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鲁比奥警告委内瑞拉的马查多:街头抗议不会为你带来民主Rubio warns Venezuela's Machado: Street protests won't get you democracy

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周日,反对派领导人玛丽亚·科里纳·马查多抵达加拉加斯后,一名支持者站在卡车上挥舞委内瑞拉国旗。照片:Federico Parra/AFP via Getty ImagesA supporter of opposition leader María Corina Machado waves a Venezuelan flag on top of a truck after her arrival in Caracas on Sunday. Photo: Federico Parra/AFP via Getty Images

委内瑞拉流亡反对派领袖以盛大声势返回加拉加斯的第二天,美国国务卿马尔科·鲁比奥发出隐晦警告,反对干涉特朗普政府推动的该国脆弱民主过渡进程。

A day after Venezuela's exiled opposition leader returned to Caracas with great fanfare, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio issued a veiled warning against interfering with the country's fragile democratic transition pushed by the Trump administration.

  • “你们不可能靠街头抗议走向民主,”鲁比奥周一对记者表示,并未明确点出玛丽亚·科里娜·马查多的名字。

• "You're not going to street-protest your way into a democracy," Rubio told reporters Monday without explicitly mentioning María Corina Machado. Why it matters:

为何重要:马查多要求明年举行选举——并批评美国与现任加拉加斯政权达成的一项大规模协议——在她意外返国后,让政府官员感到不安。

Machado's demands for elections next year — and her criticism of a massive U.S. deal struck with the current Caracas regime— have put administration officials on edge after her surprise return.

  • “鲁比奥处于政治边缘,”一位了解其想法的白宫消息人士说。“委内瑞拉是本届政府最重要的外交政策成就,如果我们取得的进展被逆转,而马查多成为搅局者,谁也赢不了。”

• "Rubio is on a political edge," said a White House source familiar with his thinking. "Venezuela is the top foreign policy achievement of this administration, and if the progress we made gets undone and Machado is a spoiler, nobody wins."

  • 马查多发言人未回复置评请求。

• A Machado spokesperson didn't return messages seeking comment.

深度观察:马查多与美国官员都认同委内瑞拉需要举行选举。但她要求在2027年举行,而美国官员尚无定论。他们希望先实现三件事:

Zoom in: Machado and U.S. officials agree that Venezuela needs to hold elections. But she has demanded they be held in 2027, while U.S. officials aren't sure. They want three things to happen first:

  • 改革委内瑞拉最高法院。该法院由尼古拉斯·马杜罗的忠诚者把持,马杜罗于1月3日被美国扣押并秘密带往纽约市,面对贩毒指控。国务院希望年底前选出新法院。

• Reform Venezuela's Supreme Court. It's stocked with loyalists of Nicolas Maduro, who was seized Jan. 3 by the U.S. and spirited to New York City to face narcotrafficking charges. The State Department hopes a new court is picked by year's end.

  • 改革委内瑞拉国家选举委员会。该委员会同样由马杜罗的人马填充,并配合最高法院协助他窃取了最近两次总统大选。国务院希望明年年初前组建新委员会。

• Reform Venezuela's National Electoral Council. It's also filled with Maduro's people, and with the Supreme Court it helped him steal his last two elections as president. The State Department hopes a new council will be in place by early next year.

  • 解决委内瑞拉债务问题。委内瑞拉拥有全球最大的主权债务问题之一——3000亿美元,超过其国内生产总值。关于这一障碍的预期时间表不太明确,鲁比奥周一也未明确谈及。

• Fix Venezuela's debt. Venezuela has one of the world's largest sovereign debt problems — $300 billion, more than its gross domestic product. The hoped-for timeline regarding this hurdle is less clear, and Rubio didn't explicitly discuss it Monday.

言外之意:正如 Axios 于 9 月首次报道,特朗普在私下告诉罗德里格斯选举终有一天要举行时,也与她讨论了上述所有三个问题。

Between the lines: As Axios first reported in September, Trump discussed all three of those issues with Rodriguez when he also told her privately that elections need to happen one day.

  • 在鲁比奥简报会的记录中,一名国务院高级官员又增加了一个可能的问题:改革安全部门,这同样可能需要时间。

• In a transcript of Rubio's briefing, a senior State Department official added another possible issue: reforming the security services, which also could take time.

  • “如果你想让一个民选政府成功,你不希望他们继承一场将其拖垮的经济大崩溃,”根据记录,该官员说。

• "If you want a democratically elected government to succeed, you don't want them to inherit an economic apocalypse that brings it down," the official said, according to the transcript.

