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文字记录:特朗普民调跌至残酷低点,MAGA内部相互指责爆发Transcript: Trump Hits Brutal Poll Low—and MAGA Finger-Pointing Erupts

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以下是《每日爆料》播客10月20日节目的经轻微编辑的文字记录。请在此收听。

The following is a lightly edited transcript of the October 20 episode of the Daily Blast podcast. Listen to it here.

格雷格·桑杰特:这里是《新共和》杂志出品、DSR网络制作并呈现的《每日爆料》。我是主持人格雷格·桑杰特。

Greg Sargent: This is The Daily Blast from The New Republic, produced and presented by the DSR Network. I’m your host, Greg Sargent.

在国会控制权争夺战中,我们有大量新进展。新民调显示唐纳德·特朗普支持率暴跌,民主党领先优势扩大。共和党泄露出的恐慌情绪让总统更加难堪。特朗普阵营对这一切的反应方式,让一些共和党人称之为震惊。

We’ve got tons of new developments in the battle for Congress. New polls show Donald Trump cratering and the Democratic lead growing. The GOP leaks of panic are growing more humiliating for the president. And Trumpworld is responding to all this in a way that some Republicans call shocking.

我们认为所有迹象表明,特朗普及其助手已在筹划将大败归咎于除他以外的所有人,我们认为这对国家未来走向不利。所以我们希望民主党别让他们得逞。

We think all signs are that Trump and his aides are already planning to blame a big loss on everyone but him, and we think that would be bad for the country in terms of what’s coming next. So we hope Democrats won’t let them get away with that.

今天我们邀请到麦迪逊·安德鲁斯,她是民主党众议院竞选委员会负责众议院选战的高级主管,将与我们谈论这一切。她还将分享一些新民调。麦迪逊,欢迎做客。麦迪逊·安德鲁斯:谢谢你的邀请,格雷格。很高兴再次做客。

We’re talking about all of it with Madison Andrus, a senior operative overseeing House races for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. She’s got some new polling to share as well. Madison, thanks for coming on. Madison Andrus: Thanks for having me Greg. It’s really great to be back on again.

桑杰特:嗯,《华盛顿邮报》新民调显示,特朗普支持率跌至历史新低的33%,不支持率为66%。该报民调显示,民主党在普选对决中领先8个百分点,为52%对44%。新的NBC民调显示,特朗普支持率为34%,民主党在普选对决中领先10个百分点,为55%对45%。

Sargent: Well, the new Washington Post poll has Trump’s approval at a record low of 33 percent, with 66 percent disapproving. The Post has Democrats leading in the generic ballot matchup by eight points, 52 to 44. The new NBC poll finds Trump’s approval at 34 percent and Democrats leading in the generic matchup by 10 points, 55 to 45.

麦迪逊,显然特朗普支持率现已跌入30%出头,民主党在普选对决中的领先优势在扩大。你认为民主党目前在普选对决中领先10个百分点吗?

Madison, it’s clear that Trump’s approval is now dropping into the low 30s, and the Democratic lead in the generic ballot matchup is growing. Do you think Democrats are up by 10 points in the generic matchup right now?

安德鲁斯:我们看到,在全国各地特朗普领先10个百分点的选区里,民主党人要么领先,要么完全处于可反超的范围内。你看北卡罗来纳州,杰米·艾格竞选活动组织得非常出色,候选人很优秀,扎根社区,而且是在一个特朗普领先10个百分点的选区。我们对那里的胜算感到非常有信心。

Andrus: We are seeing in Trump plus 10 districts all across the country that Democrats are either leading or well within striking distance. You know, looking over to North Carolina with Jamie Ager just an incredibly well-run campaign with a great candidate who’s a part of his community, and in a Trump plus 10 district. And we are feeling really good and confident about our odds there.

