请在美东时间晚上 8 点收看众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔与克里斯·海耶斯在《All In with Chris Hayes》节目中的完整访谈，或在 ms.now 和 MS NOW 应用程序上观看直播。
Watch the full interview between Rep. Ilhan Omar and Chris Hayes on “All In with Chris Hayes” at 8 p.m. ET or stream live on ms.now and the MS NOW app.
明尼苏达州民主党籍众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔透露了上周联邦执法人员搜查她位于华盛顿特区住所的新细节，她表示此举“旨在”恐吓她。周三，这位首位进入国会的索马里裔美国人接受了 MS NOW 克里斯·海耶斯的采访，这是联邦特工作为一项正在进行的刑事调查的一部分搜查她住所以来，她首次接受采访。
Rep. Ilhan Omar revealed new details about last week’s federal raid on her home in Washington, D.C., which she said was “designed” to intimidate her. The Minnesota Democrat sat down with MS NOW’s Chris Hayes on Wednesday for her first interview since federal agents searched her residence as part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
奥马尔表示，她于 10 月 12 日从外地出差回家，只睡了 2 个半小时，就被特工“猛敲门”吵醒。这位女众议员告诉海耶斯，她的第一反应是“以为着火了”。“除非你们想吓唬人，否则不会那么早跑到别人家里来。显然这确实把我们全家都吓坏了，”奥马尔说。
Omar, who is the first Somali American member of Congress, said she had returned home from traveling and was only asleep for 2 1/2 hours before she was awakened by agents “pounding on the doors” on Oct. 12. The congresswoman told Hayes her first thought was that “something was on fire.”“You don’t show up to somebody’s house that early in the morning unless you’re trying to freak them out. And you know it obviously did freak all of us out,” Omar said.
“听起来像是紧急疏散的情况，”她补充道，“所以我们花了一段时间才弄清到底发生了什么。”奥马尔说，当她丈夫打开门时，她被出示了一份搜查令。她还表示，执法人员要求她签署一份文件，放弃宪法赋予她作为国会议员的保护。奥马尔拒绝了。
“It sounded like an urgent evacuation sort-of situation,” she added. “So it took us a while to figure out what was actually happening.”When her husband opened the door, Omar said she was presented with a warrant. She also said she was asked to sign a document waiving protections provided to her in the Constitution as a member of Congress. Omar declined.
“太无礼了。我无法理解他们为什么会认为我会签署这种东西，”她说。
“That was obnoxious. I couldn’t understand why they would think that I would sign such a thing,” she said.
奥马尔表示，这次搜查持续了四到五小时，涉及多达 25 名特工。她称，在搜查住所寻找符合搜查令规定的任何物品时，执法人员“大多表现得相当得体”。“怪事，真怪事”奥马尔说，被带走的物品包括她的手机、一部旧手机、她最小女儿的旧手机、她丈夫的笔记本以及他舅舅送给他的一台相机。她还表示，一本丈夫用来学习语言的儿童索马里语短语书也被从家中带走。
During the raid, which Omar said lasted four to five hours and involved as many as 25 agents, the authorities “mostly conducted themselves in a decent way” as they searched the home for any items in compliance with the warrant, the congresswoman said. ‘A bizarre, bizarre thing’Omar said the items they took included her phone, an old phone, her youngest daughter’s old phone, her husband’s notebooks and a camera he had received from his uncle. She also said a Somali phrase book for children, which her husband was using to learn the language, was taken from the home.
这位民主党人表示，当她被递上一份物品清单时，她感到“惊讶”。
The Democrat said she was “surprised” when she was handed a receipt for the items.
“带走17件物品，其中大约10件只是笔记本和旧手机，这真是一件怪事，非常怪的事，”她说。
“To walk away with 17 items of, like, 10 that were just notebooks and like old phones was such a bizarre, bizarre thing,” she said.