  • “当那些对体制不忠诚的安全部队决定不服从命令时会发生什么?——无论谁当选,它们都不会服从命令;它们不会执行。加拉加斯再次成为西半球的谋杀之都,甚至可能是世界之都。”

• "What happens when the security forces that are not loyal to the system decide they're not gonna follow orders from — no matter who got elected? They're not gonna follow their orders; they're not gonna follow through. Now Caracas once again becomes the murder capital of the Western Hemisphere, maybe the world."

鲁比奥未给出任何时间表。他告诉记者,不会允许由前副总统德尔西·罗德里格斯领导的委内瑞拉现政府拖延特朗普政府的进程,后者将于 2029 年 1 月结束。

Rubio did not specify any timelines. He told reporters he wouldn't allow Venezuela's current government, run by former Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, to stall out Trump's administration, which ends in January 2029.

  • “如果他们只是试图拖过这两年怎么办?那不会发生,”鲁比奥说。“我的意思是,我们有商定好的时间表,到目前为止他们已经遵守了每一个时间表。”

• "What if they just try to wait us out for two years? That's not going to happen," Rubio said. "I mean, we have timelines that are agreed to, and so far they've met every one of the timelines."

  • 国务院官员表示,要要求举行新选举,罗德里格斯必须宣布总统职位出现空缺。这将在六个月后触发选举。

• To call for a new election, Rodriguez would have to declare a vacancy in the presidency. That would trigger an election six months later, State Department officials said.

  • 因此,在最乐观的时间表下,罗德里格斯可能会在明年 6 月要求举行选举。特朗普政府官员向 Axios 强调,选举没有明确日期,可能在明年举行,也可能在 2028 年举行。

• So under the most optimistic timeline, Rodriguez could call for an election for next June. Trump administration officials emphasized to Axios that no date for an election is clear, and that it could take place next year or in 2028. Rubio also said

鲁比奥还表示他希望尽可能长时间留任:“最好的情况是,我还能在这个职位上干两年两个月。所以我显然打算在我离开政府之前,提前把这件事办妥。”

he wants to stay on the job as long as possible: "Best-case scenario, I'm in this job for two more years and two months. So I clearly intend to see this thing well in advance of the time I leave" the administration.

耐人寻味的是:罗德里格斯和马查多(马杜罗禁止其参加2024年竞选)已明确表示彼此对立。

The intrigue: Rodriguez and Machado (whom Maduro banned from running in 2024) have made clear their mutual opposition to each other.

  • 罗德里格斯周一对记者表示,未点名对手,但称马查多应对支持“对外部攻势、那种针对委内瑞拉的外部军事式侵略”感到悔恨或后悔。

• Without naming her rival, Rodriguez told reporters Monday that Machado should feel remorse or regret for supporting the "external onslaught, that external military-style aggression against Venezuela."

  • 这是指美国扣押马杜罗的暗语,但鲁比奥对记者表示,他关注的是罗德里格斯的行动而非言辞。他说,到目前为止,她已兑现承诺,消除伊朗和古巴在该国的影响力,并引渡了马杜罗前盟友亚历克斯·萨阿布,后者是针对马杜罗的合作证人。

• That's code for the U.S. seizing of Maduro, but Rubio told reporters he's paying attention to Rodriguez's actions and not her words. So far, he said, she's delivered on eliminating Iranian and Cuban influence in the country and extraditing former Maduro ally Alex Saab, a cooperating witness against him.

  • “如果最终我们拥有一个新的最高法院、一个新的选举委员会、一次新的选举,以及一个新的……政府体制,这就是我们想要的,”鲁比奥说。“无论人们在过程中怎么说,只要这发生了,这就是一个以结果为导向的过程。”

• "If at the end of the day we have a new [Supreme Court], a new [Electoral Council], a new election, and a new ... system of government, that's what we want," Rubio said. "And no matter what people say along the way, as long as it happens, this is a results-based process." The bottom line: Rubio said Venezuela has "got to change the infrastructure of the elections. Not in 10 years.

核心要点:鲁比奥表示,委内瑞拉“必须改变选举基础设施。不是10年,不是5年,不是2年。它需要在我们设定的时间表下迅速发生。”

Not in five years. Not in two years. It needs to happen quickly under the timelines that we've established."

  • “但如果有人试图破坏这一进程,他们就是在给委内瑞拉造成巨大伤害。”

• "But if anybody tries to derail that process, they're doing great harm to Venezuela."

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