加拿大总理也明确表示，渥太华短期内不会向华盛顿屈服。“我们有主动权。我们有选择。” 吉赛尔·鲁希耶·尤因、佐娅·谢夫塔洛维奇、尼克·泰勒-韦西 报道总理马克·卡尼有一项应对唐纳德·特朗普总统的“打破常规”计划：等待一位新的美国领导人上台。
The Canadian PM also made clear Ottawa won’t submit to Washington anytime soon. “We have agency. We have options.”By Giselle Ruhiyyih Ewing, Zoya Sheftalovich, Nick Taylor-Vaisey Prime Minister Mark Carney has a break-the-glass plan to deal with President Donald Trump: Wait for a new American leader.
在周五接受《政治客》（POLITICO）的广泛采访时，卡尼表示，加拿大可以等待新的椭圆形办公室主人入主白宫，然后再与华盛顿签署贸易协定，并指出渥太华拥有“选择”。这是卡尼应对日益难以预测、有时甚至充满敌意的美国等超级大国的更广泛战略的一部分。
In a wide-ranging interview with POLITICO on Friday, Carney said Canada could stand by for a new Oval Office occupant before inking a trade deal with Washington, noting that Ottawa has “options.”It’s part of Carney’s broader strategy for dealing with increasingly unpredictable and at times hostile superpowers like the United States.
这位加拿大总理在1月达沃斯峰会上发表声明，称中等强国必须在新世界秩序形成之际挺身对抗全球霸权，引起轰动。本周，他在蒙特利尔主持了与欧盟高层领导人的会议，讨论建立新的欧洲-加拿大联盟，寻求在该运动中发挥主导作用。
The Canadian premier made waves in January when he declared at the Davos summit that middle powers must stand up to global hegemons as a new world order takes shape. This week, he hosted a meeting in Montreal with top EU leaders to discuss a new Europe-Canada alliance as he seeks to take a lead role in that movement.
刚结束这场里程碑式峰会，卡尼便坐下来接受《政治客》专访，谈论了从新联盟如何应对快速发展的人工智能技术构成的威胁，到他是否会在下一季《激烈竞争》（Heated Rivalry）中客串露面等一系列话题。以下是我们的六大要点。
Fresh off the landmark summit, Carney sat down with POLITICO to discuss a range of topics from how the new alliance with Europe would respond to threats posed by rapidly advancing AI technology to whether he’ll be making a cameo in the next season of “Heated Rivalry.”Here are our top six takeaways.
- 谈贸易：“我们有主动权。我们有选择。”卡尼明确表示，他完全可以等待华盛顿出现新政府，以便为加拿大争取有利协议。
- Talking trade: ‘We have agency. We have options.’Carney made clear he has no problem waiting for a new administration in Washington to get a favorable deal for Canada.
当被问及是否愿意等待新任美国总统上台时，他说：“如果需要的话，我们就得这么做。”
“We’ll have to, if that’s what it takes,” he said when asked if he was willing to wait for a new U.S. president.
卡尼辩称，美加之间“最互利”的协议是现有协议。即使在“美国新贸易政策的环境下”——也就是这两个邻国之间正在进行的贸易战中——卡尼表示，仍然存在双赢的路径。
The “most mutually advantageous” deal between the U.S. and Canada is the existing one, Carney argued. Even in an “environment of the new trade policy of the United States” — otherwise known as the ongoing trade war between the two neighbors — Carney said that there are still win-win routes to take.
但随着贸易谈判未能取得成果，这位加拿大总理发出信号，表明他的国家不会屈服于美国施加的压力而做出让步。“我们拥有主动权。我们有选择，”卡尼说。
But as trade talks fail to yield results, the Canadian premier signaled that his country will not give in to U.S. pressure to make concessions. “We have agency. We have options,” Carney said.
在美方同意达成一个对加拿大有利的协议之前，特朗普在8月贸易谈判破裂前一天赠送给卡尼的四件布鲁克斯兄弟（Brooks Brothers）衬衫将继续挂在衣架上。
And until the U.S. agrees to a deal that works for Canada, the four Brooks Brothers dress shirts Trump gifted Carney the day before trade talks collapsed in August will remain on the hanger.
“因为我们没有达成互利的贸易协定，所以我没机会穿上这些衬衫，”卡尼说。
“I haven’t had occasion to put on the shirts because we don’t have a mutually advantageous trade deal,” Carney said.
