2024年9月28日，距离大选日约五周前，唐纳德·特朗普总统在白宫接受了《时代》杂志的专访。
On Sept. 28, about five weeks before Election Day, President Donald Trump sat down for an interview with TIME in the White House.
《时代》杂志已发布了该对话的记录。以下是对特朗普在采访中部分言论的核查。
TIME has published the transcript of that conversation. Below is a review of some of Trump’s statements from the interview.
特朗普言论：“我赢下了所有七个摇摆州。他们说如果你赢下三个摇摆州，我赢下了所有七个。我赢下了各县。这非常重要，86%的普选票。”事实核查：特朗普确实在2024年总统大选中赢得了普选票，也确实赢下了所有七个摇摆州，但他混淆了两个数字。他以49.8%的得票率对卡玛拉·哈里斯的48.3%赢得了普选票。他以312张对哈里斯的226张选举人票、领先86张选举人票的优势赢得了选举人团。
What Trump Said: “I won all seven swing states. They said if you won three swing states, I won all seven. I won the counties. It's very important, 86% popular vote.”The Facts: Trump did win the popular vote in the 2024 presidential election, and he did win all seven swing states, but he’s conflating two figures. He won the popular vote by receiving 49.8% of the vote to Kamala Harris' 48.3%. He won the electoral college by 86 votes, 312 to Harris’s 226.
他并未赢下这七个摇摆州的所有县份，但他让许多评论员大跌眼镜，在底特律、密尔沃基和费城都会区的县份取得了胜利。
He did not win all of the counties in the seven swing states, but he surprised many pundits by winning counties in the Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia metro areas.
他们的经济垮了。他们的通胀率在300%左右。”截至8月底，据《纽约时报》报道，伊朗央行报告的通胀率为84%。该国食品价格飞涨，伊朗货币里亚尔兑美元汇率跌至历史低点，达到250万里亚尔兑1美元。到2025年底，汇率为120万里亚尔兑1美元。我认为是媒体灌输给他们的。”
Their economy is gone. Their inflation is at 300% or something like that.”At the end of August, Iran’s Central Bank reported inflation at 84%, according to The New York The price of food in the country has skyrocketed and Iran’s currency hit a record low, tumbling to 2.5 million rials to the U.S. dollar. At the end of 2025, the exchange rate was 1.2 million rials to the dollar. I think the press fed it to them.”
特朗普是在回应为何许多人认为伊朗战争会在四到六周内结束的提问。
Trump was responding to being asked why many thought the war in Iran would be over in four to six weeks.
“史诗般的愤怒”行动于2月28日发起。在3月初的采访中，总统表示该行动将持续四到五周。
Operation Epic Fury launched Feb. 28. In early March interviews the President said the action would last four to five weeks.
“昨晚经该海峡通过的石油数量，创下了该海峡历史上的最高纪录。”
“We had more barrels of oil come through last night than at any time in the history of the Strait.”
多项报告显示，战前每天约有2000万桶石油通过霍尔木兹海峡。9月26日，美国能源部长克里斯·赖特在福克斯新闻网站上表示，上周有一天，“流出海峡的石油超过2000万桶，高于冲突前的水平。目前日均接近1300万桶。”据《中东油气》报道，石油通过量约为每天1300万桶，相当于战前水平的约77%。
Various reports show about 20 million barrels of oil moving through the Strait of Hormuz daily before the war. On Sept. 26, Energy Secretary Chris Wright said on Fox News that there was a day last week “where over 20 million barrels of oil, more than pre-conflict levels, flowed out of the straits. The running average today is almost 13 million barrels a day.”According to Oil & Gas Mideast oil is flowing at about 13 million barrels per day, about 77% of pre-war levels.
“过去几个月里，他们杀害了7.5万人。抗议者……”特朗普所说的是，伊朗政权在2025年12月底开始、持续至1月中旬的抗议活动期间杀害平民。
“They killed 75,000 people in the last number of months. Protesters…” Trump is referring to the killing of civilians by the Iranian regime during protests that began at the end of December 2025 and lasted until mid-January.
