众议员尼基·布兹因斯基和前参议员乔·曼钦与迈克尔·斯默科尼什一起讨论，如果民主党赢得国会控制权，他们的优先事项将包括降低成本、应对国家债务以及调查特朗普政府。
Congresswoman Nikki Budzinski and former Senator Joe Manchin join Michael Smerconish to discuss Democrats’ priorities if they win control of Congress, from lowering costs and addressing the national debt to investigating the Trump administration.
对，就是这个陷阱。一切结束了。>> 众议员，您告诉美联社，民主党内部斗争的解药是，引用您的话，“在特朗普总统入主白宫的情况下完成任务”。民主党控众议院实际上能完成什么？>> 好吧，我们可以首先证明，我们可以一上任就进行治理，解决美国人民最关心的问题，那就是成本。我们需要修复我们破败的医疗体系。
RIGHT THAT TRAP. IT'S ALL OVER. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU TOLD THE ASSOCIATED PRESS THAT THE ANTIDOTE TO DEMOCRATIC INFIGHTING IS, QUOTE, GETTING THINGS DONE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT CAN A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE ACTUALLY GET DONE? >> WELL, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT FIRST, WE CAN GOVERN RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE AND ADDRESS THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE, WHICH IS COST. WE NEED TO FIX OUR BROKEN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
我们需要降低公用事业账单。我们需要在21世纪住房道路法的基础上继续前进，让这个国家的可负担住房真正变得可及。我们有很多工作要做，我同意曼钦参议员的观点，即应将焦点集中在成本上，降低成本，并在1月份迅速行动。我们可以展示我们能够领导。我认为，我们能够通过完成任务来治理同样重要。我认为这是一种非常团结的、呃，力量。
WE NEED TO LOWER UTILITY BILLS. WE NEED TO BUILD ON THE 21st CENTURY ROAD TO HOUSING LAW, MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING REALLY ATTAINABLE IN THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND I AGREE WITH SENATOR MANCHIN THAT IT SHOULD BE LASER FOCUSED ON COST, BRINGING DOWN COSTS, HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING IN JANUARY. WE CAN SHOW THAT WE CAN LEAD. AND I THINK IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN GOVERN BY GETTING THINGS DONE. I THINK THAT IS A VERY UNIFYING, UH, FORCE.
我认为杰弗里斯领导人在这些议题上非常专注。您在之前的节目中已经概述了这些内容，这些内容在我们党团中建立了共识，表明我们可以迅速行动。呃，我认为我们将在这一天就准备好这样做。>> 就在第一天。>> 众议员，曼钦参议员警告不要进行报复。您认为调查应扮演什么角色？因为，您知道，那些可能导致民主党重新夺回众议院的人正在大声疾呼。他们希望看到某种程度的报复。
AND I THINK THAT LEADER JEFFRIES IS VERY FOCUSED ON THOSE ITEMS. YOU OUTLINED THEM EARLIER IN YOUR SEGMENT THAT HAVE BUILT CONSENSUS IN OUR CAUCUS THAT WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING ON. UM, AND I THINK WE'LL BE READY TO DO THAT ON DAY ONE. >> ON DAY ONE. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, SENATOR MANCHIN CAUTIONED AGAINST RETRIBUTION. WHAT ROLE DO YOU SEE IN INVESTIGATIONS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CLAMORING BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT CAUSE DEMOCRATS TO WIN BACK THE HOUSE. THEY WANT TO SEE SOME LEVEL OF OF RETRIBUTION.
