缅因州民主党参议员候选人特洛伊·杰克逊独家坐下来与达娜·巴什讨论，谈及他击败参议员苏珊·柯林斯的努力、他的全民医保计划、伊朗战争以及更多内容。
Maine Democratic Senate Candidate Troy Jackson sits down exclusively with Dana Bash to discuss his effort to defeat Sen. Susan Collins, his Medicare for All plan, the Iran war, and much more.
选民们正在慎重地做出选择，这场竞选可谓势均力敌。您已经输定了。即便有苏珊·柯林斯的支持，为何还是如此呢？
THAN VOTERS TO CHOOSE HIM THIS IS A NECK AND NECK RACE. YOU ARE DEAD. EVEN WITH SUSAN COLLINS, WHY? >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK BECAUSE SENATOR COLLINS IS A THIRD YEAR INCUMBENT.
嗯，我认为原因在于柯林斯参议员已经连任三年了。她长期与各界人士打交道，还声称自己为缅因州带来了大量资金。虽然我并不认同这种说法，但这确实是现实情况。另外，我只有不到100天的时间来筹备竞选活动、走遍全州并向民众阐述我的主张。目前来看进展还算顺利。不过正如您提到的，缅因州正发生着我从未见过的现象——这一切在我参选之前就已经开始了。全州民众都清楚政府早已陷入财政危机，他们渴望变革。这场竞选的关键其实并不在于我或苏珊·柯林斯，而在于能否打造一个真正为民众服务的政府。可现实是，唐纳德·特朗普让普通民众的生活变得异常艰难，而苏珊·柯林斯对此也难辞其咎。
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SHE'S DEALT WITH PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME. SHE MAKES THE ARGUMENT THAT SHE BRINGS A LOT OF MONEY TO MAINE. UM, YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD LESS THAN 100 DAYS TO CREATE A CAMPAIGN, UH, GET AROUND THE STATE, MAKE MY CASE. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE DOING VERY WELL. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE THING ABOUT THIS, I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING IN MAINE LIKE I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. AND IT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT INTO THIS RACE. UH, PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE KNOW THAT GOVERNMENT IS FUNDAMENTALLY BROKE AND THEY WANT CHANGE, AND THIS RACE IS REALLY COMING DOWN TO THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T ABOUT ME OR SUSAN COLLINS. IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS FOR US. AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS MAKING IT SO DAMN HARD FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
没错。当然，她坚称这场竞选就是她与您的对决，毕竟她资历深厚，也确实为州内带来了资金，要是您当选，这些资金恐怕就会流失。
AND SUSAN COLLINS IS COMPLICIT WITH THAT. >> YEAH. I MEAN, SHE, OF COURSE, ARGUES THAT IT IS ABOUT SUSAN COLLINS AND YOU BECAUSE SHE HAS SUCH SENIORITY. SHE DOES BRING MONEY BACK TO THE STATE.
其实不管怎样这些资金都会流失吧——在我看来民主党将掌控局面，届时她也就无法继续担任委员会主席了。即便她能留任，她为州里带来的那些资金与她所造成的损失相比简直微不足道。缅因州即将失去30亿至50亿美元的医疗补助资金，食品券福利也将被削减——这对本州影响极大。我们州存在严重的粮食安全问题，而农民们也依赖这些食品券来销售农产品。此外，取暖补贴也将被取消。
AND THAT THAT WOULD BE MISSING IF YOU WERE ELECTED. >> WELL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MISSING REGARDLESS, BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TAKE CONTROL AND SHE WON'T BE CHAIR. BUT EVEN STILL, IF SHE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT SUSAN COLLINS HAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE STATE IS A PITTANCE TO WHAT SHE'S, UH, HELPED US LOSE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE 3 TO $5 BILLION IN MEDICAID FUNDING IN MAINE. UH, WE'RE LOSING SNAP BENEFITS, WHICH ARE A BIG DEAL IN THE STATE. WE HAVE A LOT OF FOOD INSECURITY, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, FARMERS DEPEND ON THAT SNAP TO SELL THEIR WARES. UM, WE'RE LOSING THE HEATING ASSISTANCE.
