法里德与前加拿大副总理克里斯蒂娅·弗里兰讨论了特朗普政府最近的政策决定，这些决定似乎进一步疏远了基辅。
Fareed speaks with former Canadian deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland about the Trump administration’s recent policy decisions that seem to further alienate Kyiv.
请致电 >> 821 4000。>> 特朗普政府最近达成了一项协议，允许俄罗斯出售柴油燃料。它还威胁要停止向乌克兰提供情报。此外，乌克兰当局报告称，他们对军用版星链的访问受到了限制，而星链对乌克兰的军事行动至关重要。
COME >> 821 4000. >> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS RECENTLY STRUCK A DEAL TO ALLOW RUSSIA TO SELL DIESEL FUEL. IT ALSO THREATENED TO STOP PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE TO UKRAINE. FURTHER, UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES REPORTED RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR ACCESS TO THE MILITARY VERSION OF STARLINK, WHICH IS CRITICAL TO UKRAINE'S MILITARY OPERATIONS.
埃隆·马斯克表示，最终决定权在于唐纳德·特朗普。总统现在是否已经完全背离了乌克兰？接下来我们将采访加拿大前副总理克里斯蒂娅·弗里兰。她于一月份成为总统。泽连斯基的经济发展顾问。您对唐纳德·特朗普所做的事情感到惊讶吗？我的意思是，在某种程度上，他一直在朝着这个方向缓慢前进，几乎是永恒般地。
ELON MUSK SAYS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY ON DOING THAT IS DONALD TRUMP. HAS THE PRESIDENT NOW FULLY TURNED HIS BACK ON UKRAINE? MORE NOW WITH CHRYSTIA FREELAND, CANADA'S FORMER DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER, IN JANUARY. SHE BECAME PRESIDENT. ZELENSKY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR. WERE YOU SURPRISED BY WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE? I MEAN, IN A WAY, HE'S BEEN INCHING TOWARDS THIS REALLY FOREVER.
但现在看来，他实际上已经站在了俄罗斯一边，反对乌克兰。>> 我感到震惊，但我不惊讶，因为从一开始就很清楚，特朗普总统一直站在俄罗斯一边，并且实际上在尽他所能伤害乌克兰。我认为明确表达这一点非常重要，因为有些人，已故参议员林赛·格雷厄姆就是其中之一，他们试图假装，不，不，不，总统真的想帮助乌克兰。
BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE HE IS ESSENTIALLY SIDED WITH RUSSIA AND AGAINST UKRAINE NOW. >> I WAS HORRIFIED, BUT I WASN'T SURPRISED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CLEAR TO ME FROM THE VERY OUTSET THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN ON RUSSIA'S SIDE AND HAS BEEN ACTUALLY DOING WHAT HE CAN TO HARM UKRAINE. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT CLEARLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE, THE LATE SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS ONE OF THEM WHO TRIED TO ACT AS IF, NO, NO, NO, THE PRESIDENT REALLY WANTS TO HELP UKRAINE.
你只是误解了他。他的心在正确的地方。我们看到梅拉尼娅·特朗普，你知道的，她主持这些活动，她想要支持乌克兰被绑架的儿童。但我认为，对美国人来说，首先要直面可怕的现实非常重要——他们的总统正在帮助弗拉基米尔·普京对乌克兰发动刑事战争。请想想这一点，哪怕只是一分钟。>> 你认为这是否源于一种对强人的着迷？
YOU'RE JUST MISUNDERSTANDING HIM. HIS HEART'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE. WE HAVE THE SPECTACLE OF MELANIA TRUMP, YOU KNOW, HOSTING THESE EVENTS WHERE SHE'S WANTING TO SUPPORT UKRAINE'S ABDUCTED CHILDREN. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR AMERICANS, IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, TO REALLY LIVE WITH THE HORRIBLE REALITY THAT THEIR PRESIDENT IS HELPING VLADIMIR PUTIN IN HIS CRIMINAL WAR AGAINST UKRAINE. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. >> AND DO YOU THINK THAT IT DERIVES FROM A KIND OF IDEA OF A FASCINATION WITH THE STRONGMAN?
你认为这是因为特朗普在第一个任期内曾试图勒索泽连斯基，让他调查乔·拜登，而泽连斯基拒绝了？你认为背后的原因是什么？>> 你知道的，法里德，我不是总统的精神分析师。我认为我们应该根据他的行为来评判他。而我们所看到的是一个清晰的模式：他站在独裁者一边，而不是民主国家一边。普京是最好的例子。但还有朝鲜。还有中国。与此同时，民主国家一直在这种总统的压迫下受到打击。
DO YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE TRUMP TRIED TO BLACKMAIL ZELENSKY IN THE FIRST IN HIS FIRST TERM AND GET HIM TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN AND ZELENSKY REFUSED. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEHIND IT? >> YOU KNOW, FAREED, I AM NOT THE PRESIDENT'S PSYCHOANALYST. I THINK WE HAVE TO JUDGE HIM BY HIS ACTIONS. AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A CLEAR PATTERN OF SIDING WITH DICTATORS RATHER THAN SIDING WITH DEMOCRACIES. PUTIN IS THE BEST EXAMPLE. BUT THERE'S ALSO NORTH KOREA. THERE'S ALSO CHINA. AND MEANWHILE, THE DEMOCRACIES GET CONSTANTLY BEATEN UP BY THIS PRESIDENT.
您知道的，对我来说也是一样的，而这是可怕的认识，您不能忽视。
WHAT YOU KNOW, TO ME ALSO, AND THIS IS HORRIBLE TO RECOGNIZE, YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK