
OpenAI和Anthropic的代表在英国议会听证会上表示,自愿承诺已不足以确保安全,应引入新法律,这进一步加深了与谷歌DeepMind和Meta的公开分歧,后两者均拒绝支持新立法。
Representatives for OpenAI and Anthropic told a British parliamentary hearing that voluntary pledges were no longer enough to ensure safety and that new laws should be introduced, deepening a public schism with Google DeepMind and Meta, both of which declined to back new legislation.
由跨党派议员组成的商务、创新、科学和贸易委员会周二举行了证词听证会,出席的包括四家前沿人工智能公司代表、四名前员工转为举报人的前雇员以及英国高级公务员。
The Business, Innovation, Science, and Trade Committee, comprising a cross-party panel of MPs, held an evidence session on Tuesday with appearances from four frontier AI firms, four former staff of the firms turned whistleblowers and senior British civil servants.
当被问及公司是否认为人工智能安全现在需要一个法定框架时,Anthropic欧洲事务负责人利亚姆·布斯-史密斯对委员会表示:“规则应具有约束力。”他表示,该公司“一贯认为应对公司制定具有约束力的规则,而自愿承诺是不够的。”OpenAI副总裁汤姆·达夫·戈登则更为谨慎但仍持支持态度,主张建立法定框架和国际公约。达夫·戈登表示:“应有一些强制性的内容,”从事件报告开始。“我们认为仅依赖自愿承诺来应对前沿风险不是一个良好的长期计划。”他补充道。
“The rules should be binding,” Anthropic’s head of Europe Liam Booth-Smith told the committee, when asked if the company’s view was that AI safety now needs a statutory framework. The company, he said, has “consistently believed that there should be binding rules on companies and that voluntary commitments are not enough.”OpenAI vice president Tom Duff Gordon was more cautious but still supportive, backing a statutory framework and an international convention. Duff Gordon said “there should be some elements that should be mandatory,” starting with incident reporting. “We don’t think basing everything on voluntary commitments for frontier risk is a good long-term plan,” he said.
然而,他们的竞争对手不会跟随。当被直接问及他是否支持制定法定框架时,谷歌DeepMind的欧文·拉特(Owen Larter)表示:“我们将专注于制定标准。”Meta的罗布·舍曼(Rob Sherman)则指向英国现有的监管机构,告诉议员们他们“不是在白纸上写字”。
However, their rivals would not follow. Asked directly whether he supported a statutory framework, Google DeepMind’s Owen Larter said: “Focus on the standards is what we would be doing.”Meta’s Rob Sherman pointed to Britain’s existing regulators, telling MPs they were “not writing on a blank page.”
此次听证会暴露了在监管问题上已有的分歧,将AI领袖们的冲突方法记录在了英国议会的官方记录中。根据议会特别委员会主席利亚姆·伯恩(Liam Byrne)的说法,在第二个司法管辖区暴露这种分歧正是目的。他告诉《WIRED》杂志,委员会的目标是“揭示地球上一些最富有的公司之间在意见上的巨大分歧”,并表明“你不能依赖自愿的自我监管”。虽然这四位高管在委员会面前就AI安全作证,但仅几百米之外,英国安全局局长发布了关于AI危险的警告。
The hearing exposed an existing divide on the subject of regulation, putting the conflicting approaches of AI leaders on the British parliamentary record. Exposing this divide in a second jurisdiction was the point, according to select committee chair Liam Byrne. The committee set out “to light up the wide differences in opinions between some of the wealthiest firms on Earth,” he told WIRED after the hearing, and to show “that you couldn’t rely on voluntary self-regulation.”While the four executives gave evidence to the committee on AI safety, only a few hundred meters away, Britain’s security service director issued a warning about the dangers of AI.
MI5局长肯·麦卡勒姆(Ken McCallum)利用年度威胁更新警告称,生物武器的滥用是AI带来的重大威胁。“尚未实现,但我认为最应重视的滥用案例是,AI有可能改变现有甚至全新生物武器的风险程度,”麦卡勒姆说道。
MI5 director Ken McCallum used his annual threat update to warn of bioweapon misuse as a significant threat from AI. “Not yet realized, but the misuse case to which I’d attach greatest weight, is AI’s potential to change the stakes on existing or even new bioweapons,” McCallum said.
对此评论,伯恩对《WIRED》表示:“MI5局长在怀特厅的一部分警告生物恐怖分子将获得极其危险的能力提升,而在怀特厅的另一部分,内阁办公室的常任秘书基本承认我们对AI的监管框架是自愿的——这告诉你你所需要知道的一切。”在证词会议的最后部分,公职人员向委员会承认现有体系几乎没有强制力。英国AI安全研究所(AISI)在模型发布前进行测试,但仅限于公司自愿提交的情况。
Responding to this comment, Byrne told WIRED: “The fact that the head of MI5 is warning about incredibly dangerous capability uplifts for bioterrorists in one part of Whitehall, and then in another part of Whitehall the permanent secretary of the Cabinet Office is basically admitting that our regulatory regime for AI is voluntary, tells you everything you need to know.”In the final part of the evidence session, civil servants conceded to the committee how little the current system compels. Britain’s AI Security Institute (AISI) tests frontier models before release, but only when companies choose to hand them over.
