参议员汤姆·蒂利斯（R-北卡罗来纳州）周一表示，特朗普总统因2021年1月6日国会山袭击事件而遭到弹劾一事“分量极重”，而他的弹劾审判则是一场“不信任投票”。
Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) on Monday said President Trump's impeachment in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol Hill attack was "weighty" and his impeachment trial was a "vote of no confidence."
MSNBC的阿里·梅尔伯在《The Beat》节目中采访了蒂利斯，两人谈到了蒂利斯即将出版的新书《如何失去朋友并招惹总统》，该书将于周二发行。
MS NOW's Ari Melber spoke with Tillis on "The Beat," where the two talked about Tillis's upcoming book "How to Lose Friends and Antagonize Presidents," which comes out Tuesday.
梅尔伯播放了特朗普对袭击事件中被指控和定罪人员发表讲话的画面，包括特朗普警告说“那些触犯法律的人，你们将付出代价”。
Melber played footage of Trump's remarks to people charged and convicted of the attack, including Trump's warning that "those who broke the law, you will pay."
随后梅尔伯询问这位参议员，在特朗普赦免了所有被指控和定罪的人之后，参议院是否应该追究总统的责任。“有过什么审判？”蒂利斯反问。“我是说，没有律师辩护，没有证人。这是一场不信任投票。
Melber then asked the senator if the Senate should hold the president accountable after he pardoned everyone charged and convicted. "What trial was there?" Tillis asked. "I mean, there was no counsel. There were no witnesses. It was a vote of no confidence.
如果他们花费了历史上弹劾美国总统这样分量极重的事情通常所需的时间，也许他们能说服我。但这是一次仓促的弹劾。”
If they had gone and spent the time that, historically, you spend with something as weighty as impeaching the President of the United States, maybe they could have convinced me. But it was a snap impeachment."
蒂利斯表示，他的回忆录的前提是“除非双方都认识到他们对这种升级负有责任，从奥巴马时期一直到特朗普2.0时代，否则你们只会看到选举——让一个党下台，另一个党上台，而他们会以前任政府的行为来为自己可憎的行为辩护，如此循环往复。”
Tillis said the premise of his memoir "is until both parties recognize that they are responsible for this escalation, beginning with Obama up to Trump 2, then you're only going to find elections –– taking one party out of power, putting another one in and they will justify their abhorrent behavior based upon the behavior of the prior administration and so on and so forth."
梅尔伯回到他的问题上，蒂利斯回答说，只要快速弹劾审判的先例存在，当未来面临可弹劾罪行的总统时，这种手段只会被进一步贬低。
Melber returned to his question, to which Tillis replied that as long as the precedent is in place for a fast impeachment trial, it will only be diminished further when used against a future president facing impeachable offenses.
蒂利斯投票赞成无罪释放特朗普，并在最近接受罗斯·杜萨特为CBS新闻《60分钟》节目采访时为自己的选择进行了辩护。
Tillis voted to acquit Trump, and he defended his choice in a recent interview with Ross Douthat for CBS News’s "60 Minutes."
“你所做的是一种目的证明手段合理的合理化论证，”这位北卡罗来纳州共和党人谈到特朗普的快速第二次弹劾时说道。"如此廉价化弹劾程序以阻止某人未来参选，我根本不买账。"
“What you’re doing is a means-justifies-the-end rationalization," the North Carolina Republican said about Trump's quick second impeachment. "So cheapening the impeachment process to prevent someone from running in the future, I just don’t buy it."
在谈及1月6日国会山骚乱的那段对话中，蒂利斯警告称，若共和党在11月中期选举后失去国会控制权，特朗普可能会向共和党人开火。
During the part of the conversation about the Jan. 6 attack, Tillis warned that Trump could lash out at Republicans if they lose Congress after the November midterm elections.
蒂利斯表示，若共和党在11月惨败，特朗普攻击共和党议员将是错误之举，他指出了特朗普低迷的支持率及选民对生活成本的担忧。"
Tillis said it would be a mistake for Trump to attack GOP lawmakers if the party loses badly in November, pointing to his low approval rating and voters' concerns over affordability.
若我们这么做，将是另一个政治上的非受迫性失误，"蒂利斯对杜哈特说道。
"It would be another political unforced error if we do that," Tillis told Douthat.
因"一个宏伟美好的法案"与总统决裂的蒂利斯，去年宣布今年11月不寻求连任。特朗普随即抨击他为"光说不练的抱怨者，而非实干家。"
Tillis, who parted with the president over the One Big, Beautiful Bill Act, announced last year that he would not seek reelection this November. Trump lashed out, calling him a "talker and complainer, NOT A DOER."