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“骗子”、“小丑”:卢拉与博尔索纳罗在巴西民调辩论中交锋‘Liar’, ‘clown’: Lula and Bolsonaro spar in Brazil poll debate

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卢拉和弗拉维奥·博尔索纳罗在巴西10月25日决选前进行了激烈的首场辩论,双方在经济、安全、卫生以及与美国的关系等问题上互相指责腐败并交换侮辱。

Lula and Flavio Bolsonaro held a bitter first debate before Brazil’s Oct 25 run-off, trading insults and corruption claims over the economy, security, health and US ties.

民意调查显示博尔索纳罗以51%的支持率略微领先于卢拉的49%,但随着双方在高度两极分化的竞选中激烈交锋,他的领先优势略有下降。

Polls showed Bolsonaro narrowly ahead at 51% to Lula’s 49%, but his lead had slightly fallen as both sides fought in a deeply polarised race.

支持者们在全国范围内集结,圣保罗有71,000人支持博尔索纳罗,里约有56,000人参加卢拉的集会,显示出这场竞选的规模和情感强度。

Supporters rallied nationwide, with 71,000 backing Bolsonaro in Sao Paulo and 56,000 joining Lula in Rio, showing the scale and emotion of the contest.

人工智能生成 圣保罗——巴西总统路易斯·伊纳西奥·卢拉·达席尔瓦和右翼参议员弗拉维奥·博尔索纳罗在10月18日进行了一场尖锐的首场辩论,就在一周后的总统决选前夕。这场选举竞争异常激烈。

AI generated Sao Paulo – Firing off personal attacks, Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and right-wing senator Flavio Bolsonaro held an acrimonious first debate on Oct 18, a week before a tight presidential election run-off. A chaotic exchange between the two men, who called each other liars on multiple occasions, accusing each other of corruption and dragging up various scandals, encapsulated the tone of a bitter election campaign in the deeply polarised nation.

两人之间的交锋混乱不堪,他们多次互相指责对方说谎,互相指控腐败,并翻出各种丑闻,这凸显了在高度两极分化的国家中那场激烈选举运动的基调。

Bolsonaro, 45, son of the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, secured a shock first-round lead over Lula earlier in October and polls predict a close battle for the run-off on Oct 25.

45岁的博尔索纳罗是极右翼前总统雅伊尔·博尔索纳罗的儿子,他在10月初的第一轮投票中意外领先于卢拉,民意调查预测10月25日的决选将是一场胶着的较量。

The two men sparred over the economy, public security, healthcare, corruption, and Brazil’s ties to the United States.

两人在经济、公共安全、医疗保健、腐败以及巴西与美国的关系等问题上展开了激烈争论。

“Brazil is going to retire you,” fired off Bolsonaro, seeking to unnerve his adversary by pacing up and down behind him throughout the debate in view of the camera, shaking his head, smirking and scoffing while his adversary spoke.

“巴西将让你退休,”博尔索纳罗怒吼道,他在辩论期间一直在镜头前后后地来回踱步,试图通过摇头、冷笑和嘲讽来动摇对手,而对手正在发言时。

Lula called Bolsonaro “a habitual liar, a thug,” and said he did not want to stand close to a “militiaman,” alluding to his alleged ties to Rio de Janeiro’s paramilitary groups.

卢拉称博尔索纳罗为“习惯性说谎者、流氓”,并表示他不想靠近一个“民兵”,暗指其 allegedly 与里约热内卢的准军事组织有关联。

Bolsonaro, who made several jabs about Lula’s time jailed for corruption on charges that were later annulled, retorted that it was better he stay at a distance “because my wallet could be stolen”.

博尔索纳罗曾多次嘲讽卢拉因腐败罪名入狱的经历——尽管这些罪名后来被撤销——他反驳说,最好保持距离,“因为我的钱包可能会被偷”。

Lula, who at almost 81 is seeking a fourth term in power, battled to control his irritation at times and repeatedly asked viewers to “look it up on Google” to prove his adversary was lying.

卢拉现在已经快81岁了,正在寻求第四次连任,他时常努力控制自己的恼怒,并多次要求观众“去谷歌搜索一下”,以证明他的对手在撒谎。

While Bolsonaro has led in polls since the first round, his edge slightly narrowed in two polls this week which showed him with 51% of voting intentions compared to 49% for Lula.

尽管自第一轮投票以来,博尔索纳罗一直在民意调查中领先,但本周两项民调显示他的领先优势略有缩小——博尔索纳罗获得51%的投票意向,而卢拉为49%。

‘Subservient’ to US interests Bolsonaro hammered away at the primary concerns of Brazilians – such as the cost of living and insecurity – and accused Lula of “reckless spending to get re-elected” due to various social measures he has announced while campaigning.