所以我认为,全国有很多选区,我们关注已经有几个月,甚至几年了。人们曾觉得我们疯了,竟然要进军这些传统的红色地区、红色选区。现在距离大选只剩几周,我们看到这真的奏效了。

And so I think that there are a lot of districts all across the country, you know, that we’ve had on our map for months and months, if not years. And people thought we were crazy to kind of be going into these traditionally red areas and red districts. And now we are just a couple of weeks away from the election, and we see that it’s really paying off.

萨金特:我想回到这个话题,但先说说北卡罗来纳州第11选区的杰米·艾格。这是我密切关注的选区之一。它在北卡罗来纳州西部,最西端。

Sargent: I want to come back to that, but let’s talk about Jamie Ager in North Carolina’s 11th district for a second. It’s one of the ones I’m really watching closely. This is in western North Carolina, the western tip.

它位于阿巴拉契亚地区。这是实打实的特朗普铁票仓。虽然有阿什维尔市,但大片地区非常农村。正如我所说,阿巴拉契亚,特朗普地盘。你们真觉得能赢这里?

It’s in Appalachia. This is really heavy-duty Trump country. It does have Asheville, but it’s very rural in a lot of stretches. And like I say, Appalachia, Trump country. This is a place where you guys really think you’re going to win.

安德鲁斯:是的,我们对北卡罗来纳州西部的形势感到非常好。就在几天前,杰米·艾格在北卡罗来纳州第11选区举办了一场大型、超大型集会。超过3000人前来聆听杰米·艾格演讲。

Andrus: Yeah, we feel very good about what is happening in western North Carolina. Just a couple of days ago, there was a huge, huge rally that Jamie Ager put on in North Carolina 11. Over 3,000 people came out to see and hear from Jamie Ager.

万斯今天其实就在那个选区,从我看到的照片判断,他勉强只凑齐了30人来听他讲话。

JD Vance is actually in that district today, and judging from the photos that I saw, he could barely pull together 30 people to come and see him.

萨金特:他们派万斯去北卡罗来纳州第11选区,这相当引人注目。

Sargent: Well, that’s pretty striking that they’re sending JD Vance to North Carolina’s 11th district.

我们来谈谈这些共和党内部泄露的消息。现在简直离谱。共和党向《政治新闻网》泄露称,内部民调显示众议院选战出现新一轮恐慌。越来越多的共和党人直接怪罪特朗普导致这种局面。

Let’s talk about some of these Republican leaks. They’re really off the charts now. Republicans leaked to Politico that there’s a new level of panic over their internal polling in the House races. A growing number of Republicans blame Trump directly for this situation.

一位众议院共和党人指责共和党领导层行动太慢,未能及时向如今岌岌可危的安全选区输送增援。这位共和党人表示:“全国共和党国会委员会(NRCC)的领导层生活在泡沫里。我们在这儿被打得落花流水。”全国共和党国会委员会(NRCC)是全国民主党国会委员会(DCCC)的对应机构,供不了解的人参考。

And one House Republican blames GOP leaders for being too slow to deliver reinforcements to safer seats that are now at risk. This Republican says: “The leadership at the NRCC is living in a bubble. We’re getting killed out here.”The NRCC is, for folks who don’t know, the counterpart to the DCCC.

麦迪逊,这很有意思。这些安全选区是否出现了突然恶化?如果有,能否举几个你看到这种情况的例子?

Madison, that strikes me as interesting. Has there been, like, a sudden deterioration in these safer seats? Can you give us a few examples of where you’re seeing that, if you are?

安德鲁斯:我不认为这是突然恶化。感觉共和党只是终于睁开眼,看到了全国民众的真实感受。他们在本周期伊始就大幅削减医疗补助(Medicaid),削减额近万亿美元。他们在削减食品援助福利,支持这场针对伊朗的战争。

Andrus: I don’t think that this is a sudden deterioration. It feels like Republicans have just finally opened their eyes to what folks all across the country are feeling. They started out this cycle by gutting Medicaid, by nearly a trillion dollars cutting Medicaid. They are cutting food assistance benefits, they’re backing this war in Iran.

