加拿大总理马克·卡尼周五在接受德国之声采访时表示，在与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普的艰难谈判中，他和国民已意识到该国过度依赖南方的经济强国。
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney spoke to DW on Friday after talks in Montreal with European Union leaders seeking to hammer out details of a new, closer partnership between Canada and the EU Amid difficult negotiations with US President Donald Trump representing Canada 's biggest trading partner, Carney said that he and his compatriots had come to realize the country was too dependent on the economic powerhouse to the south.
卡尼周五在蒙特利尔与欧盟领导人举行会谈，寻求敲定加拿大与欧盟建立更紧密伙伴关系的细节，会后接受了德国之声采访。
"The lesson we've taken, Canadians as a whole, is we're overdependent on the United States. Too closely connected to the United States.
“我们吸取的教训，作为加拿大人整体而言，是我们过度依赖美国。与美国联系过于紧密。我们需要在国内增强实力，并使与志同道合国家的国际伙伴关系多元化和深化。”卡尼说。
And we need to build our strength here at home and diversify and deepen our partnerships with like-minded countries internationally," Carney said. Canada is too reliant on the United States, Carney tells DW To view this video , and What did Carney say about EU talks and closer ties to the bloc?
欧盟委员会主席乌尔苏拉·冯德莱恩和欧洲理事会主席安东尼奥·科斯塔率领欧盟代表团于周五在蒙特利尔与卡尼及其他加拿大官员举行会谈。
An EU delegation led by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President Antonio Costa held talks with Carney and other Canadian officials in Montreal on Friday.
他们正在讨论欧盟委员会主席冯德莱恩提出的计划，旨在建立她所谓的“准成员资格”——这一地位目前不适用于任何其他国家——尽管德国总理弗里德里希·默茨领导的政府反对创设这一标签。卡尼似乎表示支持这一做法。
They're discussing the plans floated by Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to forge what she called an "associate membership" — a status that does not yet exist for any other country — even as German Chancellor Friedrich Merz's government resists creating this label. Carney seemed to speak in its favor.
“我认为，我们正在做的事情有几点非常清楚，无论使用何种确切术语。冯德莱恩主席使用‘准成员资格’一词。我们也使用‘准成员资格’。”他在蒙特利尔港塔楼对德国之声记者卡塔琳娜·克罗尔说。
"Well, I think the advantage of what we're doing is that a few things are absolutely clear, irrespective of the exact terminology that's used. President von der Leyen uses associated membership. We use associated membership," he told DW's Katharina Kroll at Port of Montreal Tower. "What does that mean?
“这是什么意思？这意味着在不成为欧盟正式成员国的情况下建立最紧密的伙伴关系，因为加拿大在地理上不在欧洲，因此无法加入。”卡尼说。
It means the closest possible partnership without being a full member of the European Union, because Canada is not in Europe geographically and therefore cannot have accession." Carney said.
当被问及是否意在建立一个“排除美国的新跨大西洋集团”时，卡尼表示，这更多是关于使加拿大的其他伙伴关系多元化和深化，而非排除其最大的贸易伙伴。
Carney and EU leaders met at an EU-Canada summit in Montreal this week What scope for EU-Canada cooperation does Carney see? Asked if he was looking to create a "new transatlantic bloc without the US," Carney said it was more about diversifying and deepening Canada's other partnerships than excluding by far its largest trading partner.
“我们都是美国的伙伴，显然是亲密伙伴，也是北约的盟友伙伴。与美国有许多、许多合作机会，”他说。“但在许多情况下，加拿大与欧洲之间的合作将比加中美之间的合作深入得多。”他提到了现有的合作领域，如《全面经济与贸易协定》（CETA），称其为“世界上最成功的自由贸易协定之一”，还指出了研究合作以及“地平线欧洲”计划和“伊拉斯谟+”计划等促进学生交流的项目。
"We're both partners of the United States, obviously close partners, alliance partners in NATO. And there are many, many opportunities for cooperation with the United States," he said. "But in many cases, there'll be much deeper cooperation for Canada between Canada and Europe than Canada and the United States." He mentioned both existing areas of cooperation like the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA), calling it "one of the most successful free trade agreements in the world," and also pointed to research cooperation and programs like Horizon Europe and Erasmus+ enabling student exchanges.
