
“这是一场水门事件级别的否决。”—— 德克萨斯州共和党参议员泰德·克鲁兹对中期选举的评价。
“It was a Watergate-level repudiation.”— Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz on the midterm elections Democrat Abdul El-Sayed made history Tuesday, becoming the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Senate.
民主党人阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛义德周二创造历史,成为首位当选美国参议员的穆斯林。这位 42 岁的前底特律卫生局局长以 7 个百分点的优势赢得了备受关注的密歇根州参议员竞选,克服了针对其信仰的攻击和巨大的资金劣势。
The 42-year-old former Detroit health director won Michigan’s closely watched race by seven points, overcoming attacks on his faith and a massive spending disadvantage.
埃尔-赛义德今日做客《早安乔》节目,畅谈其胜选的启示、与唐纳德·特朗普总统合作的前景,以及为何他认为民主党需要重新思考执政方式。
El-Sayed joined “Morning Joe” today to discuss the lessons of his victory, working with President Donald Trump, and why he believes Democrats need to rethink how they govern.
乔·斯卡伯勒:共和党人因你的信仰反复试图将你与恐怖组织联系在一起。然而你预测将以 7 个百分点获胜——并且真的做到了。你对密歇根州选民的了解,是你的对手所不具备的?
Joe Scarborough: Republicans repeatedly tried to link you to terrorist organizations because of your faith. Yet you predicted you’d win by seven points — and you did. What did you understand about Michigan voters that your opponents didn’t?
我 42 年来始终如一。从我的角度来看,总有一些心胸狭隘之人大声疾呼,自诩代表所有人。
I’ve been me for 42 years. From my vantage point, there are always a few small-minded people who speak very loudly and claim to speak for everybody else.
我押注于一个“宽广的密歇根” —— 赌密歇根州民会摒弃这种政治手段。我只是万分感激,他们接纳了一个包容我们所有人的“宽广密歇根”。
I took a bet on a big Michigan — that Michiganders were going to reject this kind of politics. And I’m just so grateful that they embraced a big Michigan that includes all of us.
威利·盖斯特:你不断把话题拉回汽油和食品杂货的价格。这对你的胜利有多关键?
Willie Geist: You kept bringing the conversation back to the price of gas and groceries. How important was that to your victory?
我认为这关乎负担能力和一贯性。政治圈有个流行词:真诚。但真诚不在于表达方式,而在于一贯性。
I think it was about affordability and consistency. We have this buzzword in politics: authenticity. But authenticity isn’t about delivery.
初选阶段,我们在经费上以 1 比 11 的劣势被对手碾压,对手花费 7000 万美元。大选阶段,我们又被对手多花约 1.1 亿美元。但这没能把我打倒。无论走到哪里,我都用同样的方式谈论同样的议题。
It’s about consistency. We got outspent in our primary 11 to one, $70 million. In the general election, we were outspent by about $110 million. But it didn’t knock me off my block. I kept talking about the same things in the same ways, everywhere I went.
乔·斯卡伯勒:特朗普总统表示,周二失利后他愿意跨党派合作。你信吗?你们可能在哪些方面找到共同点?
Joe Scarborough: President Trump says he’s willing to work across the aisle after Tuesday’s defeats. Do you believe him — and where might you find common ground?
有趣的是,当你敢于对抗某人并击败他们时,会发生什么。我认为人们一直把唐纳德·特朗普看作一个庞大、不可战胜的怪物。结果证明,你只需站出来对抗他,他就能看透风向。
It’s funny what happens when you stand up to people and you beat them. I think people have always seen Donald Trump as this big, unbeatable monster. It turns out you just stand up to him, and he can read the tea leaves.
我们的政治不应关乎报复。它应关乎维护法治,最重要的是,为美国民众带来实惠。
Our politics shouldn’t be about retribution. It should be about enforcing the rule of law and, most importantly, delivering for the American public.
如果总统有意让金钱退出政治、把钱装进民众腰包、并推行全民医保,那正是我参选要做的事。我期待与任何愿意做这些事的人合作。
If the president is interested in getting money out of politics, putting money in pockets, and passing Medicare for all, that’s what I ran to do. I’m looking forward to working with anyone willing to do those things.
乔·斯卡伯勒:民主党靠从进步派到温和派的各类候选人赢得了胜利。这对该党有什么启示?
Joe Scarborough: Democrats won with candidates ranging from progressives to moderates. What’s the lesson for the party?
