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导演亚历克斯·吉布尼谈令人恐惧的马斯克纪录片:“这不是葬礼,而是警告”Director Alex Gibney on terrifying Musk documentary: 'It's not a funeral; it's a warning'

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2024年10月,特斯拉和SpaceX首席执行官埃隆·马斯克在宾夕法尼亚州巴特勒的巴特勒农场展览场举行的一场竞选活动上,走向讲台,与共和党总统候选人、美国前总统唐纳德·特朗普一同发表讲话。(亚历克斯·布兰登/美联社)Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk walks to the stage to speak alongside Republican presidential nominee and former U.S. president Donald Trump at a campaign event at the Butler Farm Show in October 2024, in Butler, Pa. (Alex Brandon/The Associated Press)

亚历克斯·吉布尼这部长达近四个小时、声色俱厉的纪录片讲述了技术寡头、世界首富埃隆·马斯克的故事,它并不振奋人心。相反,它是自向大部头懵懂的公众发出气候变化将带来迫在眉睫的毁灭的警报以来,最令人压抑和恐惧的公共媒体作品之一。

Alex Gibney's nearly four-hour, fire-and-brimstone documentary — about tech oligarch and the world's richest man Elon Musk — is not uplifting. Instead, it is one of the most depressing and terrifying pieces of public media since alerted a largely unaware public to its imminent annihilation by climate change.

与不同,吉布尼的这部作品似乎并未提供关于我们如何摆脱这种困境的充满希望的最后信息。相反,按照吉布尼的观点,我们看到的是马斯克如何从一个暴发户般的企业家崛起为一个政治新贵,他策划了美国国际开发署的解体,随后又试图建立一个婴儿农场和公社,以在所谓的内战中生存下来。而在这一切发生之前,按照我们的理解,他据称颠覆了整个西方民主制度。

Unlike , Gibney's does not appear to offer a hopeful final message about how we might get out of this mess. Instead, we get an outline of how, in Gibney's view, Musk rose from upstart entrepreneur to political arriviste who orchestrated the dismantling of USAID, then attempted to create a baby farm and commune to survive a supposed civil war. That is all before, we are to believe, he supposedly upended all of Western democracy.

今年9月,在该片在多伦多国际电影节上映前夕接受采访时,吉布尼对这种阴郁的看法并不感到太意外:毕竟,在过去的几天里,他一直在应对来自同样感到不满的马斯克的诽谤诉讼威胁。此前,马斯克还将吉布尼描述为“极左翼的傀儡”、“可怕的人”,以及简单粗暴的“蠢货”。

Sitting for an interview this September ahead of the film's showing at the Toronto International Film Festival, Gibney was not too surprised by the dour perception: he had spent the previous few days fielding defamation lawsuit threats from a similarly unhappy Musk, after all. That is along with Musk's descriptions of Gibney as "a shill for the far left," "horrible human" and, simply, a "douche."

吉布尼也承认了那令人感到不祥的时长:直到他们完成最初的两小时正片后,马斯克才与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普结盟。他表示,正是在那个时候,HBO的高管告诉吉布尼,他们需要扩充这部作品,将其用作“一部更具史诗感的戏剧的基石……对于这样一个对地球未来有着如此巨大影响力的人物来说,这三个小时四十五分钟是当之无愧的。”

Gibney also acknowledged the foreboding length: it was only after they finished their original two-hour feature that Musk allied himself with U.S. President Donald Trump. At that point, he said, HBO executives told Gibney they needed to expand the work, using it as a "building block for a much more epic drama … For this figure, who has so much influence on the future of the planet, it's deserving of that three hours and 45 minutes."

事实证明,这种关系本身就充满了风险。该片将于10月16日在北美院线上映,但在采访时,吉布尼感到十分紧张。鉴于可能面临政治压力,国际版权方环球影城尚未确认是否会在北美以外地区发行该片。

That relationship proved fraught on its own. The film hits North American theatres Oct. 16, but — at the time of the interview — Gibney was nervous. The international rights-holder, Universal, hadn't confirmed whether it would even distribute the film outside North America, given the potential of political pressure.

