我认为民主党内部正在发生的事情非常有成效。我认为即使是关于“美国民主社会主义者（DSA）局外人”以及“这些极端思想是否是我们所代表的？”的艰难对话，也表明我们正在将讨论扩展到能够以实质方式改善人们生活的政策上，而不仅仅是阻止特朗普政府的最坏行为。我们还可以让医疗保健系统为全国每个人提供更好的服务。这是一个真正的考量。
I think what’s going on in the Democratic party is very productive. I think even the hard conversations over ‘DSA outsiders’ and: ‘Are these extreme ideas what we stand for?’I think it shows that we’re expanding the conversation to policies that will help people’s lives in a real material way, and that we don’t have to only stop the worst of the Trump administration. We can also make healthcare work significantly better for everyone in the country. That’s a real consideration.
我们怎样才能真正获胜并坚守最重要的东西？我认为我们正在看到一条既能赢得更多选票又能坚守我们价值观的途径。促使民主党向右转的逻辑基础是“至少这对选举有利”或者“至少我们会赢，然后我们可以在之后考虑所有的考量和改革。但首先我们必须赢。”好吧，卡玛拉没有赢，那现在怎么办？许多温和派民主党人也没有赢。希拉里也没有赢。那种逻辑并不像他们认为的那样稳固。
What’s the way that we can actually win and hold on to what’s most important? I think we’re seeing that there’s a route that we can both win more and hold on to our values. The whole basis of the logic that shifts the Democrats right is that ‘at least it’s what’s good for elections’ or ‘at least we’ll win, and then we can think about all the considerations and all the reform afterward. But first we have to win.’Well, Kamala didn’t win, so what now? Plenty of moderate Democrats did not win. Hillary didn’t win. That logic is not as sound as they think it is.