我们的面貌就是美国的面貌。我们过去犯的一个错误,是把大帐篷组织成各个独立的小群体,政客们分别向每个群体献媚。
We look like America. One mistake we made in the past was organizing our big tent into separate groups, with politicians pandering to each one.
我们的竞选试图把所有人带到中间的主帐篷柱下。无论你是谁、如何自我认同、长相如何、如何祈祷,你都需要一份薪资能维持体面生活的好工作。你需要买得起房、送孩子上好学校、拥有医疗保障和体面的退休生活。
Our campaign tried to bring everybody to the center tentpole. No matter who you are, how you identify, what you look like or how you pray, you need a good job that pays a living wage. You need to be able to afford a home, send your kids to good schools, and have health care and a decent retirement.
威利·盖斯特:你在以色列问题上的立场引起了犹太裔选民和你前初选对手的担忧。你想对这些选民说什么?
Willie Geist: Your positions on Israel raised concerns among Jewish voters and your former primary opponent. What’s your message to those voters?
我有幸在一个犹太裔约占高中同学40%的社区长大。我去过犹太教堂、逾越节晚餐、成年礼(巴米兹瓦和巴特米兹瓦)。我对犹太信仰和犹太人对美国生活的贡献充满敬意。
I was fortunate to grow up in a community where about 40% of my high school class was Jewish. I went to synagogues, seders, bar and bat mitzvahs. I have so much respect for the Jewish faith and Jewish contributions to American life.
任何人在犹太教堂或犹太日校感到不安全,这一想法对我来说都是不可想象的。我致力于犹太儿童的安全,正如我致力于自己孩子的安全一样。
The idea that anybody should feel unsafe in their synagogue or their day school is anathema to me. I’m committed to the safety of Jewish children, just as I am to the safety of my own children.
乔·斯卡伯勒:你同意特朗普总统关于切断对以色列援助的观点吗?
Joe Scarborough: Do you agree with President Trump about cutting off aid to Israel?
我确实这么认为。我不认为我们应该继续补贴一支外国军队,这支军队用我们的钱做了最糟糕的事。我很乐意和他合作推动这件事。事实上,我不确定我们是否应该继续向一个用我们的武器做可怕事情的国家出售武器。我们必须把犹太教和犹太人民、以色列及其行为区分开来。乔·斯卡伯勒:民主党人上台后首先该做什么?行动,行动,行动,行动。民众必须看到你们在施政。
I do. I don’t think we should continue to subsidize a foreign military that has done the worst things with our money. I’d love to work with him on doing that. In fact, I don’t know that we should be continuing to sell weapons to a country that is using our weapons to do awful things. We have to separate between Judaism and the Jewish people, and Israel and its actions. Joe Scarborough: What should Democrats do first when they take office? Action, action, action, action. People have to see you governing.
有三件事我们绝对必须立即采取行动。第一,结束这场战争。我们需要一项战争权力决议,恢复国会的宣战权力。第二,结束这套关税制度和对加拿大的贸易战。第三,阻止因这些医疗补助削减而即将在我们医疗体系引爆的“核弹”。
There are three things we absolutely must do immediately. First, end this war. We need a war powers resolution that restores Congress’s war-making capacity. Second, end this tariff regime and the war against Canada. And third, stop the nuclear bomb about to go off in our healthcare system because of these Medicaid cuts.
威利·盖斯特:在遭受这么多攻击后,为什么从政仍值得?你会对考虑投身公共服务的年轻人说什么?
Willie Geist: After all the attacks you’ve faced, why was it worth entering politics? And what would you tell young people considering public service?
我们生活在世界上最伟大的国家。我从小就知道这一点,因为我可以花15小时飞往我家族的祖籍国埃及,在那里,我见过的最聪明的人——我的祖母——从未上过学,那里的预期寿命要短10年。但我不用飞15小时就能看到这种差距。从我长大的地方出发,只要开15分钟就能到达底特律或庞蒂亚克,那里也有同样的10年差距。我成为一名医生,是因为我想对此做点什么。
We live in the greatest country in the world. I knew that growing up because I could travel 15 hours to my family’s native Egypt, where my grandmother, the smartest person I ever met, never got to go to school — and where life expectancy was 10 years shorter. But I didn’t have to travel 15 hours to see that kind of disparity. I could go 15 minutes from where I grew up into Detroit or Pontiac and find the same 10-year gap. I became a doctor because I wanted to do something about that.
