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史密斯在激烈的参议院听证会上回应共和党侮辱并质疑议员传票:五大要点Smith fields GOP insults, questions on lawmaker subpoenas at fiery Senate hearing: 5 takeaways

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前特别检察官杰克·史密斯周二在参议院司法委员会面对议员们时,遭到了共和党人的侮辱,并接受了关于其起诉决定的质询。

Former special counsel Jack Smith fielded insults from Republicans and questions about his prosecutorial decisions on Tuesday as he sat before lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

主席查克·格拉斯利(爱荷华州共和党参议员)一直是审查史密斯对特朗普总统进行的双重调查的主要声音,他获取并发布了大量关于这些调查的文件,同时批评史密斯传唤部分议员通话记录的决定。

Chair Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has been a leading voice in scrutinizing Smith’s twin probes into President Trump, obtaining and releasing reams of documents about the investigations while criticizing his decision to subpoena some lawmakers’ call logs.

史密斯为自己的工作进行了辩护,称特朗普因自己的非法行为,面临与海湖庄园机密文件案以及总统在2021年1月6日国会山骚乱中扮演的角色有关的刑事指控。他补充说,他会对任何犯下此类罪行的总统提起指控。

Smith defended his work, saying Trump faced criminal charges related to the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case and the case tied to the president’s role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol as a result of his own illegal conduct. He added that he would have brought charges against any president who committed such crimes.

与此同时,参议员科里·布克(新泽西州民主党人)指责共和党对美国公众进行“煤气灯效应”式欺骗,掩盖1月6日袭击对民主造成的破坏程度。但史密斯在很大程度上成了委员会共和党人的出气筒。

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.). meanwhile, accused the GOP of “gaslighting” the American public about how damaging the Jan. 6 attack was to democracy. But Smith largely served as a punching bag for the committee’s Republicans.

“你可能认为你是这个故事里的英雄,但让我告诉你一件事。你是反派。你造成了巨大的破坏,”参议员埃里克·施密特(密苏里州共和党人)对史密斯说。“你将被史册记载为彻头彻尾的卑鄙小人。”

“You may think you're a hero in this story, but let me tell you something. You're the villain. You've done so much damage,” Sen. Eric Schmitt (R-Mo.) told Smith. “You will go down as a total dirtbag.”

参议员迈克·李(犹他州共和党人)表示,史密斯的调查“让尼克松在水门事件中的所作所为看起来像周日野餐一样轻松愉快。”以下是周二这场火药味十足的参议院听证会的五大看点。

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said Smith’s probe “makes what Richard Nixon did in Watergate look like a Sunday picnic.”Here's five takeaways from Tuesday's fiery Senate hearing.

史密斯作为1月6日调查的一部分,获取了十几位共和党参议员的通话记录——而周二是他们首次有机会就传票问题向他施压。

Smith obtained the call logs of a dozen Republican senators as part of his investigation into Jan. 6 — and Tuesday was their first chance to press him on the supboenas.

史密斯将话单记录(本质上就是通话记录)描述为“非内容记录”,并称其对于梳理不同当事方之间的通信联系至关重要。

Smith described toll records, which are essentially call logs, as “non-content records” that were important for mapping out communication among different parties.

“这些记录佐证了我们掌握的证据,即总统唐纳德·特朗普及其共谋者试图利用1月6日的暴力事件来推进他们的犯罪阴谋,”史密斯说。

“Those records corroborated evidence that we had that the president, President Donald Trump, and his co-conspirators were seeking to exploit the violence on January 6th in furtherance of their criminal scheme,” Smith said.