但卡尼也指出了双方可寻求扩大合作的领域，列举了空间技术、人工智能和关键矿产等领域。
But Carney also pointed to areas where the two sides could seek to expand cooperation, naming areas like space technologies, artificial intelligence and critical minerals.
卡尼表示，与冯德莱恩一样，但可能不同于德国的梅尔茨，他使用“准成员”资格一词来描述加拿大寻求的地位。加拿大是否担心谈判会疏远美国或特朗普？
Carney said that, like von der Leyen but possibly unlike Germany's Friedrich Merz, he uses the term associate membership to describe the status Canada seeks Is Canada concerned the talks could alienate the US, or Trump?
尽管他与唐纳德·特朗普的摩擦有据可查——或许最粗俗的例证是特朗普试图单方面重命名安大略湖，或发布AI视频想象自己作为冰球运动员在打斗中殴打卡尼——但卡尼表示，美加关系太过深厚，不会被任何政府、总理或总统脱轨。
Despite his well-documented difficulties with Donald Trump — perhaps most crudely exemplified by Trump's attempts to unilaterally rename Lake Ontario or his posting AI videos imagining him as an ice hockey player beating Carney up in a fight — Carney said US-Canadian ties were too deep to be derailed by any governments or prime ministers or presidents.
“加拿大人和美国人之间的纽带由来已久。非常牢固。其中的很大一部分将得以维持，无论加拿大的政府、美国的政府，还是两者的组合如何，”他说。
"The bonds between Canadians and Americans are longstanding. They're very strong. And big elements of that will be maintained regardless of the government in Canada, the government in the United States, the combination of the two," he said.
被问及应对特朗普的最佳方式时，卡尼表示，就是“要直接、要清晰、要绝对清晰地表明你的底线是什么”。他说，表示尊重很重要，但同时也要继续“把谈判拉回核心议题”。但他表示，与特朗普的紧张关系已表明，有必要实现多元化，并在世界各地寻找加拿大其他最天然的合作伙伴。
Asked about the best way to deal with Trump, Carney said it was "to be direct, to be clear, to be absolutely clear about your bottom lines are." He said it was important to show respect but also to continue to bring "the negotiations back to the core issues." But he said the tensions with Trump had demonstrated the need to diversify and to seek Canada's other most natural partners around the world.
卡尼一直身处与唐纳德·特朗普的艰难贸易谈判之中，后者有时会以只有他才有的方式表达对北方邻国的不满。他承认，无论与欧盟谈判的性质如何，“与美国关系的规模”都将“很难取代”。
Carney has been in the midst of difficult trade talks with Donald Trump, who has at times shown his dissatisfaction with his neighbor to the north as only he can He acknowledged that no matter the nature of the talks with the EU, "the scale of the relationship with the United States" would be "very hard to replace."
被问及是否担心谈判会使他面临特朗普政府进一步加征关税或采取其他惩罚性措施，卡尼说：“我们已经在这种状况下生活了一段时间了。”
Asked if he was concerned that the talks could expose him to further tariffs or other punitive measures from the Trump administration, Carney said, "We've been living with this for some time."
他说：“美国曾有许多对加拿大采取贸易行动的理由。我们的观点是，根据我们的贸易协定，所有这些理由都是站不住脚的。”卡尼表示，关键信息——也是给特朗普白宫的信息——是，与布鲁塞尔的谈判关乎一种“积极的联系”以及“帮助解决全球问题”、应对全球挑战的伙伴关系。“这不是针对谁。这是为了。这是一个积极的举措，”他说。欧盟和加拿大正在走近吗？德国之声记者卡塔里娜·克罗尔在蒙特利尔进行了采访。
"There have been many justifications for trade action against Canada that the United States has had," he said. "Our view is that all of them are unjustified under our trade agreement." Carney said the crucial message, also for the Trump White House, was that the talks with Brussels concerned a "positive association" and partnership "to help solve global problems" and address global challenges. "It's not against somebody. It's for. It's a positive act," he said. Are the EU and Canada moving closer? DW's Katharina Kroll conducted the interview in Montreal.