我们不必“再次伟大”。让这个国家伟大的是我们能够纠正航向——而我们需要有人来进行纠正。
We don’t have to be great again. What makes this country great is that we can correct course — and we need people doing the correcting.
我相信公共服务。能为他人服务、为他人创造机会,因为这个国家给了我机会,这是多大的快乐。我的家族来自一个没有民主的地方,所以我绝不轻视我们拥有的这一权利。
I believe in public service. What a joy to be able to serve others, to create opportunity for others, because of the opportunity this country gave me. My family comes from a place where there is no democracy, so I don’t take it lightly that we get to do this.
美国东部时间每周二中午12点,MS NOW会员可以参加与乔·斯卡伯勒的现场对话。
Every Tuesday at 12 p.m. ET, MS NOW Members can join a live conversation with Joe Scarborough.
如果您有兴趣通过视频直接向乔提问,请告知我们。这些问题可以涉及政治、当天新闻,或您心中想到的任何其他话题!
If you are interested in asking Joe a question directly over video, please let us know. These questions can be about politics, news of the day, or anything else that’s on your mind!
参与者需要完成一个简短的预访谈,并能在11月10日周二美国东部时间上午11:30至下午12:30期间参加。
Participants will need to complete a short pre-interview and be available from 11:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. ET on Tuesday, Nov. 10, to take part.
如果您有兴趣,请在11月6日周五前填写此表格。入选的参与者将通过电子邮件收到通知。
If you’re interested, please fill out this form by Friday, Nov. 6. Participants will be notified via email if selected.
1940年11月5日,总统富兰克林·罗斯福击败共和党人温德尔·威尔基,赢得了前所未有的第三个任期。他在1944年再次当选,但就职仅82天后便去世。1951年,第22条修正案获批,将未来总统的当选任期限制为两届。
On Nov. 5, 1940, President Franklin D. Roosevelt defeated Republican Wendell Willkie to win an unprecedented third term. He was re-elected in 1944 but died just 82 days after his inauguration. In 1951, the 22nd Amendment was ratified, limiting future presidents to two elected terms.
© Corbis / Corbis via Getty Images 1944年,詹姆斯·蒙哥马利·弗拉格为艺术与科学独立选民委员会绘制的一张海报,敦促富兰克林·罗斯福竞选第四个任期。
© Corbis / Corbis via Getty Images A 1944 poster by James Montgomery Flagg for the Independent Voters’ Committee of the Arts and Sciences urges Franklin D. Roosevelt to seek a fourth term.
吉姆·范德海谈选民传递的信息:“我们以为民主正在崩塌,制度无法维系,选票不再安全——但选举按应有方式进行了。过去40年政治的教训是:别欺骗美国人民。别许诺不介入战争却发动战争,或承诺降低物价却推高物价。总有那么一刻,人们会说‘够了’。而他们确实说了‘够了’。”
Jim VandeHei on the message from voters“We thought democracy was crumbling, that institutions couldn’t hold, that your vote wasn’t safe — but the elections went off as they should. The lesson of the last 40 years of politics is: Don’t BS the American people. Don’t promise to stay out of war and then go to war, or to bring down prices and then raise them. At some point, people say enough is enough. And they said enough.”
克莱尔·麦卡斯基尔谈2028年得克萨斯州的争夺:“民主党总统候选人将渴望得克萨斯州,那里有40张选举人票。突然间,这使候选人阵容趋于温和,因为民主党在那里具备竞争力。如果他们赢下得州,在全国大选中势必获胜。而在目前的思路下,共和党若不拿下得州,就无法赢得白宫。”
Claire McCaskill on the battle for Texas in 2028“Democratic presidential candidates are going to lust after Texas, which has 40 electoral votes. All of a sudden, that moderates the field because Democrats can compete there. They can’t help but win nationally if they carry Texas. And Republicans, at least in current thinking, can’t win the White House without it.”
威利·盖斯特谈特朗普的政治清算:“过去十年,民主党备受煎熬,他们相信特朗普拥有某种魔力,对国家施了魔咒。好吧,那显然失效了。政策——以及行为——最终追上了他。”
Willie Geist on Trump’s political reckoning “Democrats for the last decade have been so burned, and they believe Trump has some magic, some spell that he’s cast over the country. Well, that clearly ran out. The policies — and the behavior — caught up to him.”