“我觉得我们被骗了，”一名年轻的特朗普选民说。像许多年轻男子一样，尼古拉斯·阿帕里西奥对未来就业、买房，甚至给汽车加油的担忧与日俱增。
'I feel like we got duped,' says one young Trump voter Like many young men, Nicholas Aparicio's concerns about future employment, buying a home or even putting gas in his car are mounting.
“如今组建家庭的想法感觉遥不可及，”这位20岁的年轻人对加拿大广播公司新闻说。
"The idea of starting a family feels very out of reach these days," the 20-year-old told CBC News.
阿帕里西奥是纽约州宾汉姆顿的一名政治学专业学生，他说自己在2024年投票支持唐纳德·特朗普，因为他相信这位总统会改善经济和他自己的前景。
Aparicio, a political science student in Binghamton, N.Y., says he voted for Donald Trump in 2024 because he believed the president would improve the economy and his own prospects.
“他那么平易近人，又是个娱乐人物，有他站在你这边感觉很好。就像，那是我的人。他不像我们，因为他是亿万富翁，但他愿意与我们共情，”阿帕里西奥说。“他会为我们而战。”
"The fact that he was so personable and he was this entertainer, it felt good to have him in your corner. Like, that's my guy. He's not like us, because he's a billionaire, but he's willing to empathize with us," Aparicio said. "He's going to fight for us."
阿帕里西奥现在的态度是：“我觉得我们被骗了。”虽然阿帕里西奥是宾汉姆顿分校大学生共和党俱乐部的主席，但他对该党已经如此失望，以至于不确定自己是否会参加下周的中期选举。
Aparicio's attitude now: "I feel like we got duped." While Aparicio is the president of the College of Republicans Binghamton Chapter, he's so disillusioned with the party that he’s not sure he will even vote in next week’s midterms.
尼古拉斯·阿帕里西奥，一名居住在纽约州宾汉姆顿的政治学专业学生，在2024年投票支持唐纳德·特朗普，因为他相信这位总统会改善经济和他自己的前景。阿帕里西奥现在的想法不同了。（严军/加拿大广播公司）多年来，许多年轻男性似乎都全力支持特朗普总统及其“让美国再次伟大”纲领。许多受欢迎的右翼或“男性空间”播客主持人，如乔·罗根和塔克·卡尔森，也是如此，他们帮助在2024年大选前传播特朗普的信息。这些群体共同帮助他连任。
Nick Aparicio, a political science student living in Binghamton, N.Y., voted for Donald Trump in 2024 because he believed the president would improve the economy and his own prospects. Aparicio thinks differently now. (Yanjun Li/CBC) For years, it felt like many young men were all in on President Trump and his Make America Great Again platform. So were many popular right-leaning or "manosphere" podcasters, like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, who helped spread Trump’s message in the run-up to the 2024 election. Together, these groups helped get him re-elected.
但年轻男性对特朗普越来越反感，那些播客主持人也在疏远他——专家表示，这一趋势可能会在中期选举中左右众议院和潜在的参议院席位。
But young men are increasingly turned off by Trump, and those podcasters are distancing themselves, too — a trend that experts say could swing House and potential Senate seats in the midterms.
“目前，年轻人中民主党领先共和党26个百分点，”哈佛大学民意研究所民调主任约翰·德拉沃尔佩说。
"At this point, Democrats have a 26-point lead on Republicans amongst younger people," said John Della Volpe, director of polling at the Harvard Institute.
中期选举的结果在很大程度上取决于年轻男性。德拉·沃尔佩最近的一项民调发现，只有9%的年轻美国人认为国家正走在正确轨道上，而69%的人表示对未来感到恐惧。同一项民调发现，只有31%的年轻男性表示他们肯定会投票。
Midterms outcome rests largely on young men Della Volpe’s recent poll found just nine per cent of young Americans believe the country is on the right track, while 69 per cent say they're fearful about the future. The same poll found only 31 per cent of young men said they would definitely vote.
“年轻男性绝对帮助特朗普赢得了上一次选举，如果他们不出来参加中期选举投票，将会改变选举结果。”美国男孩与男性研究所主任大卫·萨萨基表示，许多Z世代男性是罗根、斯蒂文·巴特利特和单口喜剧演员安德鲁·舒尔茨等播客主持人的忠实听众。
"Young men absolutely helped Trump win in the last election and if they don’t come out and vote in these midterms, it will change the outcome." David Sasaki, a director at the American Institute for Boys and Men, says that many Gen Z men are avid listeners of podcasters like Rogan, Steven Bartlett and standup comedian Andrew Schulz.