与此同时,他说,派拉蒙收购HBO母公司华纳——而派拉蒙由对特朗普友好的大卫·埃利森(David Ellison)控制——让他“在脑海深处感到担忧”,担心这部纪录片的流媒体上映可能会彻底流产。

At the same time, he said Paramount's acquisition of HBO parent company Warner — with Paramount controlled by the Trump-friendly David Ellison — had him "concerned in the back of [his] mind" that the documentary's streaming release could be scuppered entirely.

自那次采访以来,吉布尼表示,目前正在讨论国际院线发行计划;该纪录片计划于2027年初在流媒体上线,不过尚未给出具体日期。如果观众最终能看到它,或者说在看到它的时候,他希望反响不要那么黯淡。

Since that interview, Gibney has said international theatrical release plans are now being discussed; the documentary is slated for an early 2027 streaming release, though no specific date has been given. When, or if, audiences do see it, he hopes the reception isn't quite so bleak.

“这不是一场葬礼;这是一个警告。但情况相当黑暗。如果我们不小心的话,我们就要被放低到泥土里去了,”这位导演说道,尽管他也承认自己的电影往往会引发那种绝对无法逃避的恐惧感。“你知道的,而且电影以地球爆炸、马斯克乘飞机制胜逃脱而告终。所以这就是最悲观的结局了。”关于客观性的问题 尽管他在开始这个项目时是一个公开的马斯克粉丝——拥有特斯拉太阳能电池板系统等等——但他表示,当他开始认真制作这部纪录片时,他曾给予拍摄对象的任何信任都已烟消云散。当他联系采访马斯克本人时,他说自己遭到了冷遇。

"It's not a funeral; it's a warning. But things are pretty dark. We're going to be lowered into the earth if we're not careful," the director said, even while recognizing the sheer inescapability of dread his film tends to elicit. "You know, and the film ends with the planet Earth exploding and Musk escaping on his spaceship. So that's about as pessimistic as it gets." A question of objectivity Though he started the project as an avowed Musk fan — a Tesla solar panel system-owner and all — by the time he began working on it in earnest, he says, any benefit of the doubt he had extended to his subject had evaporated. When he reached out to interview Musk himself, he said he was stonewalled.

与马斯克身边之人的接触同样受阻:密切的商业伙伴一概拒绝在没有他许可的情况下开口。应对的变通方法则是转而赋予马斯克自己的声音。

Outreach to those around Musk was similarly stymied: close business associates uniformly refused to speak without his permission. The workaround was to instead give Musk a voice of his own.

一个使用马斯克本人言论的AI化身,为这部纪录片的大部分内容进行了旁白解说。它所说的大量内容——就像现实中的马斯克对吉布尼推出的这篇“抹黑文章”的表态一样——都对纪录片的构架持公开批判态度。

An AI-avatar, using Musk's own statements, narrates much of the documentary. Much of what it says, like the real Musk's statements about the "hit piece" Gibney came out with, is overtly critical of the documentary's framing.

其结果是一幅在某种程度上分化、但绝大多数呈现负面的画像,吉布尼断言,这个人正处于现代政治沦丧的核心。

The result is a somewhat bifurcated, but overwhelmingly negative picture of a man Gibney asserts is at the centre of modern politics' downfall.

记录了马斯克早期作为PayPal和特斯拉自称“创始人”的历史——其中包括从当时报道他的记者到他的前妻贾斯蒂娜·马斯克等人的采访——这些采访将他作为工程师和天才的公众形象定性为不过是公关精心编造的谎言。

There is the charting of Musk's early history as a self-described "founder" at Paypal and Tesla — including interviews ranging from journalists covering him at the time to his former wife, Justine Musk — that characterize his public persona as an engineer and genius as little more than a PR-crafted lie.

吉布尼在分享这部纪录片的核心论点时表示:“现代社会有一种普遍的观念,即如果你很有钱,你一定非常聪明——你一定是个天才。但也许你只是冷酷无情。也许你可以非常富有、非常有权势——而且在某种程度上,精神错乱。”接着是马斯克在政府效率部(DOGE)任职的经历,在吉布尼的叙述中,他扮演了瓦解美国联邦政府的架构师角色。

"There is a kind of generalised notion in modern societies that if you're rich, you must be very smart — you must be a genius," Gibney says, sharing the central thesis of the documentary. "But maybe you're just ruthless. And maybe you can be very rich and very powerful — and also, to some extent, unhinged." And then there is Musk's time at the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and, in Gibney's telling, his role as an architect of the dismantling of the U.S. federal government.

