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查尔斯国王加勒比之行既受欢呼也遭批评King Charles Meets Both Joy and Criticism on Caribbean Tour

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查尔斯三世加勒比海之行迎来欢呼与批评在国王访问三个前殖民地期间,许多人参加了庆祝游行和活动。另一些人表示,英国政府应为奴隶制造成的伤害赎罪。

King Charles Meets Both Joy and Criticism on Caribbean Tour During the king’s visits to three former colonies, many people came out for celebratory parades and events. Others said the British state needed to atone for slavery’s toll.

周五,南美国家圭亚那的100多名居民排队在一处原住民文化遗址外,渴望一睹查尔斯三世的风采,他是英国国家元首,英国曾统治该国直至近60年前独立。有些人带着年幼的孩子。

More than 100 residents of the South American nation of Guyana lined up outside an Indigenous cultural site on Friday, eager for a glimpse of King Charles III, the figurehead of a British state that ruled here until independence almost 60 years ago. Some brought their small children.

在附近烈日下,约两打抗议者举着牌子,要求英国为18世纪和19世纪数百万被贩卖跨大西洋的非洲奴隶支付赔偿并道歉。他们高声喊着:“他不是我们的国王!”查尔斯正对英国三个前殖民地进行为期七天的访问,他所在国家的奴隶制历史——以及他和英国政府应该对此说什么或做什么——在曾经辽阔的帝国范围内继续引发分歧。

Standing nearby in the searing sun, about two dozen protesters waved signs demanding that Britain pay reparations and apologize for the millions of enslaved Africans who were trafficked across the Atlantic in the 1700s and 1800s. They chanted loudly: “Not our king!”As Charles makes a seven-day visit to three of Britain’s former colonies, his country’s history of slavery — and what he and the British government should say or do about it — continues to divide opinion across the once-sprawling empire.

“他们买奴隶,卖奴隶,从奴隶制中获利,然后支付数百万美元给奴隶主,而奴隶及其后代一无所得,”埃尔顿·坎贝尔说,指的是英国在1830年代通过的一项立法,该立法在英国禁止奴隶制后,为解放奴隶向奴隶主提供了补偿。

“They bought slaves, sold slaves and made money from slavery and then paid the slave owners millions of dollars and the slaves and their descendants got nothing,” said Elton Campbell, referring to British legislation passed in the 1830s that compensated slave owners for the freeing of slaves after the country outlawed the practice.

76岁的保险代理人坎贝尔先生在圭亚那首都补充道:“让国王向全国和全世界的黑人人民解释这一点吧。”

Mr. Campbell, a 76-year-old insurance agent in Guyana’s capital, added, “Let the king explain that to the nation and our Black people around the world.”

周五,英国首相安迪·伯纳姆首次表示,政府愿意就该国在奴隶贸易中的角色正式道歉,他将其描述为“残酷而野蛮”。

For the first time on Friday, Prime Minister Andy Burnham of Britain said the government was open to offering a formal apology for the country’s role in the slave trade, which he described as “brutal and barbaric.”

但他拒绝了向奴隶后代支付赔偿金的要求,在一篇评论文章中写道:“我不认为今天的英国人应对历史上发生的、无论多么恶劣的错误承担责任,那些错误发生在另一个时代、在不同的法律下,而且他们本人并未参与其中。”

But he rejected demands to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, writing in an opinion article: “I do not think that British people today can be held liable for historical wrongs, however heinous, that happened in a different age under different laws and in which they played no personal part.”

伯纳姆和国王都预计将在周二于安提瓜举行的英联邦领导人会议上发表讲话,但尚不清楚他们将说什么。在加勒比海之行开始时,查尔斯表示:“我们承认过去的巨大苦难,无论是在这些岛屿上还是在其他地方,这是应当的。”在巴哈马,国王的活动包括参加名为“詹卡努”的狂欢节游行跳舞,一些居民热烈欢迎他作为该国正式元首的角色。

Mr. Burnham and the king are both scheduled to address leaders of the Commonwealth at a gathering in Antigua on Tuesday, though it is not clear what they will say. At the start of his Caribbean tour, Charles said that “it is only right that we should acknowledge the great suffering of the past, in these islands and beyond.”In the Bahamas, where the king’s events included dancing in a carnival parade known as the Junkanoo, some residents warmly welcomed his role as their country’s official head of state.