全美汽油价格上涨,柴油价格在许多地区突破6美元。你知道,这是美国劳动家庭一年多来面临的现实。这不是突然的转变。只是感觉到当他们真正面临选举时,终于醒悟过来了,但为时已晚。

Gas prices are up all over the country, diesel fuel hitting over $6 in many parts. You know, this is the reality that working families in America have been facing for over a year now. This is not a sudden shift. It just feels like finally, when they are actually staring down their election, they’re finally waking up, and it’s just too late.

萨金特:那些处于外围层级的选区情况如何?我的意思是,这些地方可能原本完全不在人们的关注视野内,但随着特朗普持续恶化,突然之间这些外围地区变得有竞争力了。能谈谈这类地方的几个例子吗?

Sargent: What are some of these districts that are really on the outer tiers looking like? I mean, these are places maybe where they haven’t really been on people’s radar at all, but now that Trump is just continually deteriorating the way he is, all of a sudden these outer-tier places are within play. Can you talk about a few places like that?

安德鲁斯:是的,我们提到了北卡罗来纳州第11选区,但在许多其他地方也看到这种情况。把话题拉回得克萨斯州,在得克萨斯州第15选区,鲍比·普利多对阵莫妮卡·德拉克鲁斯——大家已经谈论鲍比·普利多一段时间了,但人们一直在质疑民主党人能否在特朗普以相当大优势获胜的选区获胜。

Andrus: Yeah, we talked about North Carolina 11, but we’re seeing it in so many other places. Kind of bringing us back down to Texas, in Texas 15 with Bobby Pulido against Monica De La Cruz—everybody’s been really talking about Bobby Pulido for a while, but folks were really questioning if a Democrat could win in this district that Trump won by a fairly large margin.

在过去两周里,我们看到的情况绝对证明他能做到。就连莫妮卡自己也清楚这一点。就在几天前迈克·约翰逊到场时,莫妮卡还在恳求人们不要相信民调,因为就连他们自己的内部数字也糟糕透顶。

And what we’ve seen in the last two weeks is, absolutely he can. And even Monica knows this. When Mike Johnson was there just a couple of days ago, Monica was begging people not to believe the polls, because even their numbers are that bad for them.

我们在佛罗里达州第25选区看到,贾里德·莫斯科维茨对阵斯科特·辛格,共和党被迫向一个本应轻松拿下的选区投入数千万美元。因此我认为,我们清楚地看到,这些选区划分操纵的尝试已经适得其反。随着选举日的临近,我们看到共和党在这些选区的胜算正在彻底崩塌。

We’re seeing over in Florida 25 with Jared Moskowitz against Scott Singer, Republicans are having to dump tens of millions of dollars into a district that was supposed to be an easy pickup for them. And so I think what we’ve clearly seen is that these gerrymandering attempts have backfired. And as we get closer and closer to Election Day, we are just seeing Republican chances in these districts absolutely crater.

萨金特:还有一个涉及资金的事态发展。一名共和党操盘手告诉《政治新闻网》:“世上没人预料到参议院会需要这么多钱。原本预计大多流向众议院的这些资金,现在因为他们搞砸得太厉害,全都浪费在参议院身上了。”麦迪森,事情就摆在这儿了。众议院共和党人指责参议院同僚过度自信,吞噬了他们想要的资源。但我搞不懂的是,或许你能解释一下,把候选人自己的竞选资金和全国性团体的支出加在一起,众议院共和党人目前不是在支出上超过众议院民主党人吗?那边到底是什么情况?

Sargent: Well, there’s another development involving money. One Republican operative tells Politico this: “No one in the world expected that the Senate would need as much money as they did. All of this money that was expected to go to the House for the most part is now being wasted on the Senate because they fucked up so bad.”So Madison, there you have it. House Republicans blaming Senate counterparts for overconfidence and sucking up the resources they want. But what I don’t get about this, and maybe you can shed light here, is, aren’t House Republicans currently outspending House Democrats right now, when you put together the candidates’ war chests with the national group spending? What’s the situation there?

