
加沙战争、与以色列的关系以及伊朗局势,成为周四晚间佐治亚州参议院辩论的核心议题。在这场辩论中,现任民主党籍参议员乔恩·奥索夫与共和党挑战者、众议员迈克·柯林斯展开了激烈交锋。作为佐治亚州首位犹太裔联邦参议员,奥索夫被直接问及是否认为以色列在加沙实施了种族灭绝行为。此问题提出之际正值10月7日大屠杀三周年纪念日次日,同时也涉及奥索夫因投票反对向以色列运送武器而遭到亚特兰大犹太社区部分人士批评一事。奥索夫并未给出肯定或否定的答复。
The war in Gaza, relations with Israel, and the war in Iran were at the center of one of the sharpest exchanges Thursday night between incumbent Democratic Sen. Jon Ossoff and Republican challenger Rep. Mike Collins in their Georgia Senate debate. Ossoff, Georgia's first Jewish US senator, was asked directly whether he believed Israel had committed genocide in Gaza. The question came one day after the third anniversary of the October 7 massacre and referenced criticism he has faced from some members of Atlanta's Jewish community after voting to block an arms shipment to Israel. Ossoff did not answer yes or no."
“判定某种行为是否属于种族灭绝,关键在于相关政府是否具有蓄意消灭某个民族或族群的意图,这一判定权属于国际刑事法院,”奥索夫说道,“但我确信,以色列军队在加沙的军事行动确实违反了武装冲突法及国际人道主义法。”
The question of genocide is a question of whether a government has the specific intent to destroy a national or ethnic group, and that is a question for the International Criminal Court," Ossoff said.
“我深切关心以色列人民的安全,我的家人中也有以色列人,”他继续说道,“同时我也关心无辜巴勒斯坦民众的安危,对于自己的投票立场我毫无歉意。”主持人里克·福尔鲍姆还询问奥索夫:他是否对民主党内部日益高涨的反以情绪感到担忧?对于政府最新提出的向以色列提供28亿美元军援的提案,他又会投赞成票还是反对票?对此奥索夫在回答中均未直接回应。
"There is no doubt in my mind that Israeli forces prosecuting the war in Gaza violated the law of armed conflict and international humanitarian law.""I care deeply about the security of the Israeli people, among whom are members of my family," he continued. "I also care about innocent Palestinian life and make no apology for my votes." Moderator Rick Folbaum also asked Ossoff whether he was alarmed by growing anti-Israel sentiment within the Democratic Party and whether he would vote yes or no on the administration's latest $2.8 billion weapons package for Israel. Ossoff did not directly answer either question during his response.
相反,他抨击柯林斯支持对国际刑事法院实施制裁并削减其经费的做法。“柯林斯的观点是:无论谁犯下反人类罪行,都不应追究其责任,”奥索夫说道。
Instead, he attacked Collins over his support for sanctioning and defunding the International Criminal Court." His view is that there should not be accountability for crimes against humanity no matter who commits them," Ossoff said.
柯林斯则以犀利的政治及人身攻击予以回击,将奥索夫与民主党左翼人士联系起来。“乔恩·奥索夫曾四处奔走为阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛义德拉票并公开支持他。此人憎恶以色列、偏袒伊朗。”
Collins: 'He talks one way, and he votes another way'Collins responded with a sharp political and personal attack, tying Ossoff to figures on the left wing of the Democratic Party." Jon Ossoff has been out there and recruited support and endorsed this Abdul El-Sayed. He hates Israel, loves Iran.
“那就是他的人选,”柯林斯说道,他指的是密歇根州的民主党参议院候选人。他还提到了哈桑·皮克,并指责奥索夫“尽可能地往左倾”。柯林斯说:“他嘴上这么说,投票时却另做决定。”随后话题立刻转向反犹太主义与极端主义。福尔鲍姆询问柯林斯关于其女婿的情况——问题中称其为白人至上主义社交媒体影响者;他还问及柯林斯团队中那些被指涉及种族主义与反犹太主义行为的成员。
That's his pick," Collins said, referring to the Democratic Senate candidate in Michigan. He also mentioned Hasan Piker and accused Ossoff of moving "as far left as he can go."" He talks one way, and he votes another way," Collins said. The exchange then shifted immediately to antisemitism and extremism. Folbaum asked Collins about his son-in-law, described in the question as a white supremacist social media influencer, and about members of Collins's staff who had been linked to racism and antisemitism."I've condemned racism, antisemitism, hate.
