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“普京会把你们拖入战争,”乌克兰前外长对欧洲人说道‘Putin will drag you into the war,’ former Ukrainian foreign minister tells Europeans

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基辅 — 乌克兰前外交部长德米特罗·库列巴警告称,随着克里姆林宫对欧洲的混合攻击加剧,俄罗斯总统普京正在为与欧洲的更广泛对抗做准备。

KYIV — Russia's Vladimir Putin is preparing for a broader confrontation with Europe amid an uptick in the Kremlin's hybrid attacks on the continent, Ukraine's former Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has warned.

在接受Axel Springer全球记者网络采访时,库列巴表示,他曾在2020年至2024年担任乌克兰外交政策负责人,称俄罗斯持续的战争准备和反欧宣传是普京正在策划对其他欧洲国家发动攻击的迹象。

In an interview with the Axel Springer Global Reporters Network, Kuleba, who was Ukraine's foreign policy chief from 2020 to 2024, said that Russia's continued war preparations and anti-European propaganda are signs that Putin is planning attacks on other European countries.

“反欧 hysteria(狂热)正在俄罗斯被煽动,我认为这是为与欧洲其他地区爆发更广泛冲突做准备的迹象,”库列巴说,随后补充道:“我们[乌克兰人]不必拖你们入战 — 普京会把你们拖进战争。”欧洲官员表示,莫斯科在最近几个月里加大了对欧洲大陆的混合作战力度,利用网络攻击、破坏和虚假信息来破坏关键基础设施并削弱对乌克兰的支持。

"Anti-European hysteria is being fueled in Russia, which I interpret as the preparation for a broader conflict with the rest of Europe," said Kuleba, before adding: "We [Ukrainians] don't have to drag you — Putin will drag you into the war." European officials say Moscow has upped its hybrid campaign across the continent in recent months, using cyberattacks, sabotage and disinformation to disrupt critical infrastructure and weaken support for Ukraine.

库列巴表示,去年八月德国莱比锡机场遭遇的无人机袭击未遂事件是“大陆攻击准备加剧”的迹象。“他们看到你们的情报机构是如何运作的。他们看到你们的安全部队是如何运作的。他们看到你们的反应,并据此得出结论,”他补充道。

Kuleba said the failed drone attack on the Leipzig airport in Germany in August was a sign of "growing preparation" for an offensive on the continent. "They see how your intelligence operates. They see how your security forces operate. They see how you react and they draw conclusions," he added.

在此事件之后,德国政府得出结论认为莫斯科对此次袭击负责,并下令对敏感地点周边的安全进行审查。

In the aftermath of the incident, the German government concluded that Moscow was responsible for the attack, and ordered a review of security around sensitive locations.

然而,库列巴在2024年9月卸任乌克兰外交政策负责人一职后表示,他不认为俄罗斯正在为超越乌克兰的全面进攻做准备。在他看来,莫斯科更可能对北约国家发动以无人机袭击关键基础设施为主的攻击,以此来考验北约的团结与准备程度。

However, Kuleba, who stood down as Ukraine's foreign policy chief in September 2024, does not think Russia is preparing a full-scale offensive beyond Ukraine. In his view, Moscow is more likely to launch an attack on NATO countries involving drones targeting key infrastructure that would test the alliance's unity and preparedness.

事实是,俄罗斯不需要再增加40万人来发动这场战争,它只需要五架无人机,”他说,并补充道,如果发生袭击,“[欧洲人]可以要求北约进行磋商……可以要求克制。但这只会鼓励普京采取下一步行动……他总是拥有足够的无人机和导弹能力。”

"The truth is that Russia does not need 400,000 more people to wage that war. It needs five drones," he said, adding that in the event of an attack, "[Europeans] can call for NATO consultations... can call for restraint. But this will only encourage Putin to make the next step ...