安德鲁斯:听着,毫无疑问,到处都有大量资金在流动。这整个周期以来,人们对共和党的评价基本都是:他们拥有庞大的竞选资金库,手握海量资金。

Andrus: Look, there’s no doubt that there is a ton of money flying around everywhere. And that was what people had said about Republicans pretty much this entire cycle, is that they’ve got this huge war chest and they’ve got all this money.

而在过去几周我们看到的是,有几样东西光靠钱买不来。我们看到选举就是其中之一,尤其是当民众在经济上处境如此艰难时。他们投入再多钱,也无法改变实地的实际情况。

And what we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks is that, you know, there’s a few things that money can’t fully buy. And we’re seeing that elections are one of them, when people are in just such a rough spot economically. Any money that they are pouring in is not actually changing the fact of the matter on the ground.

萨金特:没错。不过我要说,我确实感觉到民主党人对资金问题有些焦虑。我听到的民主党人的说法是,共和党现在花费巨大,比如埃隆·马斯克的数百万美元,MAGA公司的数百万美元。他们觉得这简直是前所未有的领域,没人对所有这些支出的结果有信心,因为金额实在太疯狂了。这种担心不合理吗?

Sargent: Right. Although I will say, I pick up some angst from Democrats about the money. What I tend to hear from Democrats is that Republicans are spending so much now, like with Elon Musk’s millions, MAGA Inc.’s millions. They kind of say this is really uncharted territory, like no one feels confident about what the results will be of all the spending, because it’s just such a crazy amount. Is that an unreasonable fear?

安德鲁斯:是的,我们绝不掉以轻心。最近我们刚给捐赠者发了一份备忘录,表示我们要确保拥有战斗所需的资源,特别是在一些外围选区,比如佛罗里达州第7选区和北卡罗来纳州第9选区。

Andrus: Yeah, I mean, we are not taking any of this for granted. Very recently we sent out a memo to donors saying that we wanted to make sure that we had the resources needed to fight, especially in kind of some of these outer districts, like in Florida 7 and in North Carolina 9.

所以距离大选还有15天。我们仍在筹集资金,以确保让我们所有的候选人、所有的现任议员在11月大选中处于最有利的位置。

And so we are still, you know, 15 days out from the election. We are still raising money to make sure that we are putting all of our candidates, all of our incumbents, in the best spot possible for November.

萨金特:还有一件同样引人注目的事。特朗普的超级政治行动委员会官员现在告诉《政治新闻网》,他们无法真正帮助陷入困境的共和党现任议员和候选人。

Sargent: So here’s something else that’s remarkable as well. Trump’s super PAC officials are now telling Politico that they can’t really help embattled Republican incumbents and candidates all that much.

这些官员告诉共和党候选人,靠他们自己以积极信息收尾,告诉选民一旦当选将为选民带来什么。据《政治新闻网》报道,这让共和党人感到震惊。所以麦迪逊,令人惊讶的是,特朗普世界就这样甩手不管了。

These officials are telling the Republican candidates that it’s on them to close on a positive message and tell voters what they will deliver to voters once they’re in office. This has left Republicans shocked, according to Politico. So Madison, I mean, what’s surprising about this is how Trumpworld is just kind of washing its hands of the situation.

安德鲁斯:他们两年来兑现不了承诺。正如我提到的,汽油价格上涨,医疗成本上涨,医疗补助削减让全国各地的农村医院陷入危机。他们没有关于将兑现什么的信息,因为从这个国会第一天起,就是一连串的背信弃义。

Andrus: They have not delivered in two years. As I mentioned, gas prices are up, the cost of health care is up, the Medicaid cuts endangered rural hospitals all over the country. They have no message on what they are going to deliver, because it has been a string of broken promises from day one with this Congress.