关于对奥马尔住所的搜查，司法部上周在给MS NOW的一份声明中表示，国土安全部调查局“执行了一份经司法授权的搜查令”，并称这是“正在进行的联邦刑事调查的一部分”。一名消息人士告诉MS NOW，搜查令列出的潜在违法行为涉及移民欺诈、移民程序中的虚假陈述和共谋。据CNN援引知情人士报道，调查人员正在调查奥马尔或其已故父亲在入籍过程中是否就她的年龄作出了虚假陈述。
Asked about the raid on Omar’s house, the Justice Department told MS NOW in a statement last week that Homeland Security Investigations “executed a judicially authorized search warrant” and said it was “part of an ongoing federal criminal investigation.”A source told MS NOW the warrant listed potential violations involving immigration fraud, false statements in immigration proceedings and conspiracy. According to CNN, which cites people familiar with the probe, investigators are looking into whether Omar or her late father made false statements about her age during the citizenship process.
奥马尔于1995年3月，12岁时在逃离索马里内战、在肯尼亚难民营度过四年后抵达美国。她后来于2000年，17岁时成为美国归化公民。
Omar arrived in the United States in March 1995 at the age of 12 after fleeing the civil war in Somalia and spending four years in a refugee camp in Kenya. She later became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2000 at 17.
“敲我门、搜查文件的人，手里拿着他（父亲）的文件，”奥马尔周三对海耶斯谈到父亲时说。“是他们处理了我们的手续，让我们来到美国。”虽然她说她“严肃对待”此事，但她不认为联邦政府有案可起诉她。
“The people who knocked on my door, searching for papers, literally have his papers,” Omar told Hayes of her father on Wednesday. “They are the ones who processed us to come to the United States.”While she said she takes the matter “seriously,” she doesn’t believe the federal government has a case to prosecute her.
“要起诉一个12岁孩子，指控其精明地密谋欺骗移民局以进入美国，那将是一项浩大的工程，”她说。“我相信有很多聪明的12岁孩子，但这似乎有点牵强。”特朗普的“执念”这并非奥马尔的移民身份首次受到审查。《华盛顿邮报》报道称，2019年，在唐纳德·特朗普总统的第一个任期内，一名政治任命官员曾要求移民当局查阅奥马尔的档案，以寻找任何欺诈证据。但据该报道称，美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）的调查部门——国土安全调查局（HSI）认定，没有足够的不法证据来启动全面调查。
“It would be a huge undertaking to, I suppose, indict a 12-year-old for being so cleverly conspiring to defraud immigration services to come to the United States,” she said. “I’m sure there are a lot of smart 12-year-olds, but that seems like a leap.”Trump’s ‘obsession’This isn’t the first time Omar’s immigration status has been scrutinized. The Washington Post reported that in 2019, during President Donald Trump’s first term, a political appointee asked immigration authorities to look into Omar’s records for any evidence of fraud. But Homeland Security Investigations, the investigative arm of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, determined there was insufficient evidence of wrongdoing to open a full investigation, according to the report.
奥马尔还对海耶斯表示，直到“几天前在《华盛顿邮报》的报道中看到”，她才知晓2019年的调查。“我确实听说他们打开了，也就是打开了我的移民档案，但我不知道打开调查意味着什么，也不清楚是谁打开了它，”她说。
Omar also told Hayes she did not know about the 2019 probe until she “saw it in The Washington Post reporting a couple of days ago.”“I did hear that they opened, that there was an opening of my immigration file, but I didn’t know to the extent of what the opening of my investigation meant and who opened it,” she said.
《华尔街日报》报道称，拜登政府也曾对奥马尔进行调查，但因缺乏证据而决定不予推进。
The Wall Street Journal reported the Biden administration also looked into Omar but declined to move forward due to lack of evidence.
当被问及是否认为特朗普与正在进行的针对她的调查无关时，奥马尔对海耶斯说：“绝对不是。”“这跟他有绝对的关系，”她谈到特朗普时说，并指出他第一届政府据报道曾试图调查她。
When asked if she believes Trump has nothing to do with the ongoing investigation into her, Omar told Hayes, “Absolutely not.”“He’s got everything to do with it,” she said of Trump, pointing to his first administration’s reported efforts to investigate her.
