed that the death of his father, Roy, last week had made him more determined to deliver. “I’m in this job for what I can do for people, not for what it can do for me … to make the changes that my dad, for instance, long pushed me to make,” he said.
“老实说，在过去三个月里接任这个职位，我心里清楚自己是在父亲走完人生旅程之时开启自己的新征程，这很不容易。
“It’s been a hard thing, if I’m honest, coming into this position in the last three months when I also knew in my heart that I was starting this journey as my dad was ending his.
“虽然这很难，我这么说并非寻求同情，而是说这两件事的交汇增强了我的决心，要在长期以来我想要解决的问题上有所作为。”预计伯纳姆将在利物浦工党大会的演讲中聚焦政治勇气，他表示愿意就需要发生的事情对公众诚实相告，哪怕真相难以接受。
“Although that’s hard, and I’m not seeking sympathy in saying it, I say it because the coming together of those two things increases my determination to make a difference on the things that I’ve long said I want to fix.” With political courage expected to be a focus of his speech to Labour’s conference in Liverpool, Burnham said he was willing to be honest with the public about what needed to happen, even if it was difficult to hear.
“我认为公众想看到的第一点是诚实面对问题。所以不要搞宣传攻势，也不要以自私自利的方式包装事情。他们想要诚实，然后我想，他们想要艰难但切实的决策，”伯纳姆说。
“I think the public want to see, number one, honesty about things. So not spin or putting things a certain way that’s self-serving. They want honesty, and then they want, I think, difficult but real decisions,” said Burnham.
“不是为了艰难决策而大做文章，而是真正抓住棘手问题并推动事情向前发展。我认为近年来政治界不够敢于这样做。”伯纳姆批评历届政府未能解决社会护理、住房供应和青年失业等棘手问题，表示需要长期改革，因为不存在“轻松或速赢”的捷径。
“Not difficult decisions and making a fetish out of that, but actually grasping nettles and then moving things forward. I don’t think politics has been prepared to do that enough in recent times.” Burnham criticised previous governments for failing to tackle difficult issues such as social care, housing supply and youth unemployment, saying longer term reform was needed because there were no “easy or quick wins”.
他透露将推出一项新的“助购计划”，旨在帮助那些无法依靠“父母银行”的首次购房者拿到自家房门钥匙。该计划将通过重新分配现有预算提供资金，而非额外借贷，尽管具体动用哪些预算尚不清楚。
He revealed there would be a new help-to-buy scheme aimed at giving first-time buyers who cannot rely on the “bank of mum and dad” the keys to their own home. It will be funded by reallocating existing budgets, although it is unclear which ones, rather than through extra borrowing.
伯纳姆还表示，他希望在下届大选前在社会护理改革上取得实质性进展——这是一项宣言承诺。“谁来真正采取行动落实此事？我要告诉你们，我将直接解决这个问题。”
Burnham also said he wanted to deliver significant progress on social care reform – a manifesto commitment – before the next election. “Who is going to do something to actually make it real? I’m saying to you that I am going to address this directly.”