您对他们说什么？>> 我不认为这是报复。我认为这是问责。我认为我们确实需要让这个白宫承担责任。我认为我们可以做到这一点。我经常说，一月份的民主党人，我们需要证明我们能够边走边嚼口香糖。我们需要专注于美国人民最关心的问题，那就是把钱放回他们的口袋，解决降低成本的问题。但我们可以在确保我们对这个政府进行重要制约的同时做到这一点。
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? >> I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S RETRIBUTION. I WOULD SAY IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY. I THINK WE DO NEED TO BRING ACCOUNTABILITY TO THIS WHITE HOUSE. I THINK WE CAN BE DOING THAT. I OFTEN SAY THAT DEMOCRATS IN JANUARY, WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE THE MOST ABOUT, WHICH IS PUTTING MONEY BACK IN THEIR POCKET, GETTING TO THE ISSUES OF BRINGING DOWN COSTS. BUT WE CAN DO THAT ALL ALONGSIDE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE AN IMPORTANT CHECK ON THIS ADMINISTRATION.
这是我们所见过的最腐败的政府之一，如果不是最腐败的政府的话，而美国人民正在要求对其进行问责。我认为我们可以两者兼顾。而这就是民主党人正在为一月份做准备要做的事情>> 曼钦参议员，你赢了。请继续，迈克尔。
ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATIONS WE'VE SEEN, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY TO THAT. I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH. AND THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE GEARING UP TO DO IN JANUARY >> SENATOR MANCHIN, YOU WON IT IN. GO AHEAD, MICHAEL.
首先，没有人在谈论国家债务。我们将在今年，这个财政年度，再累积2万亿美元的债务。这是导致通胀和高成本的主要因素之一。没人想去解决这个问题，因为这很棘手。
FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DEBT OF THE NATION. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ACCUMULATE ANOTHER $2 TRILLION OF DEBT THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TOWARDS INFLATION AND HIGH COST. NOBODY WANTS TO TACKLE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
你必须开始审视，并基本上将优先事项放在我们应该如何花钱上，人人都应承担自己的份额。我的意思是，人人都应付出一些东西。我们有很多人根本不付钱。我们还有其他人付得不够，尽管他们拥有很多，而这需要得到平衡。
YOU'VE GOT TO START LOOKING AND BASICALLY SETTING YOUR PRIORITIES ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY, EVERYONE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. AND I MEAN EVERYBODY PAYING SOMETHING. WE'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE THAT PAY NOTHING. WE'VE GOT OTHER PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH, THAT HAVE SO MUCH, AND IT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED OUT.
MICHAEL，直到我们对这个国家的债务严肃对待，那将是我们的灭亡。而这正是我们多年多年多年多年前就被警告过的，债务国家将在其他任何事之前把我们带垮。我们根本不谈这个。另一件事是关税。我的天，它们对成本造成的损害，对供应链成本造成的损害，战争本应有授权法来授权使用军事武力。人民应该为他们所代表的人说话。
MICHAEL, UNTIL WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE DEBT OF THIS NATION, THAT WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF US. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WARNED ABOUT MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, THAT IT WILL BE THE DEBTOR NATION WILL TAKE YOU DOWN BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AT ALL. THE OTHER THING IS TARIFFS. MY GOD, THEY'RE THEY'RE DAMAGING AS FAR AS COSTS SUPPLY COSTS, THE WAR WAR SHOULD HAVE AUMF AUTHORIZATION TO USE MILITARY FORCE. THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT.
我们是否想结束这场战争？我们是否想知道这场战争将如何结束，其结果会是什么？我们根本一无所知计划是什么。你应该要求对这方面的问责。我不说他们不应该让每个人及其家庭承担责任，从行政当局到他们所做的一切。但如果你把这放在前景焦点上，并且基本上把我的生活成本降到我能够生活的水平，或者为我子女和孙子孙辈提供前进的道路，让他们能够享受生活、组建家庭，并有向上的发展，那么你就完全没有给我任何希望，除非你改变的不仅仅是这场冲突的回归。
DO WE WANT TO END THIS WAR? DO WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS WAR IS GOING TO END, WHAT THE END RESULT IS GOING TO BE? WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL WHAT THE PLAN IS. YOU SHOULD ASK FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ON THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T BE HOLDING EVERYBODY RESPONSIBLE AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT IF YOU PUT THAT ON THE FRONT BURNER AND YOU DON'T BASICALLY BRING DOWN MY COST TO WHERE I CAN LIVE A LIFE OR HAVE A PATHWAY FORWARD THAT MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN CAN BASICALLY ENJOY THEIR LIFE AND HAVE THEIR START THEIR FAMILY AND HAVE UPWARD BOUND, THEN YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME ANY HOPE WHATSOEVER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS EXCEPT THIS CLASH GOING BACK.
