罗兰·莱居尔表示，法国完全有能力整顿好自己的财政状况。“我的意思是，显然我们不需要任何救助资金，也不需要每隔几周就发行新的债务。目前的情况正在好转：虽然利率很高，但这是因为我们的财政赤字太大；因此我们必须降低赤字水平，而我们会通过已经制定的预算来实现这一目标。”
Roland Lescure says France can get its fiscal house in order. >> I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T NEED ANY BAILOUT, YOU KNOW, ISSUING DEBT EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND IT'S GOING WELL. THE RATES ARE HIGH AND THE RATES ARE HIGH BECAUSE OUR DEFICITS ARE HIGH.
“我们正在经历议会层面的讨论，我的职责就是确保明年的财政赤字控制在5%或更低。”
SO WE NEED TO BRING THAT DEFICIT DOWN. AND WE'RE DOING IT WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE TABLED IN.
“不过，我们目前需要偿还的债务以及未来需要承担的债务金额正在不断增加，这可能会引发预算危机……”“不，这并不会引发预算危机。明年的财政赤字目标确实是5%，其中2.9%用于偿还债务利息，这个数字是由市场决定的（当然，前提是利率保持高位。”
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PARLIAMENTARY DISCUSSION. AND MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NEXT YEAR'S DEFICIT IS FIVE OR BELOW. NO MORE. >> RIGHT.
“不过市场显然正在提高法国的债务利率，同时意大利的利率也在上升——因为他们对法国的经济状况感到担忧。正如您所说，只要利率持续处于高位，这种情况就会持续下去。”
BUT THE AMOUNT YOU'RE HAVING TO PAY ON YOUR CURRENT DEBT AND FUTURE DEBT IS RISING. AND THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE A BUDGET CRISIS. >> NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A BUDGET CRISIS. OKAY.
“确实如此。全球范围内都存在债务问题：各国政府正在发行总计约18万亿美元的债务，再加上私人债务，因此市场竞争非常激烈。这就是为什么全球范围内的利率都在上涨。”
THOSE 5% DEFICIT NEXT YEAR, THERE'S 2.9, WHICH IS THE DEBT SERVICE, AND THAT'S GIVEN BY THE MARKET. AS YOU SAID, AS LONG AS RATES ARE HIGH. >> BUT THE MARKET IS CLEARLY RAISING FRENCH RATES. AND ALONG WITH ITALY'S RATES BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED.
“您也提到了这一点：法国并非最强大的经济体之一，因此我们必须坚决执行两周前制定的预算方案（该方案在支出控制方面措施非常严格）。我相信一切都会好起来的。”
YOU KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR. AND HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE BUSINESS, THE BOND VIGILANTES, THE BOND VIGILANTES ARE SENDING A MESSAGE AND THE MESSAGE IS THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH OBVIOUSLY, US DEBT LEVELS, THE US ECONOMY, THE US BUDGET, AND THEREFORE EITHER YOUR OWN OR YOU'RE BEING SWEPT ALONG. >> AS WELL.
但你有个问题。法国因教育问题爆发抗议。你找不到钱来让那些抗议者、那些学生满意，同时又能让债券市场保持愉悦。
WELL, THERE'S A GLOBAL DEBT ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT $18,000 BILLION BEING ISSUED BY GOVERNMENTS. AND THEN THERE'S THE PRIVATE DEBT ALSO.
不，我们可以。这就是关键所在。如果我们现在行动，我们仍然可以行动并确定优先事项。这就是我正在处理养老金问题的原因。你知道，今天我们面临的选择是：全额支付养老金，或者表示我们将在养老金上节省开支，以确保我们能够进行支出。我们不会花费巨额资金，但我们可以花足够的钱来确保孩子们能够返校上学。再说一次，我知道你们在工作。我知道世界是如何运转的。因此，这里有一种想法，认为所有法国学校都在燃烧。事实并非如此。大多数抗议活动都是和平的。我们正在与他们进行对话。他们需要更多教师来替代生病的教师。我们将这么做。
SO THERE'S COMPETITION FROM HYPERSCALERS. SO WE HAVE A GLOBAL ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A GLOBAL REPRICING OF INTEREST RATES ACROSS THE GLOBE. AND YOU SAID IT. WE'RE NOT THE STRONGEST OF THE PACK. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VERY ADAMANT ON THE FACT THAT THAT BUDGET I TABLED IN TWO WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS VERY STRONG ON SPENDING EFFORTS, HAS TO BE ADOPTED. AND I CAN TELL YOU IT WILL BE OKAY. >> BUT YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM. PROTESTS IN FRANCE OVER EDUCATION. YOU CAN'T FIND THE MONEY TO KEEP THOSE PROTESTERS, THOSE STUDENTS, HAPPY AND AT THE SAME TIME KEEP THE BOND MARKET HAPPY. >> NO. WE CAN. THAT'S THE THING. IF WE ACT NOW, WE CAN STILL ACT AND HAVE PRIORITIES. THAT'S WHY I'M ACTING ON PENSIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE CHOICE TODAY BY PAYING PENSIONS FULLY OR SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SAVE ON PENSIONS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN SPEND. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A FORTUNE, BUT WE CAN SPEND ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU GUYS WORK.
