前纽约国会候选人约翰·阿夫隆表示，对密歇根州参议院候选人阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛德的攻击，包括声称他支持奥萨马·本·拉登或属于穆斯林兄弟会，已经越过了恐吓的界限。虽然小子摇滚称埃尔-赛德是“披着羊皮的狼”，但讨论质疑在没有证据的情况下使用炽热标签的做法。其他小组成员认为，选民应根据埃尔-赛德的实际言论和政策立场来评判他，而不是基于对他穆斯林信仰或政治信念的假设。
Former New York Congressional Candidate John Avlon says attacks on Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, including claims that he supports Osama bin Laden or belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood, cross the line into fearmongering. While Kid Rock calls El-Sayed “a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” the discussion questions the use of inflammatory labels without evidence. Other panelists argue that voters should judge El-Sayed by his actual statements and policy positions rather than assumptions about his Muslim faith or political beliefs.
约翰·阿夫隆：看，我的意思是，爷爷摇滚所使用的语言并不是特别有帮助。我们应该更新它，因为“孩子”这种说法已经不合适了。但这显然是某件事——某件事正在被击中。特别是在我们正面对反犹太主义上升潮流、许多人感受尤为深刻的时候，为什么确保我们不施加同样的标准如此困难？在这个国家，我们没有宗教测试。
JOHN AVLON: Look, I mean, the language that Grandpa Rock is using is not particularly helpful. We just should update it, because the kid thing doesn't fit anymore. But this is obviously something-- something being hit. And particularly at a time when we're dealing with the rising tide of antisemitism a lot of people are feeling pretty acutely, why is it so difficult to make sure you're not applying the same standards? We have no religious tests in this country.
你想根据某人的信仰、他们实际上——不是信仰信念，而是实际上的政策信念来批评某人吗？让我们就此展开辩论。但堕落为恐吓——作为一个亲身经历过9/11的人，说某人支持本·拉登，当涉及到概括时，这确实越过了界限。现在，和哈桑·派克一起竞选，我对此有问题。我有很多事情—— - 有没有总统曾经纵容过这种仇恨言论？
You want to criticize someone on their beliefs, their actually-- not faith beliefs but their, actually, policy beliefs? Let's have that debate. But the degeneration into fear mongering-- as someone who lived through 9/11 up close, to say that someone supports bin Laden, that just crosses a line when it's about generalizing. Now, campaigning with Hasan Piker, I got a problem with. There are plenty of things I-- - Has there ever been a president who indulged in that kind of hate speech?
约翰·阿夫隆：没有，不是这样的。我的意思是，他在加剧一切。约翰·阿夫隆：当然，当然。艾比·菲利普：就你的观点而言，让我播放一下特朗普最近对埃尔-赛德所说的话。听好了。唐纳德·特朗普：他的名字是阿卜杜勒。但我认为——我叫他穆罕默德·阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛德。
JOHN AVLON: No, not like this. - I mean, he's exacerbating everything. JOHN AVLON: Of course. Of course. ABBY PHILLIP: To your point, let me just play what Trump has been saying about El-Sayed lately. Listen. DONALD TRUMP: His name is Abdul. But I think it's-- I call him Mohamed Abdul El-Sayed.
他是穆斯林兄弟会成员，百分之百，百分之百。他是穆斯林兄弟会成员。让他参与参议院情报委员会怎么样？怎么样？这个人百分之百是穆斯林兄弟会成员。我们必须确保迈克·罗杰斯获胜，他是中央选角的典型人选。CARI CHAMPION：所以这就是我——这就是我第一次——我知道你——你对你不喜欢的事情表达得非常坚定。
And he's a Muslim Brotherhood guy, 100%, 100%. He's a Muslim Brotherhood guy. How about having him be on the Senate Intelligence Committee? How about that? The guy's 100% Muslim Brotherhood. And we've got to make sure that Mike Rogers wins, who's Central Casting. CARI CHAMPION: So this is what I-- this is the first thing I-- I know that you have-- you spoke very firmly about what you dislike.
你说你有犹太兄弟姐妹担心他。我认为我们正在做这件事，而且我们把它搞得太复杂了。我们在倾听以确认自己的偏见。我相信无论人们多么努力地试图保持客观，他们都会这样做。你听到了一些东西。你不喜欢。你听到——你的朋友，无论你和谁交谈，听到了一些东西。他们也不喜欢。我听了他多次——许多不同的演讲，播客采访。他有自己的播客采访。我不同意他说的一切，绝对不同意。
And you said you have Jewish brothers and sisters who are concerned about him. I think this is something that we're doing, and we're making it too, too complicated. We're listening to confirm our bias. I believe all people do that, no matter how objective they are trying to be. You heard some things. You didn't like it. You heard-- your friends, whomever you spoke with, heard some things. They didn't like it. I listened to him several-- many different speeches that he's given, podcast interviews. He has his own podcast interview. I don't agree with everything he says, absolutely not.
但当我听的时候，我没有听到一个穆斯林兄弟会的人。我听到的是一个出生并长大于密歇根州的美国公民，他有自己的意识形态和他认为正确的想法，这些想法基于他的工作伦理，基于他——他是如何被抚养长大的。
But when I listen, I don't hear somebody from the Muslim Brotherhood. I hear somebody who was born and raised in Michigan, a United States citizen, who has his own ideology and his own thoughts that he feels are right, based on a work ethic, how he was-- how he was raised.
他的父亲来到这个国家，想给他，引号内外，“美国梦”。他正在尽最大努力通过不同的方式追求这个梦想。我不知道。他没有冒犯我。但——等等。他没有冒犯我。但我想知道是否曾经有机会让某人听过去令他们困扰的东西。如果他对以色列没有发表任何言论，如果他对此没有任何想法，或者如果他持中立立场——不管那对你来说是什么样子——你能否看到那之外的东西？只要你听到你不喜欢的东西，你就会立刻关掉它。
His father came to this country and wanted to give him, quote unquote, "the American dream." And he's trying his darndest to pursue that in different ways. I don't know. He has not offended me. But-- hold on. He's not offended me. But I wonder if there was ever an opportunity for someone to hear past what bothers them. If he said nothing about Israel, if he had no thoughts on that or if he was in the middle, whatever that looks like for you, could you see past that? As soon as you hear something you don't like, you turn it off.
你立刻就说，他反对这个。我们所有人都是这样做的。我曾无数次看到这个人在 disagreement 中保持尊重。而总统甚至做不到这一点。
You immediately say, he's anti this. All of us do that. And I've watched this man, on countless occasions, disagree but with respect. And the president can't even give him that.