据报道TikTok和X禁止播放关于埃隆·马斯克的纪录片,埃隆·马斯克在备受关注的首映后称关于他的纪录片是“抹黑文章”。该片包含了前“让美国再次伟大”(MAGA)网红阿什利·圣克莱尔的指控,她是马斯克其中一个孩子的母亲,她在片中谈到了在2024年特朗普重新当选美国总统的选举之前,马斯克发给她的神秘短信——这些短信提到了由“太空中一万台激光器”创造的“黑客帝国(Matrix)中的异常现象”。

TikTok, X reportedly barring ads for documentary about Elon Musk Elon Musk calls documentary about him a 'hit piece' after buzzy debut The film includes accusations from former MAGA influencer Ashley St. Clair, the mother to one of Musk's children, who speaks about cryptic text messages Musk sent her ahead of the 2024 U.S. presidential election that saw Trump re-elected — messages that include references to an "anomaly in the Matrix" created by "ten thousand lasers in space."

吉布尼随后问她是否认为这是在指代SpaceX的卫星。她回答说:“我不知道他在别处还有什么激光。”吉布尼说:“我应该指出,关于‘黑客帝国中的异常现象’和太空激光的言论并非来自马斯克的批评者。不是来自我;它们来自埃隆·马斯克本人。”

Gibney then asks her whether she thinks that was a reference to SpaceX satellites. She responds: "I don't know where else he has lasers." "I should point out that the remarks about the 'anomaly in the Matrix' and lasers from space didn't come from a critic of Musk. It didn't come from me; they came from Elon Musk himself," Gibney said.

尽管此前曾向吉布尼的“拼图制作公司”发出一封信,声称这段对话强化了一个已被证伪的阴谋论,即马斯克利用其互联网服务商“星链”干预了摇摆州的投票机。

That is despite a letter sent to Gibney's Jigsaw Productions, claiming the exchange reinforces a disproven conspiracy theory that Musk used his internet provider, Starlink, to interfere with voting machines in swing states.

吉布尼说:“这似乎是放进电影里合情合理的内容。我并没有在电影里说这就是他做的事。我说的是有人这么说过。”同样,在被追问时,吉布尼为在一部批评人工智能支持者的纪录片中加入人工智能生成的虚拟形象这一决定进行了辩护:“我们使用了一些人工智能工具,但它们是由——它们是在人类手部的引导下使用的,”他说。他解释说,这个想法是让它充当一种“煽动者”,通过强迫观众亲眼目睹人工智能,来激起对人工智能扩散的负面反应。

"That seems a legitimate thing to put in a film," Gibney said. "I don't say in the film that's what he did. I say that's been said." Similarly when pressed, Gibney defended the decision of including an AI-generated avatar in a documentary critical of an AI proponent: "We used some AI tools, but they're being used by — they're guided by human hands," he said. He explained that the idea was for it to serve as a sort of "agent provocateur" that foments a negative reaction to AI proliferation by forcing audiences to witness it.

当被问及他是否希望或推测这部电影能够在美国即将到来的中期选举前影响人们的选票时,他给出了一个简单的回答:“我希望。”因为在吉布尼看来,马斯克权力的聚集不仅仅是马斯克个人的失败。他说,当“一个鲁莽的科技亿万富翁实际控制了联邦政府,并试图为个人扩张而摧毁它”时,美国人自身也负有责任。

When asked whether he hopes or theorizes that the film could affect people's votes ahead of the upcoming U.S. midterms, he has a simple response: "I do." Because to Gibney, Musk's accumulation of power isn't just a failure on Musk's part. When "a reckless tech billionaire takes effective control of the federal government, and attempts to destroy it for personal aggrandisement," he says, Americans themselves bear responsibility.

他说:“我们做了。我们让他夺走了权力,因为我们没有要求我们的代表让他承担责任。”

"We did. We let him take it, because we didn't demand that our representatives hold him to account," he said.

他说:“你知道的,‘哦,我喜欢我的特斯拉,所以他一定是个好人。’好吧,你可能喜欢你的特斯拉,但如果他不是个好人呢,对吧?”

"You know, 'Oh, I like my Tesla, so he must be a good guy.' Well, you may like your Tesla, but what if he's not a good guy, right?"