我是说，在一个如此依赖石油的州，呃，我们今年的取暖成本比去年高出80%。这是因为伊朗战争，还有正在进行的贸易问题。这些都是科林斯参议员本可以利用她的拨款委员会主席职务去解决或采取行动的事情。但她不愿意反对唐纳德·特朗普。>> 我想问你一些政策提案，试着把它们具体化。医疗保健。你是“全民医保”的早期支持者之一。
I MEAN, IN A STATE THAT IS SO DEPENDENT ON OIL, UH, OUR HEATING COSTS ARE 80% HIGHER JUST THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE IRAN WAR, WE GOT THE TRADE ISSUES GOING ON. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT SENATOR COLLINS COULD HAVE USED OR DONE SOMETHING ABOUT BECAUSE OF HER CHAIRMANSHIP OF APPROPRIATIONS. BUT SHE'S NOT WILLING TO BACK GO AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOME OF YOUR POLICY PROPOSALS AND JUST KIND OF TRY TO FLESH SOME OUT HEALTH CARE. YOU WERE A REALLY EARLY SUPPORTER OF MEDICARE FOR ALL.
嗯，有些人喜欢自己的私人保险计划。在你的计划下，他们能继续留在私人计划里吗？>> 我想，在选择性手术之类的事情上，是的。但我是说，总体来说，基本医疗保健，“全民医保”应该让每个人都有保险。那……>> 所以将是一个公共计划。
UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE PLANS. WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO STAY ON THOSE PRIVATE PLANS UNDER YOUR. >> I THINK ON ELECTIVE SURGERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. BUT I MEAN, OVERALL BASIC HEALTH CARE, MEDICARE FOR ALL SHOULD HAVE, YOU EVERYONE COVERED. AND THAT. >> SO IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PLAN.
例如，伯尼·桑德斯，我知道你在他竞选总统时为他拉过票。呃，他的计划是在四年内逐步取消私人计划。四年期结束后，就全部是公共医疗了，对吧？>> 所以……>> 是的，我是说，在缅因州我们也看到过，每次我们尝试这样做，就像是每个人都必须加入这个计划。呃，我是说，围绕这个的争议在于，医疗保健行业，大药企，让人们觉得他们得不到同样好的保险，会得到更差的东西。
FOR EXAMPLE, BERNIE SANDERS, WHO I KNOW YOU CAMPAIGNED WITH WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT HERE. UH, HE HIS PLAN WOULD BE TO PHASE OUT PRIVATE PLANS OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD. AND THEN AFTER THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD, IT WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC HEALTH, RIGHT? >> SO. >> YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE IN MAINE TOO, WHENEVER WE TRIED TO DO THIS IS LIKE EVERYONE HAS TO GET INTO THE PLAN. UH, I MEAN, I THINK THE CONTROVERSY OVER THIS IS THAT THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY, BIG PHARMA, HAS MADE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET AS GOOD A COVERAGE. YOU'LL BE GETTING SOMETHING LESS THAN.
但我实际上看到一种情景，这种情况会提供很好的保险。你知道，你会有眼科、耳科、牙科，呃，你知道，你不必支付那些离谱的、呃，共付额之类的东西。>> 你说过，这可以由目前资助美国移民与海关执法局和海外战争的资金来支付。如果粗略估算这些价格，2020年大约是1230亿美元。桑德斯参议员的计划估计成本在30万亿到40万亿美元之间。那么你如何弥补这笔差额？你如何支付这笔费用？>> 好吧，这是总体情况。
BUT I ACTUALLY SEE A SCENARIO WHERE, WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT COVERAGE. YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE EYE EAR, DENTAL, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY THE OBSCENE, UH, CO-PAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YOU HAVE SAID THAT IT COULD BE PAID FOR BY MONEY THAT CURRENTLY FUNDS ICE AMERICA'S WARS ABROAD. IF YOU KIND OF BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ON THOSE PRICES, IT'S ABOUT $123 BILLION IN 2020. SENATOR SANDERS PLAN WAS ESTIMATED TO COST BETWEEN 30 TO $40 TRILLION. SO HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THAT UP? HOW WOULD YOU PAY FOR THIS? >> WELL, THAT'S THE OVERALL.