“这对我们的调查至关重要,且与犯罪意图问题密切相关,即在1月6日下午发生的事件后,试图进一步拖延程序以违反法律,依我之见,这增加了我们掌握的有力证据,证明唐纳德·特朗普有罪,以及他的共谋者应其要求参与了其犯罪阴谋。”但小组委员会的共和党人指控史密斯违反“言论和辩论条款”及侵犯其隐私,称他不应寻求禁制令,禁止手机公司披露此举。

“It was an important part of our investigation, and it was centrally relevant to the issue of criminal intent to seek to further delay the proceedings in violation of the law, given what had happened that afternoon at Jan. 6, in my view, added to the powerful evidence we had of Donald Trump's guilt, and the participation of his co-conspirators in his criminal scheme at his behest.”But Republicans on the panel accused Smith of violating the Speech and Debate Clause, as well as their privacy, saying he should not have sought a gag order barring cell phone companies from disclosing the move.

史密斯表示,他曾咨询司法部(DOJ)专家关于宪法限制的问题,并获批追查相关记录。“你传唤了与我的手机相关的记录,包括个人和办公手机,并寻求并获得了法院命令以阻止我知情。多年来,你能在没有我在场的情况下秘密提问。今天,参议院有权提问,”参议员泰德·克鲁兹(R-得克萨斯州)说。“你甘愿充当民主党全国委员会(DNC)的打工仔,而且你知道你还干了什么。你让唐纳德·特朗普连任总统,因为美国民众对你滥用权力谋取党派私利的意愿感到厌恶。”

Smith said he consulted Justice Department (DOJ) experts on the constitutional limitations and got approval to pursue the records. “You subpoenaed records associated with my phones, both personal and office, and you sought and obtained a court order to prevent me from knowing about it. For years, you were able to ask your questions in secret without me in the room. Today, the Senate gets to ask questions,” said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). “You willingly were conscripted as a foot soldier for the [Democratic National Committee] and you know what you also did. You reelected President Donald Trump because the American people were disgusted at your willingness to abuse power in partisan ends.”

史密斯称,记录显示了特朗普协调议员延迟认证的努力,以及那些因惊恐而联系白宫的人。“我们获得了证据[显示有人]联系白宫,询问:‘请帮帮我们。请制止正在发生的事。请让你的支持者停止攻击国会大厦,’”史密斯说。共和党人的传票愤怒不仅限于通话记录的收集,还包括对共和党关联团体的大量强制要求。“总的来说,你向至少34名个人和163家企业发出了197份传票,并寻求了至少430名共和党个人和实体的记录……”克鲁兹说。

Smith said the records showed Trump’s efforts to coordinate with lawmakers to delay certification as well as those who contacted the White House in alarm. “We gained evidence [of people] reaching out to the White House, asking, ‘Please help us. Please stop what's happening. Please have your supporters stop attacking the Capitol,’” Smith said. The GOP’s subpoena outrage wasn’t just limited to collection of call records but numerous compulsory demands for Republican-affiliated groups. “In all, you issued 197 subpoenas to 34 individuals at least, and 163 businesses, and you sought records on at least 430 Republican individuals and entities…” Cruz said.

“如果你看一下这份名单,就会发现一个共同点:上面的每一个名字都是共和党人。”史密斯表示,调查团队必须顺藤摸瓜,摸清赞助和组织选举质疑活动以及特朗普2021年1月6日在椭圆广场演讲的多个团体的资金来源。

"If you look at the list, there is one thing that is consistent. Every name on it is a Republican."

“我可以告诉你我们为什么要发出传票,那是为了对我们国家历史上最严重的犯罪之一进行刑事调查。我有责任收集事实,”史密斯说,“我们必须就是否有任何个人或实体在试图阻挠权力和平移交方面违反法律展开调查,以便做出决定。”

Smith said the team had to follow the money to map out the financial backing for a number of groups who sponsored and organized events surrounding election challenges as well as Trump’s Jan. 6, 2021 speech on the Ellipse.

首先披露这些传票的格拉斯利并不买账。“不管你怎么说,你所做的事情没有任何合理的依据,特别是考虑到你的团队终止了对(希拉里·)克林顿竞选团队的调查。向共和党团体提供捐款对你的调查来说并非必要,这一点从你的公开报告中根本没有提及就能证明,”这位议员说。

“I can tell you why we issued subpoenas, and it was to conduct a criminal investigation of one of the most serious crimes that's ever happened in our nation's history. I had a duty to collect facts,” Smith said “We had to conduct an investigation about whether any person or entity violated the law with respect to the attempt to block the peaceful transfer of power, to make that decision.”Grassley, who first revealed the subpoenas, was not convinced.