AISI 总监亨利·德·佐伊特承认,该研究所完全依赖公司和外国政府的合作才能获得访问权限。负责 AISI 的内阁办公室最高文职官员凯特·利特尔被追问整个制度是否完全自愿。她表示:“目前,是的,是自愿的。”
Henry de Zoete, director of AISI, acknowledged that the institute was entirely reliant on the cooperation of the companies and foreign governments in order to gain access. Cat Little, the top civil servant at the Cabinet Office, which houses AISI, was pressed on whether the whole regime was voluntary. “At the moment, yes, it is,” she said.
当被问及如果 AISI 判断某模型过于危险,但公司仍然发布该模型会发生什么时,德·佐伊特承认 AISI 没有能力阻止公司这样做。
When asked what would happen if AISI judged a model to be too dangerous, but it was released by a company anyway, de Zoete acknowledged AISI had no ability to prevent them from doing so.
他说道:“我们并不在进行风筝标记,”德·佐伊特说,使用了英国对安全认证的术语。“我们不对任何类型的模型说是或否。”他补充道:“这些公司要么是美国的,要么是中国的,正在前沿进行建设……在这种背景下,作为英国,我们能做的事情只有这么多。”
“What we’re not doing is kite marking,” de Zoete said, using the British term for a safety certification. “We’re not saying yes or no to any sort of model.”He added: “These companies are either American or Chinese who are building at the frontier … There’s only so much we, as the UK, can do in that kind of context.”
前沿高管们也明确表示,英国的访问权限是通过华盛顿实现的。OpenAI 的达夫·戈登表示:“我们在模型部署前向 CAISI 提供我们的模型,”他指的是 AISI 的美国对应机构。“我们将继续在英国向 AISI 提供模型的预部署版本……只要我们能够在美国政府的框架下这样做,我们就会继续这样做。”Anthropic 的布斯-史密斯向英国官员明确了现有安排中的紧张关系。
The frontier executives also made plain that British access runs through Washington. “We provide our models predeployment to CAISI,” OpenAI’s Duff Gordon said, referring to AISI’s US counterpart. “We will continue to provide our models pre-deployment to AISI in the UK … and as long as we’re able to do that under the US government, we will continue to do it.”The tension of the existing arrangement was made clear to British officials by Anthropic’s Booth-Smith.
“不幸的是,当时我们无法向英国 AISI 提供 [Mythos 5.1] 的完全无限制访问……这是美国政府需要解决的问题,”他说,随后补充道,AISI 现在已经获得了访问权限。
“We unfortunately were not able to provide full unrestricted access to [Mythos 5.1] to UK AISI at that time ... That’s a question for the US government,” he said before adding that AISI now had access.
该会议还听取了四名前实验室研究人员的发言,其中包括前OpenAI员工丹尼尔·科科塔约。他告诉议员们:“我认为这些公司不能被信任来自我监管。”斯蒂文·阿德勒于2024年底离开OpenAI,他说自己“对整个行业的安全文化没有信心。”杰弗里·欧文表示,实验室认为自己正陷入一场政府不会中断且他们无法退出的竞赛。
The session also heard from four former lab researchers, among them ex-OpenAI staffer Daniel Kokotajlo. “I don’t think the companies can be trusted to self-regulate,” he told MPs. Steven Adler, who left OpenAI in late 2024, said he was “not confident in the safety culture across the industry.”Geoffrey Irving said the labs believe they are locked in a race that governments will not interrupt and that they cannot leave.
“这两种说法都是错误的,”他说。“他们完全可以只是停下来。”听证会结束后,伯恩对《WIRED》表示,他的委员会现在将投入大量时间,审视英国作为人工智能领域中等强国的前进道路。他希望部长们利用英国即将到来的G20轮值主席国身份,并与紧随其后担任主席的韩国合作,促成一项不依赖当前白宫的国际公约。
“Both of those are false,” he said. “They could just stop.”Following the hearing Byrne told WIRED that his committee would now dedicate a lot of time examining the UK’s path forward as a middle power on AI. He wants ministers to use Britain’s coming G20 presidency, alongside South Korea, which follows it in the chair, to broker an international convention that does not depend on the current White House.
“G20轮值主席国的任期将超过特朗普政府的美国总统任期,”他说。“风险,”他补充道,“正以我们安全体系无法控制的速度增长。”
“The G20 presidency will outlive the US presidency of Trump,” he said. “The risks,” he added, “are multiplying faster than our safety regime can control.”