
前以色列驻美国大使、总理办公室副部长迈克尔·奥伦博士在接受103FM电台采访时,就美国总统唐纳德·特朗普宣布终止对以色列军事援助一事发表了看法。
Dr. Michael Oren, former Israeli ambassador to the United States and deputy minister in the Prime Minister's Office, spoke to 103FM about US President Donald Trump's announcement regarding the termination of American military aid to Israel.
针对该宣布,奥伦表示:“这距离我们与奥巴马签署的谅解备忘录到期还有约两年时间,所以特朗普提前了时间表。他说这是基于内塔尼亚胡总理的建议。”
Addressing the announcement, Oren said: "This is happening about two years before the memorandum of understanding between us and Obama expires, so Trump has moved up the timetable. He said it was based on Prime Minister Netanyahu's recommendation."
据奥伦透露,该决定也与美国的政治氛围有关。“这是竞选活动的一部分。毕竟,对以色列的军事援助已成为一个核心议题,至少在民主党的竞选活动中是这样,”他说。
According to Oren, the decision is also connected to the American political climate." This is part of the election campaign. After all, military aid to Israel has become a central issue, at least in Democratic campaigns," he said.
提到特朗普打算提前结束军事援助,奥伦补充道:“特朗普抛出了这个想法,无论是试探性的‘试飞气球’还是重磅炸弹。尽管如此,我长期以来一直在说,我们需要为援助可能终止这种情况做好准备。”奥伦警告以色列不能指望美国军事援助持续下去奥伦强调,以色列不能假设自己还有十年时间从美国军事援助过渡到战略伙伴关系。“我们谈论得好像还有十年时间从援助转向伙伴关系,但我们没有,因为这不是我们的时间表,而是他们的时间表,”他说。
Referring to Trump's intention to end military assistance ahead of schedule, Oren added: "Trump threw something out there, whether a trial balloon or a bombshell. Nevertheless, I have been saying for a long time that we need to prepare for the possibility of such an end to aid." Oren warns Israel cannot rely on continued US military assistanceOren stressed that Israel cannot assume it has another decade to transition from American military aid to a strategic partnership." We are talking as though we have another ten years to move from aid to partnership, but we do not, because this is not our timetable, it is theirs," he said."

“谁知道民主党会不会控制国会一个议院,甚至两个议院?他们过去曾投票决定终止军事援助,这最终可能导致情报援助和其他形式合作的终止。”
Who knows whether the Democrats will take control of one chamber of Congress, or both? They have already voted in the past to end military aid, and that could eventually lead to the termination of intelligence assistance and other forms of cooperation."
奥伦还强调了以色列对美国的战略重要性,认为削弱以色列军力最终会损害美国利益。“我多年来一直在说,我们是一个犹太国家,而不是瑞典或卢森堡,所以这个立场没有战略逻辑,”他辩称。“美国只有一个盟友愿意与其并肩作战。
Oren also emphasized Israel's strategic importance to the United States, arguing that reducing its military capabilities would ultimately undermine American interests."I have been saying for years that we are a Jewish state, not Sweden or Luxembourg, so there is no strategic logic in this position," he argued." The United States has one ally that is willing to fight shoulder to shoulder with it.
有一个国家通过其技术显著增强了美国的安全能力,且它位于世界上最敏感的地方。“谁会想要削弱那个国家帮助美国、为美国安全作贡献的能力?”他问道。
There is one country that significantly enhances America's security capabilities through its technology, and it is located in the most sensitive place in the world."" Who would want to reduce that country's ability to help the Americans and contribute to US security?" he asked.
关于美国犹太社区与穆斯林社区影响力的对比,奥伦指出了人口结构和政治格局的变化。“在密歇根州这样的关键州,穆斯林人口比犹太人口更多,”他解释道。“此外,纽约州三分之一的犹太人投票给马姆达尼,而美国以色列公共事务委员会(AIPAC)已成为美国每一位政客的靶心。”
American Jewish influence and changing political dynamicsAddressing the influence of American Jewish communities compared with Muslim communities in the United States, Oren pointed to demographic and political changes." The Muslim population in a key state like Michigan is larger than the Jewish population there," he explained." In addition, one-third of Jews in New York voted for Mamdani, and AIPAC is in the crosshairs of every politician in the United States.
这远非华盛顿规模最大、财力最雄厚的游说团体。奥伦对美国可能立即终止军事援助表示惊讶,尤其是在以色列正处于战争之际。“谁会做出像立即停止援助这样具体的事情,尤其是在战争进行中?”他问道。“我能理解一种安排,即特朗普支持内塔尼亚胡,以换取他在中期选举前不发动战争,但用放弃军事援助换取背书的协议?”
It is far from being the largest and wealthiest lobby in Washington." Oren expressed surprise at the possibility of an immediate termination of American military assistance, particularly while Israel is engaged in war." Who does something as concrete as immediately stopping aid, especially in the middle of a war?" he asked."I can understand an arrangement in which Trump supports Netanyahu in exchange for him not launching a war before the midterm elections, but an agreement to give up military aid in exchange for an endorsement?"
他还强调了美国支持在外交层面的重要性,特别是在联合国。“他们也是我们在联合国的政治和外交‘铁穹’,因为下一次如果有人试图通过安理会对以色列实施制裁,谁会投否决票?”他问道。“我多年来一直呼吁结束军事援助,转而将这种援助转化为伙伴关系。”奥伦警告:中国是华盛顿的红线当被问及用中国替代品取代美国军事生产的可能性时,奥伦警告称,此举将触犯美国明确的红线。
He also highlighted the diplomatic importance of American support, particularly at the United Nations." They are also our political and diplomatic Iron Dome at the UN, because who will cast a veto the next time someone tries to impose sanctions on Israel through the Security Council?" he asked."I have been calling for years for an end to military aid in favor of transforming that assistance into a partnership." China is a red line for Washington, Oren warnsAsked about the possibility of replacing American military production with Chinese alternatives, Oren warned that such a move would cross a clear American red line."
“就美国人而言,那是在跨越红线,”他说。“我参加过好几届政府的会议,他们告诉我们:‘要么选我们,要么选中国人。你们不能两边都占。’”奥伦还讨论了他最初反对管辖美国对以军事援助的谅解备忘录(MOU),理由是该协议涉及巨大的机会成本。“我最初反对谅解备忘录的原因之一是机会的丧失,因为存在机会成本,”他解释道。
That is crossing a red line as far as the Americans are concerned," he said."I sat in meetings with several administrations that told us, 'Either us or the Chinese. You cannot have both.'" Oren also discussed his initial opposition to the memorandum of understanding (MOU) governing American military assistance to Israel, arguing that the agreement involved significant opportunity costs." One of the reasons I initially opposed the MOU was the loss of opportunities, because there are opportunity costs," he explained."
“我们无法选择想买的所有东西,因为有些是我们要求过的。”“多年来,我要求采购B-1或B-2轰炸机和‘战斧’巡航导弹,但他们拒绝了,”奥伦说。“另一方面,当我们想向中国出售东西时,却遭到了打压。”
We could not choose everything we wanted to buy, because there were things we requested."" For years, I asked that we purchase B-1 or B-2 bombers and Tomahawk missiles, but they told us no," Oren said." On the other hand, when we wanted to sell something to China, we got slapped down."