纽约州州长竞选周二升温，民主党籍州长凯西·霍楚与拿骚县行政长官布拉德·布莱克曼在辩论舞台上交锋，双方就唐纳德·特朗普总统、近期一起涉及美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）的枪击案以及通货膨胀问题互相攻击。
The New York gubernatorial race heated up Tuesday as Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul and Nassau County Executive Brad Blakeman clashed on the debate stage, with the pair trading jabs over President Donald Trump, a recent ICE-involved shooting and inflation.
辩论伊始，主持人询问两位候选人对美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）行为的看法。上周，该局在布朗克斯区的一项针对性行动中开枪打死一名28岁多米尼加裔男子，引发纽约市民愤怒。国土安全部称，该男子在行动中拒绝遵守合法命令。死者奥斯卡·贝加尔车内的一名5岁男童未受伤害。
The debate opened with the candidates being asked about the conduct of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which last week drew outrage in New York City following the shooting of a 28-year-old Dominican national whom the Department of Homeland Security said refused to comply with lawful orders during a targeted operation in the Bronx. A 5-year-old boy inside Oscar Bergal's vehicle was unharmed.
“凯西·霍楚曾向ICE呼吁放走这名罪犯。纽约人必须问的问题是，这家伙最初为什么会在纽约？这是因为凯西·霍楚把我们变成了一个庇护州，”共和党人布莱克曼说道。
"Kathy Hochul appealed to ICE to let this criminal out. The question that New Yorkers have to ask is what was this guy doing in New York in the first place? It's because Kathy Hochul has made us a sanctuary state," said Blakeman, a Republican.
“想一想。这个人非法入境。他已被判犯有罪行。他面临贩毒的未决指控，向我们的孩子贩卖毒药。而且他是个帮派成员。这就是凯西·霍楚尔在为之辩护的人吗？”布莱克曼继续说道。“在我和美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）有合作协议，直到凯西·霍楚尔说我们不能再与ICE合作。我们让2000多名有犯罪记录的非法移民离开了我的县，罪行包括强奸、谋杀未遂、抢劫、入室盗窃、贩毒、劫车、帮派活动。之所以能做到这一点，是因为我们与ICE合作，而且我们没有突袭过一所学校、一家医院、一个日托中心或一座教堂。如果你与联邦执法部门合作，社区就会更安全。这就是我所做的。凯西·霍楚尔正在剥夺我们这种能力。这就是为什么会发生这种事情。”
"Think about it. This guy came into the country illegally. He's been convicted of a crime. He's got pending charges for dealing drugs, poison to our children. And he's a gangbanger. This is who Kathy Hochul is defending?" Blakeman continued. "I have a cooperative agreement with ICE until Kathy Hochul said we could no longer cooperate with ICE. We got over 2,000 illegal migrants out of my county with criminal records ranging from rape, attempted murder, robbery, burglary, drug dealing, carjacking, gang activity. And that's because we cooperated with ICE and we didn't raid one school, one hospital, one daycare center or one church. If you cooperate with federal law enforcement, it makes for a safer community. That's what I did. Kathy Hochul is taking that ability away from us. That's why things like this happen."
霍楚尔称布莱克曼的回应是“答非所问”，因为“他拒绝谴责ICE的所作所为”。
Hochul called Blakeman's response a "non-answer," because "he refused to condemn what ICE did."
“所以他在基本上说，在纽约州，如果ICE特工向汽车开枪、向车辆射击，不知道车里坐着谁，本可能杀死一个5岁的孩子，他也会觉得没问题。如果这不能震惊所有人的良知——也应该震惊他的良知——他说，这没问题，这就是ICE应该做事的方式，”霍楚尔补充道。“我告诉你吧。我监管纽约州500多个执法机构，每年逮捕超过50万人。那不是你该有的行为方式。ICE已失控。在拿骚县已失控。”
"So he basically says in the state of New York, he'd be fine if ICE agents shoot into cars, shoot guns into vehicles, not knowing who's inside and could have killed a 5-year-old child. If that doesn't shock the conscience of everybody — and it should shock his conscience as well — that he says, that's OK, that's how ICE is supposed to do it," Hochul added. "I'll tell you what. I oversee over 500 policing agencies in the state of New York, over half a million arrests every year. That's not how you conduct yourself. ICE is out of control. It's out of control in Nassau County."