医疗保健。我的意思是，这不仅仅是我们要带进来的那些新增人员。这也不是我唯一说过的事情。我的意思是，我认为我们需要一个公平的税收制度。我不希望亿万富翁得到减税。我的意思是，我相信我们需要撤销那些减税。我的意思是，我们总有钱花在航空母舰之类的东西上。但一旦你谈到伊朗战争，一旦你开始谈论医疗保健，人们就开始表现得好像这根本无法实现。
HEALTH CARE. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT JUST THE ADDED PEOPLE THAT WE'RE BRINGING THAT WE'D BE BRINGING IN. AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THINGS I SAID THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A FAIR TAXATION SYSTEM. I DON'T WANT BILLIONAIRES GETTING TAX CUTS. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO ROLL THOSE BACK. I MEAN, WE ALWAYS HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT AS SOON AS YOU WARS IN IRAN, AS SOON AS YOU START TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE, PEOPLE START ACTING LIKE THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THIS.
我的意思是，据我所知，我了解的每一个工业化国家都能够负担得起医疗保健。我相当确定我们在这里也能做到。你看过数字了吗？你认为你提议的削减会……嗯，我看过的是。照顾像缅因州这样的州。每当我们对自保进行研究，每当我们在全国范围内进行研究时，每次都表明我们已经在支付这笔费用，这笔费用已经在支付了。
I MEAN, EVERY OTHER COUNTRY THAT I KNOW THAT'S INDUSTRIAL HAS BEEN ABLE TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE. I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN DO IT HERE, TOO. >> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE MATH? YOU THINK THAT THE CUTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WILL. >> WELL, WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT IS. TAKE CARE OF STATES LIKE MAINE. WHENEVER WE'VE DONE STUDIES ON SELF-INSURED AND WHENEVER WE'VE DONE STUDIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, EVERY TIME WE'VE SHOWN THAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THE COST OF THIS, THAT THIS IS ALREADY BEING PAID. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S GOING INTO EXECUTIVE POCKETS. GREED IS RUNNING THIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. AND WHEN WE CUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, THE GREED OUT OF IT, I'M SURE THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT HOME HEATING OIL, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY HIGH HERE IN MAINE.
但不幸的是，这笔钱流进了高管的口袋。贪婪在主导这个医疗保健系统。当我们削减行政负担，剔除贪婪时，我确信我们能够负担得起支付这笔费用。
UM, YOU SAID THAT WE SHOULD JUST GET OUT OF IRAN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? WOULD WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH JUST PULLING OUT OF IRAN? AND WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, WHICH IS STILL OR WOULD BE CERTAINLY CONTROLLED BY IRAN IF THAT HAPPENED, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE OIL PRICES HIGH? >> WELL, OUR OWN CONTROLLED IT BEFORE IN THE OIL PRICES WEREN'T ANYWHERE. >> NEAR IT, DIDN'T IT? IT WAS OPEN.
你谈到了家用取暖油，在缅因州这里价格极高。嗯，你说我们应该尽快撤出伊朗。那将如何运作？你会同意直接撤出伊朗吗？那对霍尔木兹海峡意味着什么，如果那样做，霍尔木兹海峡仍然或肯定会由伊朗控制，这将继续让油价保持高位？嗯，我们自己以前控制过，那时油价根本不在什么地方。
WELL BEFORE THE IRAN WAR. NO IT WASN'T, IT WAS OPEN. >> WELL, IRAN HAD THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY DID BEFORE WE STARTED BOMBING THEM. AND THINGS WERE FINE. I'M SURE THAT IF WE MOVE OUT OF IRAN, THINGS WILL STABILIZE AND PRICES WILL PROBABLY GO DOWN. UH, I MEAN. >> DO YOU THINK IF THE UNITED STATES JUST LEAVES, IRAN WILL SAY, OKAY, FINE, WE'RE GOING TO PULL OUT OF THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ? >> WELL, IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT OUR TROOPS GETTING OUT OF THERE.
靠近那里，不是吗？它是开放的。在伊朗战争之前很久。不，它不是，它是开放的。
UH, YOU KNOW, IN A MANNER THAT THEY'RE SAFE. BUT YEAH, I DO. I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THAT WAR AND HOPEFULLY PRICES WILL STABILIZE.
