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众议员里奇·托雷斯讲述员工在其邮件中发现可疑物质经历 | CNN政治Democratic Rep. Ritchie Torres shares his experience after his employees found a suspicious substance in his mail | CNN Politics

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执法机构正在调查寄往全国数十个选举和国会办公室的可疑物质。众议员里奇·托雷斯坐下来分享他办公室将采取哪些预防措施。您今晚收看节目。很高兴您能在这里与我们在一起。嗯,我们先从事情的进展说起。您把那个信封交给了FBI。调查目前进展到哪一步了?>>嗯,我的理解是>>FBI正在调查此事。到目前为止,据我所知,既没有确定嫌疑人,也没有确定动机。

Law enforcement agencies are investigating suspicious substances mailed to dozens of election and congressional offices nationwide. Representative Ritchie Torres sits down to share how his office will be taking precautions YOU TONIGHT. IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US. UM, LET'S START FIRST WITH WHERE THINGS STAND. YOU TURNED THAT ENVELOPE OVER TO THE FBI. WHERE DOES THE INVESTIGATION NOW. >> WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IS THAT THE FBI IS INVESTIGATING THE MATTER. SO FAR, NEITHER THE PERPETRATOR NOR THE MOTIVE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE MOMENT MY STAFF OPENED THE ENVELOPE AND WAS EXPOSED TO WHITE POWDER, WE NOTIFIED THE AUTHORITIES, THE FDNY, THE NYPD RESPONDED PROMPTLY AND ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT THE SUBSTANCE WAS NOT. AND AS YOU THE WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, AT LEAST BASED ON MEDIA REPORTS.

但您知道,当我的工作人员打开信封并接触到白色粉末时,我们立即通知了当局,纽约市消防局和纽约警方迅速作出反应,并最终确定该物质不是……正如您所说,这并非孤立事件,至少根据媒体报道。至少有来自26个州的36名国会议员被针对。因此,这显然是一起有组织的行动。>>是啊。显然是为了制造某种恐惧。嗯,您知道,我不得不思考,每当您的工作人员打开那个信封时,那真是一个令人害怕的时刻。

AT LEAST 36 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN 26 STATES WERE TARGETED. SO THIS WAS CLEARLY A COORDINATED EFFORT. >> YEAH. AND CLEARLY MEANT TO INSTILL SOME SORT OF FEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE TO THINK, WHENEVER YOUR STAFFERS WERE OPENING THAT, THAT'S A REALLY SCARY MOMENT. >> LOOK, WHEN YOU OPEN MAIL AND GET EXPOSED TO WHITE POWDER, YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER IT'S A PRANK OR A CHEMICAL ATTACK. AND THAT UNCERTAINTY CAN BE UNNERVING. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF MY TEAM, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHO CAME OF AGE IN A POST 9/11 WORLD.

看,当您打开邮件并接触到白色粉末时,您无法判断这是恶作剧还是化学攻击。这种不确定性会让人感到不安。而且,我的团队中有几位成员,包括我自己,都是在9/11之后长大的。所以我们足够大,能够记得2001年的炭疽袭击事件。我们深切意识到,我们生活在一个政治暴力威胁已成为新常态的世界里。我的意思是,当选官员及其工作人员正面临前所未有的暴力威胁。

SO WE'RE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS OF 2001. AND IT'S NOT LOST ON US THAT WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THE THREAT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE HAS BECOME A NEW NORMAL. I MEAN, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEIR STAFF ARE FACING THREATS OF VIOLENCE TO AN EXTENT THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. THE NUMBER OF CONGRESSIONAL THREAT ASSESSMENT CASES HAS RISEN FROM 9500 IN 2024 TO NEARLY 15,000 IN 2025. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 60% IN JUST ONE YEAR. >> YEAH. AND TO THAT POINT, THE NEW YORK TIMES HAD AN INVESTIGATION RECENTLY THAT EXAMINED HUNDREDS OF RECORDS, COURT DOCUMENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT LOGS FROM 2024 TO AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.