布莱克曼反驳说，若非霍楚尔的“庇护政策”，“这绝不会发生”。
Blakeman pushed back, saying, "it never would have happened" but for Hochul's "sanctuary policy."
“你招致罪犯来到我们州、捕食我们的社区。而现在你不让地方执法部门以有序方式与ICE合作，就像我们在我的县所做的那样，”布莱克曼补充道。“我们在我的县没有发生任何事件，因为我们被允许与地方执法部门合作。但你拿走了这个工具。”
"You have invited criminals to come into our state and prey on our on our communities. And now you won't let local law enforcement cooperate with ICE in an orderly way, like we did in my county," Blakeman added ."We didn't have any incidents in my county because we were allowed to cooperate with local law enforcement. But you took that tool away. The reason why that happened is because of you, Kathy Hochul, and your immigration policies, where you actually invite people into our state, give them free everything, and you don't care whether they're criminals or not. That's a bad policy."
之所以发生这种情况，是因为你，凯西·霍楚，以及你的移民政策，你实际上邀请人们来到我们州，给他们免费提供一切，而你不在乎他们是不是罪犯。这是糟糕的政策。”
As part of her rebuttal, Hochul said, "I have a right to answer this one because this is so absurd. I have said, from the president on down, I said, New York is not a sanctuary for criminals, not a sanctuary for criminals. Full stop." The two candidates also clashed over Trump and the state of the U.S. economy.
作为反驳的一部分，霍楚说：“我有权回答这个问题，因为这太荒谬了。我已经说过，从总统到普通民众，我说过，纽约不是罪犯的避难所，不是罪犯的避难所。到此为止。”两位候选人还就特朗普和美国经济状况发生冲突。
"He promised to cut energy costs. He promised to cut down grocery costs. And you know what? Everything has happened under your friend Donald Trump, who you are the president of the of the fan club for Donald Trump. It's absurd how adoring you are of him. My gosh," Hochul told Blakeman. "Well, what he has done is raise gasoline prices and energy prices and the cost of tariffs have driven up everything in the state. If you bought groceries lately, my God, the people are suffering. And that didn't have to be the case. Why are we at war with the rest of the world?" "You like to talk about Donald Trump all the time, because you don't want to talk about your record," Blakeman responded.
“他承诺削减能源成本。他承诺削减杂货成本。你知道吗？一切都发生在你朋友唐纳德·特朗普治下，你是唐纳德·特朗普粉丝俱乐部的会长。你对他的崇拜简直荒谬。我的天，”霍楚对布莱克曼说。“他所做的是提高汽油价格和能源价格，关税成本推高了州内所有东西的价格。如果你最近买过杂货，我的天，民众正在受苦。这本不必发生。为什么我们要与世界其他国家为敌？”
"I'm talking about my record right now," Hochul said.
“你喜欢整天谈论唐纳德·特朗普，因为你不想谈论你的政绩，”布莱克曼反驳道。“我现在正在谈论我的政绩，”霍楚说。
"Because it's a record of misery and failure," Blakeman continued. "The highest taxes, utility rates that are 70% higher than national average. But let me say something about Donald Trump. Donald Trump is my friend. He's endorsed me. But so is Bonnie Lautenberg, a liberal Democrat whose husband, Frank, served in the United States Senate and was a pillar of the Democratic Party. Actor Debra messing, who is a liberal Democrat who supports me because she trusts me to make safer communities, improve the quality of life here in New York."
“因为这是痛苦和失败的政绩，”布莱克曼继续说道。“最高的税收，公用事业费率比全国平均水平高出70%。但让我谈谈唐纳德·特朗普。唐纳德·特朗普是我的朋友。他背书支持我。但自由派民主党人邦尼·劳滕伯格也支持我，她的丈夫弗兰克曾在联邦参议院任职，是民主党的中流砥柱。演员德布拉·梅辛，也是一位自由派民主党人，支持我，因为她信任我能让社区更安全，提高这里纽约的生活质量。”“好吧，你得到了两张选票，”霍楚说。“为你高兴。”
"Alright you got two votes," Hochul said. "Good for you."