博尔索纳罗被指“顺从”美国利益,他猛烈抨击巴西人民的主要关切——如生活成本和不安全感——并指责卢拉“为连任而鲁莽挥霍”,因为他在竞选期间宣布了各项社会措施。

Lula countered by asking Bolsonaro about his plans to emulate the drastic “chainsaw” cuts to public spending implemented by Argentina’s libertarian President Javier Milei, which led to higher unemployment and cuts to benefits.

卢拉则反击,询问博尔索纳罗是否计划效仿阿根廷自由主义总统哈维尔·米莱实施的“大锯”式公共支出削减——该政策导致失业率上升和福利削减。

Throughout the debate, Bolsonaro dodged the question and pivoted to different topics.

在整场辩论中,博尔索纳罗一直回避这个问题,并转而谈论其他话题。

Lula questioned the right-winger’s ties to US President Donald Trump – an ally of the Bolsonaro family – and plans to “hand over” Brazil’s rare earth minerals.

卢拉质疑这位右翼人士与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普的关系——特朗普是博尔索纳罗家族的盟友——以及他计划“交出”巴西的稀土矿产。卢拉说:“博尔索纳罗家族对美国利益的顺从令人惊讶。”

“It is striking how the Bolsonaro family is subservient to American interests,” said Lula. Former president Jair Bolsonaro came up several times, including when his son asked Lula why so many prisoners had supported him in the election.

前总统雅伊尔·博尔索纳罗多次被提及,包括当他的儿子问卢拉为何这么多囚犯在选举中支持他时。

Lula said he wanted all of their votes, including that of Jair Bolsonaro – who is currently serving a 27-year sentence under house arrest for a botched coup bid after his failed 2022 re-election bid.

卢拉表示,他希望获得他们的所有选票,包括雅伊尔·博尔索纳罗的选票——后者目前因在2022年连任失败后策划一次失败的政变未遂,正在居家监禁中服27年徒刑。

“Vote for me, Bolsonaro, you know your son, you know I’m better than him.”

“给我投票,博尔索纳罗,你认识你的儿子,你也知道我比他更好。”‘灾难状态’在这场对决之前,卢拉和博尔索纳罗的数万名支持者在全国各地城市聚集。

‘A state of calamity’Ahead of the showdown, tens of thousands of supporters of Lula and Bolsonaro gathered in cities around the country.

在圣保罗,一片身着巴西国旗黄绿色衣服的人群为弗拉维奥·博尔索纳罗集结,他站在卡车后沿保罗大街前进。

In Sao Paulo, a sea of people dressed in the yellow and green of the Brazilian flag rallied for Flavio Bolsonaro, who made his way down Paulista Avenue on the back of a truck.

“国家正处于灾难之中。为了维持生计或购买任何东西,你必须做两份或三份工作才能付账单,”36岁的萨拉·马查多说,她穿着印有标语的T恤:“右翼。以自豪。”根据圣保罗大学(USP)的监测人员称,此次集会吸引了约71,000人。

“The country is in a state of calamity. To make ends meet or buy anything, you have to work two or three jobs just to pay the bills,” said Sara Machado, 36, wearing a T-shirt with the slogan: “Right-wing. With pride.”The rally drew about 71,000 people, according to monitors at the University of Sao Paulo (USP).

在里约热内卢,支持卢拉的游泳者和歌手 在里约热内卢,弗米尔海滩(Praia Vermelha)的游泳者在水中同步动作,用身体拼出卢拉的名字。

Swimmers and singers for Lula In Rio de Janeiro, swimmers at Praia Vermelha beach synchronised in the water to spell out Lula’s name with their bodies.

随后,在科帕卡巴纳海滩,标志性的八十岁高龄歌手卡埃塔诺·韦卢索领导了一场“支持民主的集会”,以支持总统,USP的监测人员称该活动吸引了约56,000人。

Later, on Copacabana Beach, iconic octogenarian singer Caetano Veloso led a “rally for democracy” in favour of the president, which USP monitors said drew some 56,000 people.

51岁的护士和社会工作者法比亚娜·莱特说,卢拉的社会福利项目在她被错误监禁、失去女儿的监护权、出狱后不得不重建生活时拯救了她。

Fabiana Leite, a 51-year-old nurse and social worker, said Lula’s social welfare programmes saved her after she was wrongly incarcerated, lost custody of her daughters, and had to rebuild her life after being freed.

“你可能有斗争和成长的欲望,但如果没有手段,没有社会项目,那就根本不可能。这就是我在这里的原因,我将继续斗争,”她告诉法新社。

“You might have the desire to fight and to grow, but without the means, without social programmes, it’s just not possible. That is why I am here, continuing the fight,” she told AFP.

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