泰勒·舒尔茨曾协助揭露 Theranos 的验血欺诈案。他现在表示，AI 很难核实，投资者需要进行真正的尽职调查。他补充说，很少有法律管辖 AI，这使得 AI 公司内部人员难以吹哨。
Tyler Shultz helped expose the blood-testing fraud at Theranos. He now says AI is hard to vet, and investors need to do real due diligence. Few laws govern AI, he added, which makes it hard for people inside AI companies to blow the whistle.
舒尔茨在《旧金山标准报》的 PST 播客节目中接受了西奥·贝克的采访。贝克代替主持人艾米莉·德雷福斯出席。此次采访正值一部新电影让伊丽莎白·霍尔姆斯重回新闻视野。由内森·费尔德和兰斯·奥本海姆执导的《You Can See Everything》记录了这位 Theranos 创始人入狱前的最后几周。
Shultz spoke to Theo Baker on The San Francisco Standard’s PST podcast. Baker was sitting in for the host, Emily Dreyfuss. The interview comes as a new film has put Elizabeth Holmes back in the news. “You Can See Everything”, by Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim, follows the Theranos founder’s last weeks before prison.
易于造假贝克询问涌入 AI 的巨额资金是否增加了出现另一个 Theranos 的风险。舒尔茨表示，公司不具备或可能永远不具备的能力并不难伪造。
Easy to fake Baker asked whether the flood of money into AI raises the risk of another Theranos. Shultz said capabilities a company does not have, or may never have, are not hard to fake.
“很难分辨什么是真正独特且新颖的，什么只是像 ChatGPT 套壳之类的东西，”舒尔茨说。
“It’s really hard to tell the difference between what is like something truly unique and new versus like a ChatGPT wrapper,” Shultz said.
他说，任何想要欺骗他人的人现在都有绝佳机会。投资者需要保持警惕。
Anyone who wants to deceive people has a great opportunity now, he said. Investors need to keep their guard up.
“我认为，喝个 30 分钟咖啡就给对方 10 万美元的日子应该结束了，”他说。
“I think the days of having a 30-minute coffee with someone and sending them $100,000 should be over,” he said.
霍尔姆斯采用这种模式并将其放大到 1 亿美元，筹集了舒尔茨所谓的“有史以来最大规模的天使轮融资”。他说，在文件上，Theranos 的投资者是受害者。在他看来，他们也是帮凶。他们缺乏尽职调查，把本不该拥有的权力交到了她手中。
Holmes took that model and scaled it to $100m, raising what Shultz called the biggest angel round of all time. On paper, the Theranos investors were the victims, he said. In his view, they were also enablers. Their lack of due diligence handed her power she should never have had.
保密协议与 AI 吹哨人这位 Theranos 吹哨人还谈到了在 AI 实验室提出安全担忧的人员。该话题正处于风口浪尖：本周，二十名众议院民主党议员致信 OpenAI，询问其解雇安全研究人员一事。《华尔街日报》报道称，OpenAI 曾检查他们的手机以查看 Signal 聊天记录。本月，前实验室内部人士在纽约市关于 AI 的听证会上作证。
NDAs and AI whistleblowers ranos whistleblower also spoke about people at AI labs who raise safety concerns. The topic is live: this week twenty House Democrats wrote to OpenAI about its fired safety researchers. OpenAI had checked their phones for Signal chats, The Wall Street Journal reported. This month, former lab insiders gave evidence at a New York City hearing on AI.
“这些科技工人签署的保密协议和不贬损协议极其霸道，我甚至可以说它们很可能是非法的，”舒尔茨说。
“The NDAs and the non-disparagement agreements that many of these tech workers have signed are so incredibly overbearing and I would say likely illegal even,” Shultz said.
在 Theranos 工作期间，他签署了几份令人胆寒的保密协议。他说，他以为自己不能与律师或监管机构交谈。他使用假名和假电子邮件地址联系了监管机构。他说，员工需要知道他们可以向监管机构和律师求助。有些律师会以风险代理方式接受举报人案件。他说，他现在正在努力让这些资源更容易获得。
At Theranos, he signed several frightening NDAs. He thought he could not talk to a lawyer or a regulator, he said. He used a fake name and a fake email address to contact regulators. Workers need to know they can go to regulators and lawyers, he said. Some lawyers take whistleblower cases on contingency. He said he is now working to make those resources easier to reach.
霍尔姆斯重回新闻视野 舒尔茨曾在 Theranos 担任科学家，曾向管理层、高管和一名监管人员提出担忧，随后协助《华尔街日报》记者。霍尔姆斯和拉梅什·“桑尼”·巴尔瓦尼 约三年前入狱，分别被判处 11 年多和近 13 年有期徒刑。
Holmes back in the news Shultz worked at Theranos as a scientist and raised concerns with managers, executives and a regulator before helping a Wall Street Journal reporter. Holmes and Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani went to prison about three years ago, on sentences of more than 11 years and nearly 13 years.
他称这部电影是杰作，但表示它不是纪录片，因为它追求的是模糊性而非真相。他还表示，霍尔姆斯正在准备“第二幕”。《财富》杂志报道，由其伴侣比利·埃文斯经营的血液检测初创公司 Haemanthus 称，霍尔姆斯在公司没有任何角色。
He called the film a masterpiece but said it was not a documentary, because it pursued ambiguity rather than truth. He also said Holmes is preparing a second act. Haemanthus, the blood-testing start-up run by her partner Billy Evans, says Holmes has no role in the company, Fortune reported.