萨金特:共和党内部泄露的信息越来越多,他们完全准备把责任推给特朗普。一位参与多场竞选的共和党操盘手告诉《政治报》:“他一直心不在焉,不关注选民关心的事。这简直疯了。”这确实是一个相当显著的事态发展,我真不知道近代史上有什么类似的先例——特朗普就那样置身事外,谈论舞厅,谈论他的面子工程,谈论他在国会山下一步要做什么,谈论他正在搞的高尔夫球场,同时还声称物价高涨是骗局,诸如此类。

Sargent: Well, there’s more leaking coming from Republicans who are absolutely prepared to blame Trump. One GOP operative working on many races tells Politico: “He’s constantly been distracted and not focused on what the voters care about. It’s insane.”That is really sort of a remarkable development that I don’t really know what might be a parallel in recent history—the degree to which Trump is just sort of out there, you know, talking about the ballroom, talking about his vanity projects, talking about what he’s doing next in the Capitol, a golf course now that he’s doing, and at the same time saying affordability’s a hoax and so forth.

但在我看来,这些共和党人(无论是现任议员还是候选人)所处的局面,完全是由特朗普议程的失败所决定的,而这正是民众最关心的问题。对吧?

But it sure looks to me like the situation that these Republicans are in, incumbents and candidates alike, is dictated wholly by the failures of Trump’s agenda, and that that’s just front and center in people’s minds. Right?

就像,也许他们不会日日夜夜紧盯着特朗普的疯狂言行,但他们非常清楚特朗普掌权在握,特朗普要为他们日常生活中的处境负责。你是否非常清楚地看到了这一点?

Like, so maybe they don’t pay close attention to Trump’s craziness day in and day out, but they are keenly aware that Trump is in charge, and that Trump is responsible for the situation in their daily lives. Is that something you see very clearly?

安德鲁斯:这绝对是我们在一线看到的情况,选民正在追究众议院共和党人的责任,因为他们共同推行了这一灾难性的议程,导致全方位成本上升。

Andrus: That’s definitely something we’re seeing on the ground, is that voters are holding House Republicans responsible for co-g this disastrous agenda that is just leading to higher costs across the board.

杂货店价格更高了,加油站价格更高了,看病价格更高了。民众确实在为这一议程的失败追究共和党人的责任。

It’s higher prices at the grocery store, higher prices at the gas station, higher prices at the doctor’s office. And folks are really holding Republicans accountable for these failures of that agenda.

萨金特:所以你有一些新的内部民调要分享。这是在得克萨斯州第28选区,民主党籍现任众议员亨利·库亚尔是现任议员。新的民主党众议院竞选委员会民调显示,库亚尔以54比34领先共和党挑战者塔诺·蒂赫里纳。

Sargent: So you have some new internal polling to share. This is in Texas’s 28th district, where Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar is the incumbent. The new DCCC poll has Cuellar up by 54 to 34 over Republican challenger Tano Tijerina.

民调显示,特朗普的支持率为34%,反对率为57%。在一个特朗普2024年大选时以超过10个百分点优势赢下的选区,他的净支持率低23个百分点。麦迪逊,你的调查结果也是这样吗?你能解释一下为什么认为这很重要吗?

The poll has Trump’s approval at 34 percent to 57 percent disapproving. That’s 23 points underwater in a district that Trump carried in 2024 by over 10 points. Madison, is that what you found? And can you explain why you see it as significant?

安德鲁斯:是的,这些是我们在南德克萨斯州看到的一些真正令人震惊且令人印象深刻的数字。有趣的是,我们其实已经听了几个月,说共和党内部民调显示他们的数字同样糟糕透顶。

Andrus: Yeah, these are just some really shocking and impressive numbers that we are seeing coming out of South Texas. And what’s interesting about this is that we’ve actually been hearing for months that Republican internal polling was showing some pretty equally horrendous numbers for them.

把这些情况综合起来,看到我们最新掌握的这些数字,知道共和党方面看到的情况也大同小异,共和党为何退出这场竞选、决定不再为塔诺·蒂赫里纳对阵亨利·奎亚尔的竞选提供资金,也就毫不奇怪了,因为那纯粹是把钱扔进水里。

And putting all of this together and seeing these new numbers that we have, knowing that Republicans were seeing some pretty similar things, it really comes as no surprise why Republicans pulled out of this race and decided that they were no longer going to be funding Tano Tijerina’s campaign against Henry Cuellar, because they were just going to be flushing money down the toilet.