国会威胁评估案件的数量已从2024年的9500起增加到2025年的近15000起。仅一年就增长了60%。>>是啊。就这一点而言,《纽约时报》最近进行了一项调查,审查了从2024年到今年8月的数百份记录、法庭文件和执法日志。

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS. AND IT FOUND THAT THOUSANDS OF VIOLENT THREATS AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS TOOK PLACE IN UNPRECEDENTED WAYS. UM, WHAT GOES VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THIS IS HAPPENING TO DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS LIKE YOURSELF.

大概两年时间吧。研究结果显示,针对民选官员的暴力威胁事件以前所未有的规模频繁发生。嗯,这与您刚才所说的情况完全吻合吧?这种事情既发生在像您这样的民主党议员身上,也发生在共和党议员身上。您认为这对我们的民主制度以及政治生态意味着什么呢?如果人们觉得自己或家人可能面临危险,就很难说服他们投身政界了。

IT'S HAPPENING TO REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, DO YOU THINK FOR OUR DEMOCRACY AND FOR FOR POLITICS? IT'S HARD TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY TO GET INTO POLITICS IF YOU THINK YOU OR YOUR FAMILY COULD BE AT RISK. >> LOOK, I WORRY THAT FACING THREATS OF VIOLENCE HAS BECOME NOT A BUG, BUT A FEATURE OF POLITICAL LIFE IN THE UNITED STATES. YOU KNOW, MOST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, MOST SENATORS, HAVE BEEN TARGETED WITH THREATS OF VIOLENCE. I'VE BEEN TARGETED WITH DEATH THREATS. I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, I'M GOING TO PUT A BULLET IN YOUR HEAD, OR I'M GOING TO BEAT YOU TO DEATH.

说实话,我担心面对暴力威胁如今已不再是政治生活中的偶然现象,而成了常态。绝大多数国会议员、参议员都曾成为暴力威胁的目标。我也收到过死亡威胁,有人对我说“我要一枪打爆你的脑袋”或者“我要把你打死”。这种情况早已不是个例,而是普遍现象了。我于2021年1月3日宣誓就职,1月6日正是我上任的第三天。当总统为政治暴力行为正名时,我认为这无疑会引发连锁反应——它会助长极端主义,也会破坏自由民主制度的各项保障机制。

AND THAT'S NO LONGER THE EXCEPTION. IT'S BECOME THE RULE. YOU KNOW, I WAS SWORN IN ON JANUARY 3rd, 2021, JANUARY 6th WAS MY THIRD DAY ON THE JOB. WHEN YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO LEGITIMIZES POLITICAL VIOLENCE, I DO BELIEVE IT OPENS THE FLOODGATES. IT EMBOLDENS EXTREMISM. IT IT ERODES THE GUARDRAILS OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

公平地说,正如我提到的,各政治派别都遭遇过类似情况;总统本人也多次遭遇暗杀企图。回到这次具体事件,它是否改变了您的应对态度?今后您会采取什么不同措施来保护自己和工作人员呢?

AND TO BE FAIR, I MEAN, HE'S HAD MULTIPLE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS, ATTEMPTS ON HIS LIFE AS WELL. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS HAPPENING, AS I MENTIONED ACROSS THE SPECTRUM. GOING BACK TO THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT, DOES IT CHANGE YOUR POSTURE IN ANY WAY?

我和我的团队今后仍会谨慎处理邮件。我们会佩戴防护手套和口罩,在专门的邮件检查罩下拆阅信件。我们也会严格遵守众议院制定的各项安全规程。

DO YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY MOVING FORWARD TO PROTECT YOUR STAFF YOURSELF? >> LOOK, MY TEAM AND I WILL CONTINUE TO EXERCISE CAUTION WHEN OPENING MAIL. WE WEAR PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND MASKS. YOU KNOW, WE OPEN MAIL UNDER A MAIL SCREENING HOOD.

没错。很遗憾,在当前的政治环境下,只要您继续担任公职,恐怕就不得不一直这么做下去。不过我们……

WE FOLLOW EVERY PROCEDURE THAT'S BEEN PRESCRIBED TO US BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. >> YEAH. UM, AND I'M SURE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT, UM, FOR AS LONG AS YOU ARE HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW. BUT WE ARE