“我觉得[年轻男性]觉得有人在跟他们说话，而不仅仅是谈论他们。使用他们使用的语言，使用他们理解的文化引用和笑话，非常有共鸣，”萨萨基说。
"I think that [young men] feel that they are being spoken to, not just about. It's using language that they use, it's using cultural references and jokes they understand, it’s very relatable," Sasaki said.
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Cross Country Checkup is asking: How will the U.S. midterm elections affect you? What questions do you have? Leave your comment here and we may read it or call you back for this Sunday's show.
他说，“真实性，或者至少是被感知到的真实性，是当今政治的货币。”他还说，播客填补了一些年轻男性的空白。
He said that "authenticity, or at least perceived authenticity, is the currency of politics these days." He also said that podcasters fill a void in some young men.
“他们中的许多人在现实生活中没有导师、榜样或男性成年人陪伴成长，而是在网上寻找他们，”萨萨基说。“他们对这些选民有很大影响，而这些选民在选举日非常重要。”阿帕里西奥表示，虽然他并不……2024年，罗根、舒尔茨和西奥·冯都在自己的节目中主持了特朗普，并谈论了MAGA政治——一般来说，这是反建制、反移民和反外国纠缠的政治——其方式似乎是在支持它。但情况正在改变。
"A lot of [them] are not growing up with mentors, role models or male adults in their real life, and they’re finding them online," Sasaki said. "They have a lot of influence over these voters, who matter a lot come election day." Aparicio says while he doesn’t In 2024, Rogan, Schulz and Theo Von all hosted Donald Trump on their shows and spoke about MAGA politics — which is, generally speaking, anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-foreign entanglements — in a way that seemed to endorse it. But that's changing.
去年，舒尔茨在他的播客《旗帜》节目中表示，他后悔投了特朗普的票。四月，前福克斯新闻主持人、现主持播客《塔克·卡尔森秀》的卡尔森也表示，他后悔在2024年支持特朗普，并说“我为误导人们而道歉”，并且这件事将让他“备受折磨”。
Last year, Schulz said on his podcast Flagrant that he regretted voting for Trump. In April, Carlson, the former Fox News personality and now host of the podcast The Tucker Carlson Show, also expressed regret at endorsing Trump in 2024, saying "I’m sorry for misleading people" and that he will be "tormented" by it.
与此同时，仍是美国最受欢迎的播客主持人的罗根，已两次公开批评特朗普：一次是关于白宫今年夏天举办UFC格斗赛事，另一次是关于伊朗战争。
Meanwhile, Rogan — still the most popular podcaster in the U.S. — has publicly criticized Trump twice: over the White House hosting a UFC fight this summer and the war in Iran.
喜剧演员兼播客主持人西奥·冯，戴着眼镜，于2025年1月20日在美国国会山参加特朗普总统第二次就职典礼前抵达。此后，冯对总统的批评更多了。
Comedian and podcaster Theo Von, in glasses, arrives prior to the second inauguration of President Donald Trump at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 20, 2025. Since then, Von has been more critical of the president.
CBC联系了罗根、冯、舒尔茨和卡尔森征求评论，但未在刊发前收到回复。
CBC reached out to Rogan, Von, Schulz and Carlson for comment but did not hear back in time for publication.
右倾播客主持人提及特朗普的次数减少 为了量化保守派播客主持人对特朗普的失望情绪，《华尔街日报》研究了罗根和本·夏皮罗等播客主持人自2024年总统大选前夕以来提及特朗普的频率。据该报报道，提及特朗普的次数下降了70%。
Right-leaning podcasters mentioning Trump less In an effort to quantify conservative podcasters' disenchantment with Trump, The Wall Street Journal studied how often podcasters such as Rogan and Ben Shapiro have referred to him since the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election. According to the Journal’s reporting, mentions of Trump have dropped 70 per cent.
“主要有两次大幅下降：一次是在选举后，之后持续下降，然后在伊朗战争开始后又下降了一次，”《华尔街日报》记者尼尔·梅塔对CBC新闻表示。
"There were two main plunges: one was right after the election, after which it steadily dropped, and then it dipped again after the Iran war started," Wall Street Journal reporter Neil Mehta told CBC News.