萨金特:是的,事实上,我们应该澄清一下,国会领导基金——这是众议院竞选中主要的共和党超级政治行动委员会——最近撤回了对这场特定竞选的资助,正如《Punchbowl News》所报道的那样。

Sargent: Yeah, in fact, we should clarify that the Congressional Leadership Fund, which is, like, the leading Republican super PAC in the House races, recently pulled its funding, as Punchbowl News reported—pulled its funding out of this particular race.

这原本是共和党眼中的一块宝地,对吧?他们重新划分了德克萨斯州的选区。他们全力瞄准亨利·奎亚尔的选区,对吧?所以这真实反映了局势发生了多大的变化。你能谈谈这个吗?

This is a place that was a prize for Republicans, right? Like, they redrew Texas. They were aiming for Henry Cuellar’s district big time, right? And so that’s a real sign of how much stuff has shifted. Can you talk about that?

安德鲁斯:是的。一开始,他们称塔诺·蒂赫里纳为他们的明星招募对象。他是他们在南德克萨斯州扶持的最优秀的候选人。从“这是我们的宝贝招募对象”到抽走数百万美元资助,我认为这正好说明共和党彻底失败了,同时也说明亨利·奎亚尔是多么强有力的候选人,以及他是多么强有力的代表。

Andrus: Yeah. At the beginning of all of this, they were calling Tano Tijerina their star recruit. He was the best of the best that they had, that they were propping up in South Texas. And to just go from, this is our prized recruit, to pulling millions of dollars away from him—I think it goes to show exactly how much Republicans have failed, but also just how strong of a candidate Henry Cuellar is, and how strong of a representative he is.

他为选区争取回了数十亿美元资金。他在民主党谈论移民议题的方式上发挥了领导作用。而且他是整个南德克萨斯地区最知名的人物之一。

He has brought billions of dollars back to his district. He’s been a leader on how Democrats are talking about immigration. And he’s one of the most well-known people in all of South Texas.

因此我认为我们才刚刚开始看到,第一,共和党曾妄想真正挑战他的幻想正在破灭,但也看到了这个得克萨斯州的“哑巴式杰利蝾螈选区划分”。就像您说的,共和党划定这些选区、重新划分这些南德克萨斯选区,是为了试图翻转这些席位。而这是他们重点攻击的目标之一,我们已经在那里看到了彻头彻尾的失败。

And so I think we are just starting to see, one, the pipe dream that Republicans were ever really going to take him on fall apart, but also this Texas dummymander. Like you said, Republicans drew these districts, redrew these South Texas districts, to try to flip these seats. And this was one of their prime targets, and we are already seeing complete and utter failure there.

萨金特:是啊,我的意思是,在这样的地方出现这种规模的崩盘令人震惊。得克萨斯州第35选区发生了什么?那是另一个。这是一个民主党把持的席位,共和党重新划分选区是希望赢下它,对吧?那里到底发生了什么?

Sargent: Yeah, I mean, a collapse of this magnitude in a place like that is striking. What’s going on in Texas’s 35th district? That’s another one. It’s a Democratic-held seat that Republicans redrew in hopes of winning, right? Like, what’s going on in that place?

安德鲁斯:是的。得克萨斯州第35选区,圣安东尼奥地区,得益于共和党的重新划分,那基本上现在是一个全新的选区。我们在那里看到的迹象依然非常、非常好。那里的民主党候选人约翰尼·加西亚是一名资深副治安官。他是一名执法人员,多年来一直是这个社区的一部分。

Andrus: Yeah. So Texas 35, San Antonio area, that is basically a completely new district now, thanks to the Republican redraw. And we are still seeing really, really great signs coming out of Texas 35. You have the Democratic candidate there, Johnny Garcia, is a longtime sheriff’s deputy. He’s a law enforcement guy who has been a part of this community for years.