“无论你个人对王室有何看法,我们仍然是英联邦成员,”52岁的玛格丽特·拉姆辛说,她指的是这个由56个国家组成的自愿组织,其中大多数是前英国殖民地。

“Whatever you feel about the royals personally, we are still members of the Commonwealth,” said Margaret Ramsingh, 52, referring to the voluntary organization of 56 nations, most of which were former British colonies.

“我理解人们关于赔偿金的说法,”拉姆辛女士上周在一次采访中说,“但总有一天我们必须向前看。”在旅行期间,国王一直没有回避他称之为英国过去“污点”的问题。周五在圭亚那,他参观了1823年德梅拉拉奴隶起义的遗址,当时殖民军队残酷镇压了数千名被奴役的男女发起的起义,造成数百人死亡。

“I understand what people are saying about reparations,” Ms. Ramsingh said in an interview last week, “but at some point in time we have to move forward.”During his trip, the king has not tried to dodge the issue of what he has called a “dark stain” on Britain’s past. In Guyana on Friday, he visited the site of the Demerara Slave Rebellion of 1823, where colonial forces brutally crushed a rebellion by thousands of enslaved men and women, killing hundreds.

如果白金汉宫官员曾希望查尔斯七天行程中的部分时间也能聚焦气候变化和自然保护等问题——这些问题长期以来一直是国王的优先事项——那么他们可能会对持续不断的赔偿讨论感到失望。

If Buckingham Palace officials had hoped that some of his seven-day trip could also be focused on issues like climate change and nature conservation — issues that have long been priorities for the king — they may have been disappointed by the persistent conversations about reparations.

就在查尔斯于周四与圭亚那总统穆罕默德·伊夫兰·阿里会面几小时前,阿里先生在一次采访中表示,为奴隶制道歉将是“下一步”。巴巴多斯总理米娅·莫特利周六表示,欢迎伯纳姆先生对道歉持开放态度。但她并未退缩于赔偿要求。

Just hours before Charles met with Mohammed Ifraan Ali, the president of Guyana, on Thursday, Mr. Ali said in an interview that an apology for slavery would be “the next step” to be taken. Mia Mottley, the prime minister of Barbados, said Saturday that Mr. Burnham’s openness to an apology was welcomed. But she did not back away from demands for reparations.

“特别是在赔偿问题上,我们的观点存在分歧,我们会坦诚而尊重地表达出来,”她在一份声明中写道。

“On reparations in particular, our views differ, and we will say so plainly and respectfully,” she wrote in a statement.

对巴哈马、圭亚那和安提瓜居民的采访显示,他们渴望讨论英国奴隶贸易、君主制以及政府在为英国历史弥补过错方面所扮演的角色。

Interviews with residents of the Bahamas, Guyana and Antigua revealed an eagerness to discuss the topic of the British slave trade, the monarchy and the government’s role in making amends for Britain’s history.

51岁的安提瓜保险经理达伦·马修·沃德表示,国王访问该岛是一件好事,可能有助于为该国带来急需的投资。但他表示,关于奴隶制遗产的讨论很重要。

Daren Matthew Ward, 51, an insurance manager in Antigua, said the king’s visit to the island was a positive thing and could help bring much-needed investment to the country. But he said the discussions about the legacy of slavery are important.

