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米利班德:奴隶制道歉不会让英国纳税人承担成本Miliband says slavery apology will not bring costs for UK taxpayer

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埃德·米利班德对英国广播公司《新闻播客》表示,就跨大西洋奴隶贸易问题而言,“直面这一问题是正确的”。Ed Miliband tells the BBC's Newscast podcast it is "right to confront this issue" of the transatlantic slavery trade

英国财政大臣埃德·米利班德坚持认为,政府考虑正式为英国在跨大西洋奴隶贸易中的角色道歉,并不会导致英国纳税人承担更高成本。

Secretary Ed Miliband has insisted the government's willingness to consider formally apologising for the the UK's role in the transatlantic slave trade will not lead to higher costs for the British taxpayer.

首相表示,英国不会向受影响国家支付赔偿,但未说明其新做法是否会涉及额外的纳税人资金。

The prime minister has said the UK will not pay reparations to affected countries, but declined to say whether his new approach could involve additional taxpayer money.

在BBC《新闻播报》播客节目中,米利班德指出,过去的英国政府对奴隶制的痛苦和后果持“把它掩盖起来”的态度,并引用他所描述的前首相托尼·布莱尔爵士近二十年前关于此事的“抱歉但并不真诚”的言论。

Speaking on the BBC's Newscast podcast, Miliband said previous British governments had a "sweep it under the carpet" attitude to the pain and consequences of slavery, citing what he described as former Prime Minister Sir Tony Blair's "sorry not sorry" remarks on the issue nearly two decades ago.

2007年,托尼爵士表示,英国参与奴隶贸易是“一件深深的悲痛和遗憾”。

In 2007, Sir Tony said the UK's involvement in the slave trade was a matter of "deep sorrow and regret".

“托尼·布莱尔确实做了一种抱歉但并不真诚的情况。他先表达了悲痛,然后说了抱歉,随后被10号大楼撤回,”米利班德说。

"Tony Blair did sort of do a kind of sorry not sorry situation. He kind of expressed sorrow, and then said sorry, and then it was walked back by number 10," Miliband said.

米利班德表示,前首相的做法仍被提及,并在安迪·伯恩汉姆与巴巴多斯首相米娅·莫特利的最近一次对话中出现。

Miliband said the former prime minister's approach was still referred to and came up in a recent conversation between Andy Burnham and the Prime Minister of Barbados Mia Mottley.

此外,米利班德声称,他和伯恩汉姆继承了更近的混乱,这就是两年前在萨摩亚举行的最后一次英联邦首脑会议(CHOGM)的情形。

In addition, Miliband claimed, he and Burnham inherited a more recent mess, which is how the last Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) played out in Samoa two years ago.

米利班德说:“在我担任外交大臣的第二天,我被告知,‘看,你的任务之一是CHOGM 2024,那次在萨摩亚举行的会议,进展不顺利。’用外交话来说,它最终变成了一场关于整个问题的言辞冲突。”

Miliband said: "On the second day as my time as foreign secretary, I was told, 'look, one of your tasks is CHOGM 2024, which happened in Samoa, didn't go well.' To use sort of diplomatic speak, it ended up in a sort of punch up, a sort of verbal punch up about this whole issue."

他补充道:“这件事在英联邦中确实悬而未决大约二十年,但它一直在增长。”鉴于此,米利班德说,“我们认为有必要正面面对这个问题,而不是试图假装它不存在。”伯恩汉姆现在表示,政府愿意正式为奴隶制道歉。

He added: "This has really been hanging around as an issue for the Commonwealth for sort of 20 years, really. But it's grown and grown." Given that, Miliband said, "we thought it was right to confront this issue and not to just try and sort of pretend that it didn't exist". Burnham now says the government is open to formally apologising for slavery.

部长们开始与受影响国家进行他们所谓的“结构化对话”,预计道歉可能会在首相于2027年11月在曼彻斯特主持二十国集团领导人峰会之际进行。

Ministers are beginning what they call a "structured dialogue" with affected countries, with the expectation that the apology may come at around the time the prime minister hosts the G20 Summit of world leaders in Manchester in November 2027. "Is it weak to do this?

“这样做是软弱吗?我认为恰恰相反。我认为脆弱的软弱国家无法正视自己的过去。我为英国感到非常自豪,但为自己的国家感到自豪,也意味着愿意正视那些你并未做过的事情,对吧?”米利班德说。他说,他已要求提供一份英国参与奴隶贸易的历史摘要。

I think it's the opposite of weak. I think fragile weak countries can't face up to their past. I'm really proud of Britain, but being proud of your country is also being willing to face up to things you didn't do, right?" Miliband said. He said he had asked to be provided with a historical digest of the UK's involvement in the slave trade.

“超过三百万人被运走,实际上是在英国政府的默许下,持续很长一段时间,实际上是几个世纪,其中数十万人未能幸存而死亡,”外交大臣说。

"Over three million people shipped, really with the British state's complicity, over a long period of time, couple of centuries actually, hundreds of thousands of them didn't make it and died," the foreign secretary said.

“幸存下来的人则处于极其恶劣的条件下。阅读关于船上条件以及他们抵达加勒比海和美洲后所遭遇的事情,实在令人心碎。”现在,他和首相开始一项进程,很可能就此事正式道歉,并且,他们希望,为英联邦将注意力转向其他事情创造空间。

"Those who did make it had appalling conditions. Reading about the conditions on the ships and what happened to them when they arrived in the Caribbean and the Americas is really pretty harrowing." Now he and the prime minister begin a process likely to formally apologise for this -and, they hope, create space for the Commonwealth to turn its attention to other things.

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