抗议活动始于德黑兰，当时该国货币崩溃。随后，抗议活动演变为一场席卷全国的反政府运动，并在1月8日和9日达到最为致命的阶段。伊朗当局切断互联网，并展开了镇压行动。如今，这场镇压被认为是伊朗政府自1979年革命以来造成死亡人数最多的政府镇压行动。
The protests began in Tehran after the country’s currency collapsed, and morphed into a widespread anti-regime movement that expanded across the country—until reaching its deadliest peak on Jan 8th and 9th. Iranian authorities responded to the protests by cutting off the internet and embarking on what is now considered the deadliest government crackdown by the Government of Iran since the 1979 Revolution.
实际死亡人数可能低于特朗普所称的数字，而且这场镇压被认为在更早时候就已达到死亡人数最高的阶段。伊朗国营媒体将死亡人数列为3117人，而人权组织估计死亡人数达数万人。
The death toll was likely lower than Trump alleges—and the crackdown is believed to have reached its deadliest point earlier this year. Iran’s state run media has put the death toll at 3,117, while human rights organizations estimate it to be in the tens of thousands.
1月底，伊朗卫生部的两名高级官员告诉《时代》杂志，仅1月8日和9日两天，就可能有多达3万名抗议者遇害。“我们在以色列很受欢迎，支持率大约是99%。”
At the end of January, two senior officials from Iran’s Ministry of Health told TIME that as many as 30,000 protesters could have been killed on Jan. 8th and 9th alone. “We're popular [in Israel], like 99%”
一项显示特朗普在以色列人中支持率达到99%的民调并不存在，但过去他在以色列的民调表现一直不错。皮尤研究中心2026年的一项调查发现，“66%的人信任特朗普，而对其他领导人有信心的比例最多只有三分之一。”犹太人民政策研究所2026年的一项调查发现，73%的以色列人认为，在维护以色列利益方面，特朗普是一位高于平均水平的美国总统；49%的人称他是为以色列服务的最佳美国总统之一。
A poll showing a 99% approval rating for Trump among Israelis does not exist, but he has polled well in Israel in the past. A 2026 Pew Research Center survey found “66% have confidence in Trump, while only a third or fewer have confidence in the other leaders.”A 2026 by the Jewish People Policy Institute found 73% of Israelis think of Trump as a better-than-average U.S. president for Israel’s interests, and 49% described him as one of the best U.S. presidents for Israel.
然而，这项民调的结果因党派立场而截然不同：92%的以色列右翼人士称特朗普是一位高于平均水平的总统，但以色列左翼中只有34%对特朗普持正面看法。
However, the poll was sharply divided on party lines, with 92% of the Israeli right calling Trump an above-average president, but only 34% of the Israeli left had a positive view of Trump.
“他（[拜登]）允许了2500万本不该出现在这里的人。”美国海关与边境保护局没有数据支持2500万这一数字，而且缺乏有关无证移民人数的确切数据。该机构会追踪入境口岸的遭遇情况，包括企图非法入境而被拘留的人，以及寻求合法入境但被认定不符合资格的人。从2021财年开始至2024年末，该机构报告了1080万次此类遭遇。过去20年来，皮尤研究中心一直自行估算美国无证移民人数，并于2025年报告称，2023年美国有1400万无证移民，创历史新高。
He [Biden] allowed 25 million people that shouldn't have been here.”There is no U.S. Customs and Border Protection data to back up this 25 million number, and there is a lack of definitive data on unauthorized immigrant numbers. The agency tracks encounters at ports of entry, instances of people being detained for trying to enter illegally or who were seeking legal entry but deemed ineligible. Between the start of the 2021 fiscal year through late 2024, the agency reported 10.8 million of these encounters. Pew Research Center has been publishing its own estimates of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. for the last two decades and reported in 2025 that there were 14 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2023—an all-time high.
“看看贫困率数据。这是我们有史以来……最低的水平。”这是正确的。根据美国人口普查局的年度贫困报告，官方贫困率降至10.2%——创下了该机构自1959年开始追踪以来的历史最低纪录。然而，该局还发布了一项创建于2009年的补充贫困指标（SPM），该指标将食品券和住房补贴等政府福利计算在内，并对贫困采用了更广泛的视角，即考虑家庭是否有资源满足基本需求——如食品、住房、衣物和公用事业。
“Look at the poverty numbers. The lowest we've had in…ever.”This is correct. According to the Census Bureau’s annual poverty report, the official poverty rate fell to 10.2%—the lowest on record since the agency began tracking in 1959. However, the bureau also publishes a supplementary poverty measure (SPM), created in 2009, which accounts for government benefits, like food stamps and housing subsidies, and has a more expansive view of poverty that considers whether a household has the resources for basic needs—like food, housing, clothes, and utilities.