柯林斯回应道:“我谴责种族主义、反犹太主义以及各种仇恨行为。无论其来源何处,这些行为都是错误的。这个世界上容不下这些东西。”奥索夫随即反击,声称“新纳粹宣传内容正从你的住所传播给数百万受众”。他还指控柯林斯办公室曾为一名否认大屠杀的人向司法部求情,并与白人至上主义者勾结。这些均为奥索夫在辩论中提出的指控。
I don't care where the source is," Collins said. "It's wrong. We have no place in this world for that." Ossoff fired back, alleging that "neo-Nazi propaganda is disseminated to an audience of millions from your home." He also accused Collins's office of intervening at the Justice Department on behalf of a Holocaust denier and of working with white supremacists. Those were allegations made by Ossoff during the debate.
关于伊朗战争:奥索夫称“我们是被谎言引入这场战争的”另一个主要争议点便是伊朗战争。奥索夫多次抨击柯林斯支持这场战争,称这位议员“先后七次投票支持对伊朗动武”。辩论初期,奥索夫将这场战争与乔治亚州汽油及柴油价格上涨联系起来;后来他又表示美国应当“结束这场灾难性的伊朗战争”。在辩论后半段,他的批评更为尖锐:“这场战争是一场灾难,我们是被谎言引入这场战争的。去年他们声称已经彻底摧毁了伊朗的核计划。”
Ossoff on Iran war: 'We were lied into' itAnother major point of disagreement was the war in Iran. Ossoff repeatedly attacked Collins for supporting the conflict, saying the congressman had "voted seven times for the war in Iran." Early in the debate, Ossoff linked the war to higher gas and diesel prices in Georgia and later said the United States should "end this disastrous war in Iran." He sharpened that criticism later in the debate." It's been a disaster, and so has this war, a war, by the way, that we were lied into," Ossoff said.
“今年,他们告诉我们这场战争构成了迫在眉睫的威胁。” “于是,在关税措施之外,我们还经历了长达八个月的战争:18名美国军人阵亡,数百人受伤;伊朗依然拥有铀资源,也依然拥有无人机与导弹。如今柴油价格创下历史新高,无铅汽油价格也达到了每加仑四美元。” 奥斯夫在谈及美军官兵时再次提起这一问题。
"They told us last year that they'd obliterated Iran's nuclear program. This year, they told us it posed an imminent threat."" So on top of the tariffs now we have eight months of war, 18 Americans killed in action, hundreds wounded, Iran still has its uranium, Iran still has its drones and missiles, diesel's at an all-time high, unleaded gas is at four dollars." Ossoff returned to the issue while discussing US service members."
“当我与全州的军人家属交谈时,他们都希望知道政府是否如实告知了发动战争的原因,”他说道,“这场战争是一场灾难:18名美国人丧生,数百人受伤。而总统在战争爆发仅四天后就宣布取得了胜利。” 相比之下,柯林斯则为特朗普发动战争的决定辩护。“总统完全有权采取行动,确保伊朗无法获得核武器,”柯林斯说道。
When I talk to military families across the state, they want to know that their government is being honest with them about why we go to war," he said. "This war has been a disaster. Eighteen Americans have been killed. Hundreds have been wounded. The president declared victory on day four of this conflict." Collins, by contrast, defended Trump's decision to go to war."
他称国际原子能机构早已发出警告,指出伊朗已接近拥有核武器的目标。“伊朗不仅想摧毁并杀害以色列人,也把美国视为目标,”柯林斯补充道,“我们与这个政权已经交战47年,47年来他们一直在杀害美国军人。当时伊朗几乎就要拥有核武器了,一旦得手必定会付诸使用。” 在最后的总结陈词环节,两位候选人的立场差异再度凸显。
The president had every right to go in there and make sure that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon," Collins said. He argued that the International Atomic Energy Agency had already sounded alarms that Iran was close to obtaining one." Iran doesn't only want to decimate and kill Israel. They want us as well," Collins said. "We've been at war with this regime for 47 years. They've been killing American service members for 47 years.
奥斯夫再次指出柯林斯“曾七次投票支持对伊朗开战”;而柯林斯则称奥斯夫与民主党左翼人士立场一致,后者在他看来对以色列抱有敌意。 这场辩论是两位候选人在11月3日中期选举前首次进行的电视对决。奥斯夫自2021年起担任参议员,身为共和党众议员的柯林斯则试图击败他,将这一席位重新夺回共和党手中。辩论在亚特兰大地区举行,由里克·福尔鲍姆担任主持,格雷传媒负责在佐治亚州全境转播。
And they were this close to getting a nuclear weapon, and they would have used it." The contrast between the two candidates returned in their closing statements. Ossoff again said Collins had "voted seven times for the war in Iran," while Collins portrayed Ossoff as aligned with figures on the Democratic left who, he argued, held hostile views toward Israel. The debate was the first televised meeting between the two ahead of the November 3 midterm election. Ossoff has served in the Senate since 2021, while Collins, a Republican member of the House, is seeking to unseat him and flip the seat to the GOP. The debate was held in the Atlanta area, moderated by Rick Folbaum and broadcast across Georgia by Gray Media.