这也是我为什么认为独立思考的人是最适合在立法机构任职的人。他们审视双方，不偏向任何一方，这对美国人民或民主党重新掌握真正控制权来说必须非常、非常明确。>> 参议员曼钦，这是一个跟进问题。你知道这像什么。你唯一有资格回答这个问题。你知道在美利坚合众国参议院作为决定性一票的体验。如果民主党夺取参议院控制权，你如何看待确认程序的影响，特别是联邦法院方面？
如果民主党以及我一直关注选区法官和法官，法官体系是我们从来不应该废除议事程序的手段。
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK INDEPENDENT MINDED PEOPLE ARE THE BEST TO HAVE IN THE LEGISLATURE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES, NOT WEDDED TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE VERY, VERY CLEARLY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO HAVE A CHANCE TO REGAIN REALLY CONTROL. >> SENATOR MANCHIN, A FOLLOW UP TO YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. YOU'RE UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A TIE BREAKER IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE? IF DEMOCRATS TAKE CONTROL OF THE SENATE, HOW DO YOU SEE THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS BEING IMPACTED, PARTICULARLY THE FEDERAL BENCH? >> IF DEMOCRATS AND I ALWAYS LOOKED AT DISTRICT JUDGES AND THE JUDGE, THE JUDGE SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE EVER GOTTEN RID OF THE FILIBUSTER FOR.
那真是一个60票的门槛，它真的让你得到更多温和的中间派人士，因为它需要双方的支持。现在我们可以得到极端派，但你的巡回法院法官和地区法院法官完全不同。巡回法院真的很高，而且它需要完全不同的感觉。我认为责任和经验水平方面的地区法院法官，你可以有稍微不同的，呃，关于你将如何前进的说法。他们有巨大的机会来设定标准、资格、一个人的品格、资格、经验水平意味着一切，不仅仅是因为他们是D还是R，而是因为他们有能力基本上审视我们，你知道的，我们整个系统，法治。
THAT WAS A 60 VOTE THRESHOLD THAT REALLY GOT YOU MORE MODERATE CENTRIST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT TOOK BUY IN FROM BOTH SIDES. NOW WE CAN GET EXTREMES, BUT YOUR CIRCUIT AND DISTRICT JUDGES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. CIRCUIT IS REALLY UP THERE HIGH, AND IT TAKES A WHOLE 'NOTHER SENSE. I THINK RESPONSIBILITY AND EXPERIENCE LEVEL DISTRICT JUDGES, YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UH, SAY ABOUT HOW YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD. THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE STANDARD, THE QUALIFICATIONS, CHARACTER OF A PERSON, QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE LEVEL MEANS EVERYTHING, NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A D OR AN R, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY LOOK OVER OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR WHOLE SYSTEM, THE RULE OF LAW, IF A PERSON IS GOING TO BASICALLY BE WEDDED TO A PARTY AND NOT THE CONSTITUTION AND NOT THE RULE OF LAW, THAT'S NOT A PERSON I WANT MIGHT BE MY BEST FRIEND, BUT THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOU AND I. WE HAVE TO START USING COMMON SENSE, GETTING QUALITY PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED, BUT ALSO CHARACTER MEANS SOMETHING.