史密斯在开场陈述中表示,刑事指控的责任在于特朗普本人,并非出于政治动机。“针对特朗普总统的指控是证据的结果。两个不同地区的陪审团根据起诉书中所指控他的行为,得出了这一结论,”史密斯在开场陈述中说。“我们的调查获取了无可辩驳的证据,证明特朗普总统参与了犯罪活动。如果今天被问及是否要根据同样的事实起诉一位前总统,我都会这么做,而无论这位前总统是共和党人还是民主党人。”

“No matter what you say, there is no legitimate basis for what you did, especially since your staff killed an investigation into the [Hillary] Clinton campaign. Donations to Republican groups wasn't necessary for your investigation, which is proved out by the fact that it was not mentioned in your public report,” the lawmaker said. Smith in his opening statement said the blame for criminal charges lays at Trump’s feet and was not motivated by politics. “The charges against President Trump were the result of the evidence. Grand juries in two separate districts reached this conclusion based on his actions, as alleged in the indictments they returned,” Smith said in his opening statements.

这位前检察官还为他的团队辩护,他们中的大多数人因与这项调查有关联而被特朗普领导的司法部解雇。

“Our investigation developed proof beyond a reasonable doubt that President Trump engaged in criminal activity. If asked whether to prosecute a former President based on the same facts today, I would do so regardless of whether that President was a Republican or a Democrat.”

“这些人是我们的守护者——他们是国家安全领域的专家,也是腐败调查方面的专家;他们仅仅因为处理了某个‘错误的案件’就被解雇了——这种事在我的职业生涯中从未发生过。我在任何共和党或民主党政府中都从未见过类似的情况,”史密斯说道。当克鲁兹后来问他是否感到后悔时,史密斯回应道:“我感到遗憾的是,与我共事的人被不公平地解雇了,还遭到了诋毁。”

The former prosecutor also stood up for his staff, most of whom were fired from the Trump-led DOJ given their association with the investigation. “These are people who stood sentry for us, experts in national security, experts in corruption investigations, who were simply fired because they worked on the wrong case-that has never happened in my career. I have never seen anything remotely like it in any Republican or Democratic administration,” Smith said.

听证会上最引人关注的环节之一,是密苏里州共和党参议员埃里克·施密特质问史密斯是否在2024年2月参加了亚特兰大老鹰队的篮球比赛。史密斯显然对这个问题感到困惑,随后施密特解释说:那场篮球比赛实际上发生在富尔顿县地方检察官法尼·威利斯(民主党)公开承认与自己的一名工作人员有恋情之后的第二天——这一事件为针对特朗普的州级诉讼增添了更多戏剧性元素。

When asked later by Cruz whether he had any regrets, Smith retorted, “I regret that the people I worked with have been unfairly fired and vilified.”One of the most widely discussed moments of the hearing came as Missouri Sen. Eric Schmitt (R) pressed Smith about whether he attended an Atlanta Hawks basketball game in February 2024.

史密斯随后主动承认自己当时在马里兰州参加了爱荷华鹰队的比赛,理由是想去看看凯特琳·克拉克的表现。接下来接受提问的明尼苏达州民主党参议员艾米·克洛布查尔推测,施密特可能将“亚特兰大老鹰队”与“爱荷华鹰队”搞混了。她说:“那么,‘Hawkeyes’这个名称可能指的是‘爱荷华大学’吧……也许这就是造成混淆的原因。”

Smith was clearly confused by the question and then Schmitt provided more context, noting that the basketball game would have fallen the day after Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) acknowledged dating one of her staffers — a drama-filled development in the state-level case against Trump. Smith later volunteered he had attended a Iowa Hawkeyes game in Maryland, saying he had wanted to see Caitlin Clark play. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), who was next in line for questioning, posited that Schmitt may have confused the Atlanta Hawks with the Iowa Hawkeyes.