“在场的没有人,你知道,对多年前发生的罪行负有罪责或共谋,”沃德先生说。“就我们而言,我们认为,由于奴隶贸易期间发生的事情,我们的社会中存在某些固有的历史劣势。这些不公正和失衡需要以某种方式得到解决。”这个人口不足10万人的国家中,其他人对他们期待君主做什么则更加直言不讳。

“Nobody present is, you know, guilty of or complicit in the crime that took place many years ago,” Mr. Ward said. “On our end, we’re saying there are certain historical disadvantages that are inherent in our societies as a result of what happened during the slave trade. And those injustices and imbalances need to be addressed in some way.”Others in the country of just under 100,000 people were more blunt about what they expect from their monarch.

“说到底,我们为什么要试图给我们的前奴隶主留下好印象?”39岁的安提瓜信息技术技术人员圣·克莱尔·亨利问道。“这些人并非真正关心过我们。他承认过去发生了可怕的事情。好吧,承认吧。道歉,做点什么。付给我们一些东西。”在国王访问巴哈马的第一站,国王在一场青年集会上发表讲话,台阶座位上坐满了为君主欢呼雀跃的小学生。

“At the end of the day, why are we trying to impress our former slave masters?” asked St. Claire Henry, 39, an IT technician in Antigua. “These are not people that genuinely cared for us. He acknowledged that grave things were done in the past. OK, acknowledge it. Say sorry, do something. Pay us something.”At the king’s first stop in the Bahamas, the king delivered a speech at a youth rally, in front of bleachers filled with young schoolchildren cheering wildly for the monarch.

在拿骚的议会广场,街道两旁站满了超过1000人,许多人高举iPhone拍摄皇家照片。活动现场气氛欢乐而兴奋,几乎看不到要求国王道歉或支付赔偿的抗议者。

And at Parliament Square in Nassau, the streets were lined with more than 1,000 people, many of them holding their iPhones up high to snap a royal photo. The mood at the event was joyous and excited, with little evidence of protesters demanding an apology or reparations from the king.

但这种精心安排的活动很少能反映全部意见,尤其是在奴隶制等敏感话题上。

But such carefully produced events rarely capture the full range of opinions, especially on sensitive topics like slavery.

56岁的巴哈马长岛退休中学校长恩达尔·阿德利表示,应由英国政府为奴隶制承担责任。

Endal Adderley, 56, a retired secondary school principal on Long Island in the Bahamas, said it is the British government that should take responsibility for slavery.

“被剥夺选举权、失去一切、甚至失去姓名和语言的黑人,他们来到这里,幸存下来,建立了社区,建立了社会,现在正在建设国家,”阿德利先生说。“他们所要求的不过是一些正义,以及现金或实物形式的经济赔偿,我完全支持这一点。”

“The Black people who were disenfranchised, who had lost all they had, even lost their names, their languages, they came over, they survived, they built communities, they built societies, they now are building nations,” Mr. Adderley said. “All they’re asking for is some justice and some economic reparations in cash or in kind, and I fully endorse that.”

他补充道:“在加勒比地区,我看不出我们还有任何理由向国王鞠躬。”

He added: “In the Caribbean, I don’t see any reason for us to be bowing down to a king anymore.”

70岁的乔伊·伯罗斯是巴哈马一代人中的一员,她记得联合王旗曾飘扬在群岛上空,小学生曾唱《上帝保佑女王》。她说,她认为巴哈马已经向前发展,无需再谈论已经发生的事情。

Joy Burrows, 70, is a part of the generation in the Bahamas that remembers a time when the Union Jack flew over the archipelago and schoolchildren sang “God Save the Queen.”She said she believes the Bahamas has moved on and there is no need to address what has already happened.

“我认为这是历史的一部分,”她说,“我们无法改变历史或已经发生的事情。”迈克尔·D·希尔(Michael D. Shear)是《纽约时报》的首席英国记者,报道英国政治和文化以及世界各地的外交。

“I think that this is a part of history,” she said, “and we can’t change history or what has happened.”Michael D. Shear is the chief U.K. correspondent for The New York Times, covering British politics and culture and diplomacy around the world.

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