我想实际上上次我们交谈时,我们聊到了我刚刚和约翰尼·加西亚一起去过南德克萨斯,我们只是在几个社区里走走。我们在一户人家停下,屋主正在清理他的小艇,准备当天下午或那个周末去钓鱼。

I think actually last time we talked, we talked about how I had actually just been down in South Texas with Johnny Garcia, and we were just walking around a couple of neighborhoods. And we stop by a house, and it’s a guy cleaning out his boat to go fishing later that afternoon or that weekend.

他对约翰尼说,我记得你在治安官办公室的样子。我这辈子从来没投过民主党的票,但这回我要投你了。

And he said to Johnny, I remember you from the sheriff’s office. I’ve never voted for a Democrat before in my life, but I’m voting for you this time.

萨金特:令人震惊的事情。您预测民主党将在南德克萨斯的哪些竞选中获胜?哪些选区?

Sargent: Striking stuff. What races do you predict Democrats will win in South Texas? Which districts?

安德鲁斯:我认为我们正在横扫南得克萨斯州的选区。这包括守住得克萨斯州第28选区,由亨利·库亚尔众议员出战,以及得克萨斯州第34选区,由维森特·冈萨雷斯众议员出战。我认为我们还将翻转得克萨斯州第15选区。你知道,鲍比·普利多是一位千载难逢的候选人,是这片社区极其强有力的候选人。

Andrus: I think we are sweeping the South Texas districts. So that includes holding on to Texas 28 with Congressman Henry Cuellar, as well as Texas 34 with Congressman Vicente Gonzalez. And I think we’re flipping Texas 15. You know, Bobby Pulido is this once-in-a-generation candidate, an incredibly strong candidate for this community.

你们刚才看到,他举办了职业生涯的最后一场演唱会,距离大选还有15天,前来庆祝鲍比·普利多的民众人山人海。南得克萨斯州的这种势头简直令人难以置信。我认为我们也将拿下得克萨斯州第35选区。整个得克萨斯州的重新划分选区,正演变成我们很长一段时间以来见过的最令人尴尬的“蠢人划区”案例之一。

You just saw, he did the last concert of his career, and just the incredible crowd that came out to celebrate Bobby Pulido 15 days out from the election. The momentum down in South Texas is just something that’s been so incredible to see. And I think we are also going to take home Texas 35. This entire Texas redistricting is shaping up to be probably one of the most embarrassing dummymanders we’ve seen in a long time.

萨金特:这么说,基本意味着民主党将赢得得克萨斯州第15、第28、第34、第35选区。那将是一场大获全胜。这就是你的预测。你预测将全胜。安德鲁斯:没错。我们将赢下所有这些选区。

Sargent: Well, that would essentially mean that Democrats are going to win Texas’s 15th, Texas’s 28th, Texas’s 34th, Texas’s 35th. That would be quite a sweep. And that’s what you’re predicting. You’re going to win all. Andrus: Yep. We are winning all of those.

萨金特:好。说说实在的。到了大选日结束时,你们预计最终能拿下多少个众议院席位?

Sargent: OK. Brass tacks. How many House seats at the end of the day, at the end of Election Day, how many do you think you’re going to end up with?

安德鲁斯:我不做那种预测。我不擅长这个。但我可以告诉你,从现在起直到11月3日,我们将为每一张选票、每一个能争取的选区,每一天全力以赴。

Andrus: I am not in the business of making those predictions. I’m bad at it. But no, I will tell you, we’re fighting every single day from now until November 3 for every single vote and every single district that we can.

萨金特:麦迪逊·安德鲁斯,如果你们横扫南得克萨斯州,那将是一件震撼性的大事。我真心希望看到那一天。非常感谢你来做客。很高兴能和你交谈。安德鲁斯:11月3日的晚上看起来会是个好夜晚。

Sargent: Madison Andrus, if you guys sweep South Texas, it’s going to be a seismic event. So I really hope to see it. Thanks so much for coming on. Really great to talk to you. Andrus: It’s shaping up to be a good night on November 3.

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