这个问题的提出引发了施密特与委员会中的民主党成员之间的激烈争论;民主党成员指出,施密特的团队迅速删除了那些似乎包含体育场座位编号的短信。后来施密特让步了,并将相关图表展示出来供史密斯参考。目前尚不清楚施密特为何非要追问史密斯是否去过亚特兰大。在质询过程中,史密斯表示自己从未见过威利斯。

“Could it then be that University of Iowa is the Hawkeyes? … That might be the confusion over the names of the team,” she said. The question led to heated moments between Schmitt and the committee’s Democrats — who noted that his staff swiftly swept away text messages that appeared to reference stadium seat numbers. Schmitt later relented and placed the chart up for Smith’s response. It’s unclear what Schmitt’s goal was in seeking out whether Smith had ever been to Atlanta.

施密特对克洛布彻就他的提问引发“公开会议”感到愤怒,并指责她“试图为证人辩护”。施密特说:“我向他出示了短信,内容关于他希望与那些显然可能与他亚特兰大办公室协调的起诉工作有关的人会面。”史密斯表示,如果案件在法庭上进一步推进,他计划传唤多名共和党证人,他告诉参议员达琳·格雷厄姆(南卡罗来纳州共和党籍),他甚至可能会传唤她的兄弟出庭作证。

During his questioning, Smith said he never met Willis. Schitt fumed at Klobuchar for igniting an “open session” about his questions and accused her of “trying to rehabilitate the witness.”“I presented him with text messages about him wanting to meet with people that could have obviously been related to the prosecution that was coordinated with his office in Atlanta,” Schmitt said.

此前,达琳·格雷厄姆质疑史密斯为何调取她已故的兄弟、前参议员林赛·格雷厄姆(南卡罗来纳州共和党籍)的通话记录。史密斯说:“我相信你的兄弟是一位爱国的公职人员。他不是我们调查的目标,事实上,他很可能会成为我们案子中的证人。你的兄弟调查了唐纳德·特朗普提出的指控。他发现这些指控是虚假的。”

Smith said he planned to call a number of GOP witnesses had the case further progressed in court, telling Sen. Darlene Graham (R-S.C.) he perhaps would have called her brother to testify. The comment came as Darlene Graham questioned why Smith sought phone records of her late brother, former Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

随后,达琳·格雷厄姆打断了他的赞扬。史密斯还表示,他后悔在案件审理期间没有发表更多公开声明,他赞同参议员汤姆·蒂利斯(北卡罗来纳州共和党籍)的观点,即司法部必须对公众保持公开,以树立其工作合法性的支持。他在回答蒂利斯的问题时说:“我在职业生涯中作为一名检察官学到的事情之一,就是你只能在法庭上发言,而不能在法院台阶上发言。”

“I believe your brother was a patriotic public servant. He was not a target of our investigation, and in fact, he likely would have been a witness in our case. Your brother investigated the claims that Donald Trump was making. He found them to be false,” Smith said, before Darlene Graham cut short his kudos. Smith also said he regretted not offering more public statements while the case was ongoing, agreeing with Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) that the DOJ t has to be open with the public to build support for the legitimacy of its work. “One of the things that I was taught as a prosecutor through my career is you only do your talking in the courtroom, and that you don't talk on the courthouse steps,” he said in response to a question from Tillis.

“我从这次经历中学到的一点是,如果你墨守成规、仅此而已,人们就会以某种方式不公正地诋毁你的团队、不公正地诋毁你和你的案件,而你由于不想干涉某人获得公正审判的权利,真的无法做出回应。”

“One of the things that I learned from this experience is that if you stick to that and that alone, people can unfairly malign your team, and unfairly malign you and your case in a way, and you really can't respond because you don't want to interfere with someone's right to a fair trial.”