2025年，SPM为13.1%，比2021年7.7%的历史最低点高出几个百分点。人口普查局的报告还依赖于2025年3月进行的一项调查数据——当时距离特朗普就任总统仅三个月。“当我接手时，我继承了历史上最严重的通货膨胀。”
The SPM was at 13.1% in 2025, several percentage points above its all-time low of 7.7% in 2021. The Census Bureau’s report also relies on data from a survey conducted in March 2025—just three months into Trump’s presidency. “When I took over, I inherited the greatest inflation in history.”
美国经济的官方通胀目标是……在特朗普第一任期即将结束的2020年1月，通胀率为2.5%。到当年12月其任期结束时，通胀率降至……在乔·拜登的领导下，通胀率在2022年达到9.1%的峰值，这是该国自1980年通胀率触及……以来的最高通胀水平。然而，到拜登任期结束时，通胀率降至……“看哪，我们正在美国建造更多的汽车厂，而且比以往建造的规模都要大，前所未有。”汽车制造商似乎并未在建造新工厂，而是在很大程度上对现有工厂进行改造。
The Federal Reserve’s official inflation target for the U.S. economy is Towards the end of Trump’s first term, in Jan. 2020, the inflation rate was 2.5 %. By the time his term ended that Dec., it was at Under Joe Biden, inflation reached a peak of in 2022, the highest inflation the country had seen since 1980, when it hit However, by the end of Biden’s term, inflation dropped to“Look, we're building more automobile plants in the United States, and bigger ones, than we've ever built before.”Instead of building new factories, automakers appear to be largely adapting current ones.
通用汽车也已宣布计划将其位于密歇根州、田纳西州、俄亥俄州和堪萨斯州的数家内燃机工厂改造为电动汽车生产厂，因为该公司正朝着在2035年前停止销售燃油车的方向迈进。现代汽车宣布将投资58亿美元在路易斯安那州建设一座钢厂，以生产供现代汽车在美现有的两家汽车厂使用的钢材。
General Motors has also announced plans to convert a number of internal combustion engine plants—located in Michigan, Tennessee, Ohio, and Kansas— to EV production as it moves to end the sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035 Hyundai announced that it will invest $5.8 billion in a steel plant in Louisiana to produce steel that will be used by Hyundai’s two existing U.S. auto plants.
日产汽车设定了减少从日本进口的目标，计划到2030年将其在美国销售的车辆中80%实现本土生产。然而，该公司没有新建工厂的计划。
Nissan has a target to reduce imports from Japan, aiming to produce 80% of the vehicles it sells in the U.S. domestically by 2030. However, the company has no plans to open a new plant.
“我们举办了一场大会，获得了1.07亿次观看，但愚蠢的是，它被安排在与NFL揭幕战同时播出。我们的观看量更高，他们只有2500万，而我们达到了1.07亿。”收视率数据却讲述了另一个故事。
“We did a convention that had 107 million views, and it stupidly was put opposite the NFL opening, and we got more views, they got 25 million, we got 107 [million].”The ratings tell a different story.
尼尔森数据显示，特朗普9月9日在达拉斯举行的共和党中期选举大会上发表的约两小时演讲，在福克斯新闻的平均观众人数为250万，该频道是唯一完整播出此次演讲的主要有线电视网络。NBC表示，爱国者队对阵海鹰队的NFL揭幕战平均观看量为2510万。
Nielsen data showed that Trump’s approximately two-hour speech at the GOP midterm convention on Sep. 9 in Dallas averaged 2.5 million viewers on Fox News, the only major cable network to carry the speech in full. NBC said the Patriots-Seahawks NFL kickoff game averaged 25.1 million views.
“我们新增的制造业岗位数量超过了我们国家历史上的任何时期。”根据劳工统计局的数据，制造业就业人数在1979年达到峰值，为1960万。尽管8月份新增了1.6万个制造业岗位，但总数为1260万，远低于1979年的峰值。
“We got more manufacturing jobs coming online than at any time in the history of our country.”Manufacturing employment peaked in 1979 with 19.6 million jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. While 16,000 manufacturing jobs were added in August, the total number is 12.6 million, well below the 1979 peak.