特朗普与奥马尔长期以来关系紧张、充满争议。2019年，这位总统在一系列推文中攻击奥马尔和其他三位民主党女众议员，让她们“回到”她们原本来自的国家。几天后在一次集会上，特朗普点名批评奥马尔，现场人群高呼“把她送回去”。多年来，特朗普频繁重复关于这位女众议员个人生活的未经证实的传言，包括她的移民身份，以及一个未经证实的阴谋论，即她曾与自己的兄弟结婚以规避美国法律。
Trump and Omar have had a long-standing, contentious relationship. In 2019, the president attacked Omar and three other Democratic congresswomen in a series of tweets telling them to “go back” to the countries they came from. At a rally days later, Trump criticized Omar by name as the crowd chanted “Send her back.”Over the years, Trump has frequently repeated unproven rumors about the congresswoman’s personal life, including her immigration status and an unproven conspiracy theory that she had married her brother to bypass U.S. laws.
2025年，奥马尔对《卫报》表示，她认为特朗普对她有“病态且令人毛骨悚然的痴迷”。
In 2025, Omar told The Guardian she believes Trump has an “unhealthy and creepy obsession” with her.
奥马尔对海耶斯表示，她怀疑此次突击搜查部分原因是总统在多年威胁这位女众议员后，正在兑现他的承诺。
Omar told Hayes she suspects the raid was partly the president making good on his promise after years of threatening the congresswoman.
“他们进行了大规模的媒体宣传，不断暗示我会遭遇某种不幸，”她说。“我认为，他们那些与总统及其核心团队有直接联系的右翼网红们也开始怀疑这些承诺只是空话，因此他们不得不采取行动。他们最终选择了突袭我的住所。”这位44岁、三个孩子的母亲公开谈论了自己自上任以来收到的大量死亡威胁。她告诉海斯，由于这次备受关注的突袭事件，她和家人必须搬离现在的住所。
“They’ve done this sort of full press where they kept alluding to the fact that something was going to happen to me,” she said. “And I think a lot of their right-wing influencers, who seem to have direct connection to not just the president but his orbit, I think they were starting to lose faith that these were empty promises and they had to do something. I believe to say, ‘Hey, look, we raided her house.’”The 44-year-old and mother of three has spoken openly about the surge of death threats she has received since taking office. She told Hayes that she and her family will have to move from their home due to the highly publicized raid.
“显然，我不能再继续住在那里了，”她说，“所以我们必须想办法搬到新的地方去。由于我们的住址已经被公开，再加上那些死亡威胁，让孩子们偶尔来家里拜访已经变得非常危险——因为别人可能会跟踪他们。”尽管面临这些挑战，这位国会议员表示她不会让总统的种种手段击垮自己。
“Obviously, I can’t continue to live there,” she said. “So we have to figure out where to move to because our address has been public, and with the death threats that I deal with, it’s no longer going to be feasible to be in that house and have my kids visiting off and on, having people track them.”Despite the challenges, the congresswoman said she would not let the president’s efforts break her.
“在我的宗教信仰中，我们相信上帝不会赋予我们超出我们承受能力的东西，”她说，“我认为上帝特别赋予了我承受这一切的能力。”奥马尔表示她对自己没有做错任何事充满信心，并相信正义终会得到伸张。
“In my faith teachings, we believe that God doesn’t give you more than you can handle,” she said. “I think I’m designed uniquely by God to withstand all of this.”Omar said she was “confident” in her truth that she did nothing wrong and told Hayes she believed the justice system would prevail.
“只要我继续勇敢地对抗那些欺凌者以及那些从事腐败行为的人，我就不会有问题，”她说。
“If I continue to stand up to bullies and people who are carrying out ungodly corruption, I’m going to be okay,” she said.