保守派评论员塔克·卡尔森在周五与前英国商务大臣雅各布·里斯-莫格的访谈中声称，英国参与第二次世界大战并非明智之举。他似乎还为阿道夫·希特勒入侵波兰的理由进行了辩护。在这场长达一小时的对话中，两人就英国在欧洲冲突中的历史角色以及二战的影响展开讨论。卡尔森表示：“我一直都不明白为何要打这场第二次世界大战。”他认为英国本不应出面保护波兰免受纳粹入侵，因为英国“与此事毫无关系”。
Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson claimed that the UK fighting in World War II was not a good idea and appeared to defend elements of Adolf Hitler's justification for invading Poland during a Friday interview with former UK business secretary Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg. During the hour-long interview, as the two debated Britain's historical role in European conflicts and the legacy of World War II, Carlson asserted that he “never understood why fight the Second World War in the first place,” arguing that the UK should not have defended Poland from Nazi invasion because Britain “had nothing to do with it at all.”“Well, Hitler said that 15% of Poland was once Germany and it was given to Poland at the Treaty of Versailles,” Carlson continued, claiming that he was not defending Adolf Hitler.
“希特勒曾指出，波兰境内有15%的土地原本属于德国，这些土地是根据《凡尔赛条约》才划归波兰的，”卡尔森继续说道，并强调自己并非在为希特勒辩护。“那些地方原本就是德国领土，居住着德国人。这就是他的理由，而且事实上也确实如此。”他还称：“英国与此事毫无关联。可他们却为了这场本就不该打的战争而毁掉了自己的帝国与国家。至今他们仍声称这场战争是值得的，其实根本不是这样。”
“That was German territory with Germans in it. That was his case. And by the way, that was true.”“The UK had nothing to do with it at all. And they destroyed their empire and their country fighting this war that they still pretend was a good idea, but it wasn't,” Carlson said of Britain's involvement in the Second World War.
卡尔森进一步声称：“所谓希特勒毫无缘由便入侵波兰的说法纯属谎言……希特勒曾多次表示，‘我并不想与英国开战’。”对此，里斯-莫格对卡尔森有关希特勒的言论表示惊讶：“我很惊讶你居然近乎在为希特勒辩护。我觉得这并非你真正想做的事。”卡尔森则回应道：“嗯，或许我是个‘秘密纳粹’吧。”不过他随即又补充道：“其实我既不是秘密纳粹，更不是公开的纳粹。”
He further alleged that “the idea that Hitler just randomly rolled into Poland is a lie… Hitler repeatedly said, 'I do not want to go to war with the UK,'” he continued. Rees-Mogg challenges Carlson on Hitler remarksRees-Mogg expressed surprise at Carlson's remarks about Hitler.“I'm very surprised you're verging on defending Hitler. I think this is not really what you want to be doing," he said.“Yeah, I guess I'm just a secret Nazi,” Carlson replied before quickly asserting, “I'm actually not a secret Nazi. And hardly a public Nazi. I'm just someone who tries to think clearly about cause and effect.”
“我只是个试图理性思考因果关系的人罢了。”雅各布·里斯-莫格爵士解释道，英国的现役军队规模仅相当于纽约警察局人数的一半左右，但英国仍必须为与俄罗斯开战做好准备。0:00 这场战争究竟是什么？为何英国必须参战？19:40 民众是否普遍支持对俄开战？2026年10月2日里斯-莫格为英国的所作所为辩护，称第二次世界大战“正是正义与邪恶的较量”。
Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg explains how Britain, which has a combat ready military force about half the size of New York's police department, must prepare for war with Russia.0:00 What Is This War and Why Does Britain Need to Fight It?19:40 Is There Majority Support for War With… October 2, 2026Rees-Mogg defended the UK's actions, asserting that World War II “was the classic good versus evil.”“Germany would eventually have invaded us,” Rees-Mogg continued. Throughout the conversation, Carlson circled back to the topic of World War II, repeatedly asking Rees-Mogg if defeating the Nazis and protecting the UK's allies were “worth losing everything” and “destroying all of Europe.”
他接着说道：“德国最终肯定会入侵我们。”在整个对话过程中，卡尔森不断把话题引回到第二次世界大战上，反复询问里斯-莫格：击败纳粹、保护英国的盟友是否“值得付出一切代价”，是否“值得让整个欧洲沦为废墟”。卡尔森认为，从他的角度来看，第二次世界大战导致英国丧失了主权与尊严。“在我看来，这对你们而言绝非好事，”他对里斯-莫格说道。
Carlson asserted that from his perspective, World War II caused Britain to lose sovereignty and self-respect. “I don't think it was a good thing for you at all,” he told Rees-Mogg.