嗯，伊朗在我们开始轰炸他们之前就有能力做他们之前做的事。事情一直很好。我确信，如果我们撤出伊朗，事情会稳定下来，油价可能会下降。呃，我的意思是。
I MEAN, THEY ROSE BECAUSE WE GOT INTO IT. >> I MEAN, THE, THE SITUATION IS, IS CHALLENGING. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT THERE. >> ARE WASN'T BEFORE DONALD TRUMP. >> IT WASN'T IT WASN'T. BUT NOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
“你们觉得，如果美国就此离开，伊朗会说，‘好吧，没问题，我们要退出霍尔木兹海峡’吗？”
AND THERE ARE THERE ARE BLOCKADES AND OTHER WAYS THAT THE US BEING THERE IS AT LEAST LETTING SOME SHIPS THROUGH.
“嗯，这比我们现在做的要好得多。而且我肯定认为，呃，你知道，我们需要确保我们的部队安全撤离那里。呃，你知道，以一种安全的方式撤离。但是，是的，我这么认为。我认为我们需要退出那场战争，希望价格能够稳定下来。我的意思是，价格上涨是因为我们卷入了这场战争。”
AND IF THE US LEAVES, WHY WOULD IRAN JUST PULL UP STAKES AND SAY, OKAY, FINE, WE CAN JUST WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. >> I'M SURE WE CAN NEGOTIATE. UH, SOMETHING THAT HAS US LEAVE.
“我的意思是，局势，局势是具有挑战性的。毫无疑问。但是，那里……在唐纳德·特朗普之前并不是这样的。”
UH, THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, UH, WITHOUT LOSING ANY MORE SHIPS, GOING BACK TO A SITUATION WHERE WE USED TO BE. I MEAN, PRESIDENT OBAMA NEGOTIATED A DEAL WHERE WE WEREN'T.
“确实不是。但现在我们身处其中。而且，美国的存在至少让一些船只得以通过，存在封锁和其他方式。如果美国离开，伊朗为什么就要收拾行囊说，‘好吧，没问题，我们可以让它保持开放’？”
THEY WEREN'T ENRICHING URANIUM. WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES. UH, DONALD TRUMP TORE IT UP, AND NOW WE'RE IN THE MESS THAT WE'RE IN.
“我确信我们可以谈判。呃，某种让美国离开的方式。呃，霍尔木兹海峡，呃，不再损失更多船只，回到我们过去所处的局面。我的意思是，奥巴马总统谈判达成了一项协议，当时他们没有浓缩铀，我们也没有这些问题。呃，唐纳德·特朗普撕毁了协议，现在我们陷入了现在的困境。呃，因为他想玩战争游戏。我确信我们有办法与他们谈判，恢复此前的某种局面，并稳定油价。”
UH, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PLAY WAR GAMES. I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO GET BACK SOME SEMBLANCE OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THIS AND GET OIL PRICES STABILIZED. >> THIS WEEK. THERE WAS A PROTESTER IN THE DEBATE THAT YOU HAD WITH SUSAN COLLINS.
“本周，在你与苏珊·柯林斯的辩论中，有一名抗议者。她回答说，这一定是特洛伊·杰克逊的支持者。你对参议员说，‘闭嘴。’你后悔说这句话吗？”
SHE RESPONDED BY SAYING, THIS MUST BE A TROY JACKSON SUPPORTER. AND YOU TOLD THE SENATOR, SHUT UP. DO YOU REGRET SAYING THAT?