《华尔街日报》记者尼尔·梅塔研究了右倾播客主持人自特朗普第二次当选总统以来如何报道他。（CBC）“播客主持人和内容创作者是年轻人获取新闻的主要来源。但他们也优先考虑被视为真实和真诚——这就是他们的卖点，”梅塔说。对于萨萨基来说，一些关键时刻表明播客主持人正在远离特朗普。
Wall Street Journal reporter Neil Mehta has studied how right-leaning podcasters have covered Donald Trump since he was elected president a second time. (CBC) "Podcasters and content creators are the predominant source of news for young people. But they also prioritize being seen as real and authentic — that’s the sell," Mehta said. For Sasaki, a number of pivotal moments demonstrate the podcasters' shift away from Trump.
10月初，主持《过去周末》播客的西奥·冯采访了纽约左倾市长佐赫兰·马姆达尼。他们讨论了社会主义、可负担性和不平等问题。
In early October, Theo Von, who hosts This Past Weekend, interviewed New York's left-leaning Mayor Zohran Mamdani. They discussed socialism, affordability and inequality.
“这让我看到了我们早已能看到的……对话确实在发生变化，”佐佐木说。“在2024年大选前夕，[冯]请来了特朗普，他显得非常平易近人。随后马姆达尼也上了该节目，显得更加平易近人。”佐佐木还指出，CBS新闻的选民出口民调数据显示，大约有6万名2024年投给特朗普的美国选民，在2025年也投给了马姆达尼。
"This to me showed what we already could see … that the conversation was really changing," said Sasaki. "In the lead-up to the 2024 election, [Von] had Trump on, who appeared very relatable. And then Mamdani went on the show and appeared even more relatable." Sasaki also pointed to CBS News exit polling data that showed roughly 60,000 Americans who voted for Trump in 2024 also voted for Mamdani in 2025.
“特朗普及其竞选团队在2024年所做的，是去到年轻男性所在的空间，用他们能理解的口语和文化引用与他们交谈，并说：‘我知道你们在挣扎，我看到了你们的困境，我们会采取行动，’”佐佐木说。
"What Trump and that campaign was able to do in 2024 was go to the spaces where young men were, speak to them in their vernacular with cultural references that they relate to, and say, ‘I know that you’re struggling, I see your struggles and we’re going to do something about it,’" Sasaki said.
但“认为这个年轻男性群体都全力支持MAGA且不会转向，将是判断上的错误。”
But "assuming this demographic of young men is all in on MAGA and can’t swing [away] would be an error in judgment."
特朗普与年轻男性格格不入：专家阿帕里西奥表示，若年轻男性今年中期选举不投票，“我想强调，共和党不应将年轻男性视为理所当然。”播客主持人乔·罗根今年已两次公开批评特朗普，包括称伊朗战争是“巨大的泥潭”，并非其MAGA支持者所投票支持的内容。（《乔·罗根秀》/YouTube）最终，佐佐木认为，特朗普可能忽略了2026年年轻男性真正关心的问题。
Trump out of step with young men: expert Aparicio said that by potentially not voting in this year's midterms, "I want to emphasize the point that young men should not be taken for granted by the Republicans." Podcaster Joe Rogan has publicly criticized Donald Trump twice this year, including calling the war in Iran a 'giant quagmire' and not what his MAGA followers voted for. (The Joe Rogan Show/YouTube) Ultimately, Sasaki believes Trump may be missing what young men in 2026 really care about.
“这个群体比以往任何时候都更担心经济。他们感到工作保障极低，许多人无法想象自己能买得起房，甚至生活在贫困线以下，”他说。
"This demographic is more worried than ever about the economy. They feel very little job security, many can’t imagine ever buying a home and are even living below the poverty line," he said.
阿帕里西奥表示，特朗普在2024年获胜后不久就开始显得不可信。
Aparicio says Trump began looking untrustworthy shortly after he won in 2024.
“第一个真正迹象是，他竞选时承诺会公开爱泼斯坦档案，但上任后却开始对支持者进行煤气灯操纵，声称这些档案不存在，”他说。
"The first real sign was him campaigning that he would release the Epstein files and then began gaslighting his followers [when he took office] and saying they don't exist," he said.
他还认为经济已变得更糟，美国参与伊朗战争以及支持以色列在加沙的行动，正让美国人处境更加艰难。
He also believes the economy has gotten worse and that the U.S. involvement in the war in Iran and its endorsement of Israel's actions in Gaza are making things harder for Americans.
“希望如果我努力工作，就能买得起房子并组建家庭，”阿帕里西奥说。“照目前的情况，我对此真的不确定。”艾利·格拉斯纳和莉莉-安妮·库西报道
"Hopefully if I work hard, I will be able to afford a home and raise a family," Aparicio said. "The way things are going, I really don’t feel sure about that." With files from Eli Glasner and Lillie-Anne Cousee