但这并不昂贵。在法国，真正昂贵的是医疗和养老金。我们正在努力解决这两个问题，以便明年降低它们。
I KNOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS. SO THERE'S AN IDEA THERE THAT ALL FRENCH SCHOOLS ARE BURNING. THEY'RE NOT. MOST OF THOSE PROTESTS ARE PEACEFUL. WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
你认为选举在什么时候开始推动经济政策，如果尚未开始的话？>> 嗯，显然，选举之后不会。
THEY NEED MORE TEACHERS TO REPLACE THE TEACHERS THAT ARE ILL. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. BUT THIS IS NOT EXPENSIVE. WHAT'S EXPENSIVE IN FRANCE IS HEALTH AND PENSION.
现在因为你要尝试去买选票。>> 我们不是。那就是这件事的美妙之处。我没有参加总统竞选。总统也没有参加总统竞选。你知道。所以所有候选人都不在现任政府里。我们已经把这件事大致分成了两部分。我们在做艰巨的工作。然后无论谁继承它，都必须继承它并付出更多努力。但我们非常专注。我非常专注于接下来的八个月，以确保你知道的，谁接手都能顺利起步。>> 法国的右翼。我的意思是，这个故事已经存在很长时间了。几个选举周期，但由于意大利发生的事情，它就像服用了类固醇一样增强了。然后发生在德国的事情，以及其他地方发生的事情。所以它不再是学术问题了。法国出现一个更极端的右翼政府的可能性很高。那必须是这样。这对你来说是个担忧吗？>> 这是个担忧。我的意思是，我在商界工作了20年，我决定进入政坛是为了对抗极右翼。所以这是个担忧。但一旦你有担忧，当你在行动中时，你就必须行动。所以第一件事是确保我们明年有一个良好的预算，这样我们就不会……你知道的，走错方向。第二件事是告诉人们关于勒庞夫人的真相。今天分裂我们的主要问题是法国应该如何看待世界。乌克兰，他们想停止援助乌克兰。我们不想背叛乌克兰。移民。他们想停止移民。我们有人口炸弹。他们想停止花一些钱在
AND WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH TO REDUCE THEM NEXT YEAR. >> DO YOU THINK THE ELECTION, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT START TO DRIVE ECONOMIC POLICY, IF NOT ALREADY? >> WELL, FROM AFTER THE ELECTION ON OBVIOUSLY NO. >> NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND BUY VOTES. >> NO WE'RE NOT. THAT'S THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE THING. I'M NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW. SO ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE NOT IN THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT. WE'VE KIND OF SPLIT THE THING IN TWO. WE ARE DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING. AND THEN WHOEVER INHERITS IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO INHERIT IT AND MAKE FURTHER EFFORT. BUT WE ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSED. I'M VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER TAKES OFF CAN TAKE OFF. >> THE THE RIGHT IN FRANCE. I MEAN, THIS STORY HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME NOW. SEVERAL ELECTORAL CYCLES, BUT IT'S GOT ONTO STEROIDS BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN ITALY. WHAT THEN HAPPENED IN GERMANY, WHAT'S HAPPENING ELSEWHERE. SO SO IT'S NO LONGER ACADEMIC. THERE'S A HIGH POSSIBILITY OF A OF A FAR FURTHER RIGHT GOVERNMENT IN FRANCE. THAT MUST BE. IS THAT A CONCERN TO YOU? >> IT IS A CONCERN. I MEAN, I WAS IN BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS AND I DECIDED TO RUN IN POLITICS TO FIGHT FAR RIGHT. SO IT IS A CONCERN. BUT ONCE YOU HAVE A CONCERN, WHEN YOU'RE IN ACTION, YOU HAVE TO ACT. SO THE FIRST THING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD BUDGET NEXT YEAR SO THAT WE DON'T GO. YOU KNOW THE WRONG DIRECTION. THE SECOND THING IS TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MADAME LE PEN. THE MAIN ISSUE TODAY THAT'S DIVIDING US IS THE WAY FRANCE SHOULD LOOK AT THE WORLD. UKRAINE, THEY WANT TO STOP HELPING UKRAINE. WE DON'T WANT TO BETRAY UKRAINE. IMMIGRATION. THEY WANT TO STOP IMMIGRATION. WE HAVE A DEMOGRAPHIC BOMB. THEY WANT TO STOP SPENDING SOME MONEY IN