这是“以斯拉·克莱因秀”（The Ezra Klein Show）的编辑版文字记录。上周有消息称，一直领导 OpenAI 安全透明度工作的大卫·罗宾逊（David Robinson）已辞去公司职务，因为他认为该公司的技术不够安全。
This is an edited transcript of “The Ezra Klein Show.”You can Last week, news broke that David Robinson, who had been leading safety transparency efforts at OpenAI, had quit his job at the company because he believes its technology is not safe.
罗宾逊是一个有趣的人物。他并非出自硅谷湾区的温室，更像是一个人们熟知的华盛顿特区人物。他是罗德学者。他成立了一个民权非营利组织。他在耶鲁大学获得了法律学位。他从事过政策工作。他曾为拜登白宫提供咨询。他对技术与正义的交汇点很感兴趣。
Robinson is an interesting figure. He didn’t come out of the Silicon Valley Bay Area hothouse — he’s more of a recognizable Washington, D.C., figure. He’s a Rhodes scholar. He formed a civil rights nonprofit. He got a law degree at Yale. He worked in policy. He advised the Biden White House. He was interested in the intersection of technology and justice.
当他加入 OpenAI 时，他觉得对安全风险和灭绝的种种担忧有点疯狂。但三年后，他不再那么确信了。他确信的是，OpenAI 并没有保护世界免受其正在建造的东西侵害所需的安全性文化。而且不仅是 OpenAI ——他认为这是整个人工智能行业普遍存在的问题。
When he joined OpenAI, he thought this whole set of worries about safety risk and extinction was kind of nuts. But three years later, he’s not so sure. What he is sure about is that OpenAI does not have the culture of safety necessary to protect the world from what it is building. And it’s not just OpenAI — he thinks this is a problem endemic to the A.I. industry.
因此，在离开 OpenAI 后的首次采访中，他向我讲述了原因。以斯拉·克莱因：大卫·罗宾逊，欢迎来到节目。大卫·罗宾逊：很高兴来到这里。
So here, in his first interview since leaving OpenAI, he tells me why. Ezra Klein: David Robinson, welcome to the show. David Robinson: Glad to be here.
上周你从 OpenAI 辞职了。请告诉我你在那里做什么以及你为什么要辞职。
Last week you quit OpenAI. Tell me what you did there and why you’re quitting.