如果一个人基本上会嫁给一个政党而不是宪法和法治，那不是我想要的，可能是我最好的朋友，但他们不配为你我做决定。我们必须开始使用常识，得到合格但也有品格的优秀人士。迈克尔。我们已经数不清品格了，因为政党现在基本上把它搞到了没有人在初选中投票，1820%的人参加。他们得到他们想要的东西。极左或极右，独立或独立思考的民主党人或共和党人很难突破他们的初选，因为他们受到如此控制。
MICHAEL. WE'VE LOST COUNT OF CHARACTER BECAUSE THE PARTIES NOW HAVE BASICALLY GOT IT TO WHERE NO ONE VOTES IN THE PRIMARY, 1,820% SHOW UP. THEY GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. EXTREME LEFT OR EXTREME RIGHT, AN INDEPENDENT OR INDEPENDENT MINDED DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN HAS A HARD TIME BREAKING THROUGH THEIR PRIMARIES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CONTROLLED.
我们正试着开放初选，改变整个竞争体系。如今美国的政治过程中根本没有竞争。所以，你知道的，当你有竞争时，你不会在场上得到最好的球员。>> 国会女士，你有最后的发言权。来自参议员曼钦的话有很多需要解读。由你来选择。>> 是的>> 看，我认为独立人士，人们确实想要务实和独立，但这不能仅仅是一个标签。如果你是共和党人并且你已经。
WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN PRIMARIES UP, CHANGE THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF COMPETITION. THERE IS NO COMPETITION IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS IN AMERICA TODAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE COMPETITION, YOU DON'T GET THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU GET THE FINAL WORD. THERE'S A LOT THERE TO UNPACK FROM SENATOR MANCHIN. TAKE YOUR CHOICE. >> YEAH >> LOOK, I WOULD SAY INDEPENDENTS, PEOPLE DO WANT PRAGMATISM AND INDEPENDENCE, BUT THAT CANNOT JUST BE A LABEL. IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN AND YOU'VE. >> CONVERTED YOURSELF TO AN INDEPENDENT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A 94% VOTING RECORD WITH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, I DON'T CALL THAT INDEPENDENCE.
你已经转为独立人士，但你仍然有94%的投票记录支持唐纳德·特朗普总统，我不认为这就是独立。我确实认为美国人民对务实、常识性政策有需求。
I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A HUNGER FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT PRAGMATISM, COMMON SENSE POLICY.
我一直非常努力地成为众议院中最两党合作的成员之一，这意味着当我的党派未能满足选民需求时，我会与党派决裂。我认为这种需求是存在的。但目前，我们需要众议院和参议院的民主党多数来制衡这一届政府。这一点至关重要，也是我将告诉你的。我目前非常专注于为11月3日做准备。>> 国会女士，感谢你来到这里。
I WORK VERY HARD TO BE ONE OF THE MOST BIPARTISAN MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE, WHICH MEANS THAT I DO BREAK WITH MY PARTY WHEN IT DOESN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF MY CONSTITUENTS. I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A HUNGER FOR THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE TO PUT A CHECK ON THIS ADMINISTRATION. THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHAT I WILL TELL YOU. I'M VERY LASER FOCUSED ON HEADING INTO NOVEMBER 3rd. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
曼钦参议员，快点，真的很快。>> 好吧，关于这件事，其实很简单：投票率达到90%的人，如果你是民主党人，你最终会投90%的票；如果你是共和党人，我们根本不会拿到任何选票。我认为这位国会女士，在所有尊重的前提下，会同意这一点。严肃的投票根本没有进行。你实际上是在胰岛素问题上被基本掠夺。你知道的，只是一些非常次要的事情。
SENATOR MANCHIN, REAL FAST. REAL FAST. >> ONE QUICK THING, OKAY, ON THIS, BASICALLY, THE PERCENTAGE PEOPLE VOTING 90%, IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, YOU'RE END UP VOTING 90%. IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY VOTES AT ALL. I THINK THE CONGRESSWOMAN, IN ALL DUE RESPECT, WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SERIOUS VOTES WERE NOT TAKEN. YOU'RE BEING BASICALLY RAIDED ON INSULIN. YOU KNOW, JUST VERY MINOR THINGS.