呃，不。呃，你知道，她说那是特洛伊的支持者。我是说，她指责我是安排这件事的人。呃，我根本不知道那是谁。我是说，他从那里跳出来的时候我很惊讶。嗯，你知道，我和柯林斯参议员辩论过四次。我，呃，每次事后都和她握过手。呃，但我不打算让他，呃，你知道，被柯林斯参议员居高临下地对待，我不打算，呃，你知道，被指控做这种事。
UH, NO. UH, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID THAT IT WAS TROY SUPPORTER. I MEAN, SHE ACCUSED ME OF SETTING THAT UP. UH, I HAD NO IDEA WHO IT WAS. I MEAN, I WAS SURPRISED WHENEVER HE JUMPED UP OUT OF THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD FOUR DEBATES WITH SENATOR COLLINS. I'VE, UH, SHOOK HER HAND AFTERWARDS EVERY TIME. UH, BUT WHEN I'M NOT GOING TO BE HIS, UH, YOU KNOW, TALK DOWN TO BY SENATOR COLLINS, I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE ACCUSED OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
我是说，我是在为缅因州人而战。呃，而且，你知道，我是说，我只是觉得那是另一种情况，她在居高临下地对我说话，嗯，你知道，所以我不，我不打算为此道歉。现在。
I MEAN, I'M FIGHTING FOR MAINERS. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE SHE WAS TALKING DOWN TO ME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
一些共和党人说，你在州议会任职期间，有女性议员称你，嗯，我不知道是不是居高临下地对她们说话，但你的语气有点咄咄逼人，而这是另一个例子。
NOW. >> SOME REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING THAT THERE WERE STORIES WHEN YOU WERE IN THE LEGISLATURE OF WOMEN WHO WERE THERE, WHO SAID THAT YOU WERE, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TALKING DOWN TO THEM, BUT YOU WERE SORT OF AGGRESSIVE IN YOUR TONE AND THAT THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT. >> SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY, MAKING UNTRUE CLAIMS, THINGS THAT THEY HAD TO TAKE OFF THE AIR.
一些共和党人花费数百万美元攻击我和我的家人，提出不实指控，有些东西他们不得不从电视上撤下。嗯，所以一些共和党人会提出任何指控，这并不让我感到惊讶。
UM, AND SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT SOME REPUBLICANS WOULD BE MAKING ANY CLAIMS. >> SO, SO AGAIN, THE SHUT UP THING, YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS IS.
所以，再说一遍，那个“闭嘴”的事，你打算就这样处理吗。不道歉。是的。我们应该了解你什么，而我们目前还不知道。
NO APOLOGIES. >> YEAH. >> WHAT SHOULD WE KNOW ABOUT YOU THAT WE DON'T. >> WELL, I HAVE AN INTENSE DESIRE TO DELIVER FOR PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT.
嗯，我对为我关心的人服务有着强烈的渴望。过去20年来，我一直在这样做，你知道，为人们服务，你知道，全民学校供餐、托儿服务，呃，处方药，你知道，努力让医疗保健更好。我曾与大药企对抗。呃，你知道，我，我确实，我为那些需要有人支持的人而战。我认为，目前在美国参议院，呃，至少在缅因州，没有人站在普通人的一边。这绝对是我要去那里的目的，就是要确保，你知道，我们确实有一个全民医保制度，不管我们如何为其买单。
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, DELIVERING FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSAL SCHOOL MEALS, CHILD CARE, UH, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE HEALTH CARE BETTER. I'VE GONE UP AGAINST BIG PHARMA. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DO, I FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED SOMEONE IN THEIR CORNER. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IN THE US SENATE, UH, AT LEAST IN MAINE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN EVERYDAY PEOPLE'S CORNERS. AND THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT I'M GOING THERE FOR, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A MEDICARE FOR ALL SYSTEM, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE PAY FOR IT.
呃，就是普通人能拥有健康保险，晚上不必躺着想着胸口发生了什么。同时，还要想着怎么付钱。我是说，这些是我经常考虑的事情。我是说，眼下的燃料账单。我是说，我11、12岁的时候就知道怎么给暖气炉放气了，因为我们经常没油。我是说，我知道晚上躺在那里，想着暖气炉下次会不会不再启动，是什么感觉。而且，你知道，我认为孩子们不应该为这些事情担心。
UH, THAT EVERYDAY PEOPLE CAN HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO LAY AT NIGHT WONDERING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR CHEST. AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WONDERING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I CONSIDER A LOT. I MEAN, A FUEL BILLS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I ENDED UP KNOWING HOW TO BLEED A FURNACE WHEN I WAS LIKE 11, 12 YEARS OLD BECAUSE WE RAN OUT OF OIL SO OFTEN. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LAY THERE AT NIGHT AND WONDER IF THE OIL FURNACE IS GOING TO GO OFF THE NEXT TIME OR NOT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN I THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK KIDS SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.