- 科技巨头并非敌人——大体上不是卡尼警告说，权力集中在少数科技巨头手中带来严重风险。
- Tech titans aren’t the enemy — mostly The consolidation of power in the hands of a few tech company giants presents serious risks, Carney warned.
“如果你连接的卫星系统由一位亿万富翁、近乎万亿富翁掌控，他可以在某一刻决定关闭或不关闭，这不是个好主意，”卡尼在一句不那么隐晦的讽刺中说道，指向SpaceX首席执行官埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk），后者近期因其公司限制乌克兰的“星链”（Starlink）连接而遭到抨击。
“If you’re connected to a satellite system that a billionaire, almost trillionaire, decides to turn off at one moment or not, that’s not a good idea,” Carney said in a not-so-veiled jab at SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, who recently caught backlash after his company throttled Starlink connectivity for Ukraine.
这就是为什么欧洲和加拿大正在“整合”太空资产，以增强冗余度并减少对单一公司的依赖，卡尼说。不过，他承认加拿大和欧洲替代马斯克火箭的方案还要几年才能投入运营。卡尼还为全球人工智能监管提出了理由，认为科技无法自我治理。
That’s why Europe and Canada are “pooling” space assets to bolster redundancy and limit reliance on one company, Carney said. Still, he acknowledged that Canadian and European alternatives to Musk’s rockets won’t be operational for a few years. Carney also made the case for global artificial intelligence regulation, arguing that tech can’t govern itself.
鉴于七国集团（G7）和二十国集团（G20）等本应牵头行动的团体未能采取行动，卡尼表示，“志同道合的国家”如加拿大和欧洲国家必须承担起这一责任。他说，新的所谓“面向未来联盟”旨在做到这一点。
In the absence of action from groups like the G7 and G20, which he said should be leading the charge but have failed to, “like-minded countries” like Canada and European nations must take up that mantle. That’s what the new so-called alliance for the future aims to do, he said.
尽管如此，卡尼此前曾警告先进技术对人类构成的风险，但他并未将人工智能巨头描绘成厄运的预兆。他说，一些人工智能领袖“确实认真对待”这一问题，特别肯定了谷歌DeepMind联合创始人德米斯·哈萨比斯（Demis Hassabis）和Anthropic首席执行官达里奥·阿莫代伊（Dario Amodei）处于“前沿位置”，警示该技术的潜在风险。
Still, Carney, who has previously warned about the risks the advanced technology poses to humanity, didn’t paint AI titans as harbingers of doom. Some AI leaders “do take it seriously,” he said, giving credit in particular to Google DeepMind co-founder Demis Hassabis and Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei for being “at the forefront” of the movement warning about the tech’s potential risks.
- 别指望卡尼与普京通话加拿大总理对在即将于中国举行的亚太经合组织（APEC）峰会上与俄罗斯领导人弗拉基米尔·普京会面不感兴趣。
- Count Carney out of a Putin chat The Canadian premier isn’t interested in meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin at the upcoming Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in China.
在十一月领导人会议缺乏面对面交流的情况下，卡尼表示，他给普京的信息是：“我们将收紧制裁，退出乌克兰，停止你的战争罪行。”卡尼拒绝与普京会晤，这与其部分欧洲盟友近期采取的做法形成对比。芬兰总统亚历山大·斯图布和挪威首相约纳斯·加尔·斯特勒本周早些时候采取了不同寻常的举措，通过电话与普京通话，此举招致了其他一些欧洲领导人的批评。
In the absence of a face-to-face at the November leaders’ meeting, Carney said his message to Putin is: “We’re going to tighten sanctions, get out of Ukraine, stop your war crimes.”Carney’s rejection of a Putin sit down stands in contrast to an approach some of his European allies have been taking of late. Finnish President Alexander Stubb and Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre took the unusual step of speaking with Putin by phone earlier this week, which drew some criticism from other European leaders.
卡尼表示，这一举动“可以接受”，甚至可能具有“建设性”。相比之下，美国在对俄制裁和对乌克兰防御援助方面的行为“差异”“毫无帮助”，他说。
That move was “fine” and potentially even “constructive,” Carney said. By contrast, the “variance” in U.S. behavior when it comes to sanctions on Russia and defensive help for Ukraine has “been unhelpful,” he said.