库列巴不再相信普京可以通过谈判被说服结束战争。“他不在寻找解决方案,也不在寻找暂停,也不会有他开始寻找的时刻,”他说,并总结道:“普京是战争的保证:普京之后的任何人都是和平的机会。”根据库列巴的说法,任何试图与普京谈判或推动和平的努力都是浪费时间。“我们越早接受现实,就越能制定出更好的政策来应对它,”他说。

He will always have enough drone and missile capabilities." Kuleba no longer believes Putin can be persuaded to end the war through negotiations. "He's not looking for a solution, for a pause, and there will be no moment when he will start looking for it," he said, concluding: "Putin is a guarantee of war: anyone after Putin is a chance for peace." According to Kuleba, any attempts at negotiating with Putin, or pushing for peace, are a waste of time. "The sooner we come to terms with reality, the better policies we can develop to address it," he said.

他指出,虽然欧洲的政治文化建立在“双赢”理念之上,即双方都能获益,但普京的看法截然不同:“对他来说,使双方都受益的解决方案不是最佳选择。对他来说,世界遵循胜败原则。一方必须获胜,另一方必须失败,”库列巴说。

He noted that while Europe’s political culture is based on "a win-win approach" in which both sides can benefit, Putin’s outlook is very different: “For him, a solution that benefits both sides is not the best option. For him, the world works on the principle of victory and defeat. One side has to win and the other has to lose,” said Kuleba.

这位前外长还警告称,随着莫斯科加大对平民的袭击力度以瓦解他们的意志,乌克兰将面临有史以来最严峻的冬季。

The former foreign minister also warned that Ukraine would face its worst ever winter as Moscow ups its attacks against civilians in a bid to break their spirit.

最近几个月,俄罗斯的袭击已经击中了乌克兰的能源基础设施和交通要道,包括第聂伯河上的桥梁,以及住宅和民用设施,如公交车站、学校、邮局和互联网服务提供者。这些袭击扰乱了电力、交通和日常生活,随着冬季的到来,情况日益严峻。

In recent months, Russian strikes have hit Ukraine’s energy infrastructure and transport links, including bridges over the Dnipro river, as well as homes and civilian sites such as bus stops, schools, postal depots and internet providers. The attacks have disrupted power, transport and daily life as winter approaches.

周四,在乌克兰顿巴斯地区克拉马托尔斯克对两辆巴士的俄罗斯袭击中,至少有33人丧生。

On Thursday, at least 33 people were killed in a Russian attack on two buses in Kramatorsk in Ukraine’s Donbas region.

库列巴解释了他为何认为莫斯科现在大幅升级了空袭行动:“城市轰炸是俄罗斯在战场上未能击败乌克兰的直接后果。”他继续说道:“俄罗斯无人机和导弹的主要目标是乌克兰人的抵抗意志 — — 但也包括乌克兰国外朋友继续支持它的意志。”他补充道:“他们不仅仅想让乌克兰熄灯。他们想让这个国家瘫痪。”库列巴描述了乌克兰的最坏情况是“使大城市生活成为可能的系统崩溃”,例如电力、供水和排水服务。

Kuleba explained why he believed Moscow has now sharply escalated its airstrikes: “The bombing of cities is a direct consequence of Russia’s failure to defeat Ukraine on the battlefield.”He continued: “The main target of Russian drones and missiles is the Ukrainians’ will to resist — but also the will of Ukraine’s friends abroad to keep supporting it.”He added:“They don’t just want to turn out the lights in Ukraine. They want to paralyze the country.”Kuleba described the worst-case scenario in Ukraine as “the collapse of the systems that make life in a big city possible,” such as electricity, water and drainage services.

俄罗斯能否成功?“我认为乌克兰太大、太机动、太适应性强。这就是为什么我认为我们能够熬过这个冬天,”库列巴说。

Could Russia succeed? “I believe Ukraine is too large, too mobile and too adaptable. That’s why I think we’ll get through this winter," said Kuleba.

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