被问及近期允许俄罗斯冰球队参加国际赛事的决定时，卡尼严厉抨击该举措“令人不快”。俄罗斯队将能够参加的首个赛事是定于今年十二月在阿尔伯塔省举行的世界青年锦标赛。“我会考虑一下，”当被追问对该决定的回应时，卡尼表示。
Asked about a recent decision to allow Russian hockey teams to play in international events, Carney slammed the move as “unwelcome.”The first event Russian teams would be able to compete in is the World Junior Championship set to begin this December — in Alberta. “I’ll think about it,” Carney said when pressed on his response to the decision.
- 紧跟文化潮流加拿大自家导演内森·费尔德执导的新片正风靡票房，卡尼尚未观看。
- Keeping up with the culture Carney has yet to see the new movie by Canada’s own Nathan Fielder that’s taking box offices by storm.
“我什么都能看，但我还没看这部纪录片，”卡尼借用片名《你能看见一切》（You Can See Everything）调侃道。至于是否允许费尔德为他拍摄纪录片，他尚未表态。
“I can see everything, but I haven’t seen the documentary,” Carney said, riffing off of the movie’s title, “You Can See Everything.”As for whether he’d let Fielder make a documentary on him, he wasn’t ready to commit.
期待在即将播出的热门大尺度剧集《激烈对决》（Heated Rivalry）新一季中一睹加拿大总理风采的观众可能要失望了。“我觉得卡尼客串可能会拉低收视率，所以我不会抱太大希望，”他说。
And audiences hoping for a glimpse of the Canadian premier in the upcoming season of the steamy fan-favorite “Heated Rivalry” TV show should lower their expectations. “I think having a Carney cameo might drive down ratings, so I wouldn’t hold my breath,” he said.
- 另一场激烈对决卡尼驳回了任何暗示他会因担心招致特朗普愤怒——或为博取其青睐——而保持沉默的说法。“那样做会导致疯狂，”卡尼说。
- The other heated rivalry Carney dismissed any suggestion that he’d hold his tongue for fear of invoking Trump’s wrath — or to gain his favor. “That way lies madness,” Carney said.
“最好就是绝对清楚地说明我们在做什么，”他补充道，谈及他对待华盛顿的方式。
“It’s far better just to be absolutely clear what we’re doing,” he added of his approach to Washington.
这一策略并未赢得白宫的任何善意，特朗普反复抨击他，并威胁升级与加拿大的贸易战。卡尼不在乎。
That strategy hasn’t won him any goodwill from the White House, as Trump has repeatedly bashed him and threatened to ratchet up the trade war with Canada. Carney doesn’t care.
“我们不会因美国怎么想、中国怎么想、当然还有俄罗斯怎么想而做调整，”他说。
“We’re not adjusting for what the U.S. might think, what China might think, certainly what Russia might think,” he said.
- 近在咫尺的极右翼随着欧洲对右翼候选人的支持上升，卡尼可能不得不与更棘手的合作伙伴打交道。他对此并不太担忧。
- The far-right around the corner Carney might have to deal with more challenging partners amid an upswing in support for right-wing candidates across Europe. He’s not too worried about it.
“拥有价值观、珍视民主、自由和法治的一部分，就是要举行选举，由人民决定他们想走哪条路，”当被问及法国极右翼领导人勒庞等人在明年大选后掌权的可能性时，卡尼说。
“Part of having values and valuing democracy and freedom and the rule of law is that you have elections and the people decide which direction they want to go,” Carney said when asked about the potential for leaders like France’s far-right Marine Le Pen wielding power following elections next year.
虽然他表示已准备好与勒庞这样的人物共事，但他承认，欧洲的“合作范围”和大陆的“优先事项”可能会因即将到来的彼岸选举结果而改变。
While he said he was ready to work across the table with a figure like Le Pen, he acknowledged that the “range of cooperation for Europe” and the continent’s “priorities” might change depending on the outcome of looming elections across the pond.
这些变化可能非常剧烈。勒庞誓言，如果她当选，法国将削减对乌克兰的财政援助，而这是基辅盟友行动的关键支柱。
Those shifts could be stark. Le Pen has vowed that if she’s voted into office, France would cut financial assistance to Ukraine, a key pillar of action for Kyiv’s allies.
这也可能给卡尼刚建立的与欧洲的联盟带来挑战。但卡尼依然保持乐观。
It could also pose a challenge for Carney’s brand-new alliance with Europe. But Carney remains an optimist.
“共事与达成一致是两码事，”他说。“但依我的经验，最好还是着眼于共同合作。”
“Working with and having agreement on are two different things,” he said. “But in my experience, it’s best to look to work together.”